Revelation Chap.12:13-17.... Catholic interpretation thereof

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It’s Mary, pursued by Christ hating Romans/Jews…who the Apostle John transports out of Jerusalem to Asia Minor for a time, times & a half. Then, the Roman & Anti-Christian Jews make war on the early 1st century Churches.

What is the River spoken of here ?
 
From the Haydock Commentary:

"Ver. 14. There were given to the woman two wings of a great eagle. By these two wings, some understand the love of God, and the fear of offending him; others, piety, prudence, &c. (Witham) — The Church, on account of the severe pressure of the persecution, obtained from the Almighty a special protection and assistance. (Pastorini)

Ver. 15. The serpent (the dragon, the devil) came out of his mouth, &c. He endeavoured to destroy the Christian religion; but the earth, that is, the princes of the earth, as God was pleased to turn their hearts, helped to turn away the persecutions. (Witham) — As a last effort, the devil raises a more bloody persecution than was ever known before. See Eusebius, History of the Church.

Ver. 16. And the earth helped the woman. A prince of the earth, Constantine, came to the succour of the Church, and caused the persecution to cease."
 
From the Haydock Commentary:

"Ver. 14. There were given to the woman two wings of a great eagle. By these two wings, some understand the love of God, and the fear of offending him; others, piety, prudence, &c. (Witham) — The Church, on account of the severe pressure of the persecution, obtained from the Almighty a special protection and assistance. (Pastorini)

Ver. 15. The serpent (the dragon, the devil) came out of his mouth, &c. He endeavoured to destroy the Christian religion; but the earth, that is, the princes of the earth, as God was pleased to turn their hearts, helped to turn away the persecutions. (Witham) — As a last effort, the devil raises a more bloody persecution than was ever known before. See Eusebius, History of the Church.

Ver. 16. And the earth helped the woman. A prince of the earth, Constantine, came to the succour of the Church, and caused the persecution to cease."
Could not the Eagle refer to John the Apostle, known by this symbol, and the author of this book ?
And, what could the River be … that pursues Mary ?
 
Could not the Eagle refer to John the Apostle, known by this symbol, and the author of this book ?
And, what could the River be … that pursues Mary ?
Would have to consult with some other commentaries on that one. Odd that it was not addressed.
 
Would have to consult with some other commentaries on that one. Odd that it was not addressed.
John wrote in coded language. He of all mankind …was the protector of Mary.
Was he aware at the time he wrote Revelation that his symbol was the Eagle ? If he was, then it’s he that protected her, by transporting Mary out of the chaos of Jerusalem…to Antioch, as I recall.
 
I put together a concise exposition on chapter 12 in where I tie it in with the Gospel accounts of the Nativity. Here it is

THE NATIVITY OF CHRIST
By John Litteral


In Revelation 11:19-12:1 John sees a vision of the Blessed Virgin Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant and Queen of Heaven. And while describing that, he recalls some details about the Blessed Mother and the time when she was to give birth to the Lord.

First, John says, 12:2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. Some Catholic theologians have avoided interpreting this as Mary because according to Catholic Tradition Mary was preserved from original sin (CCC 491) and did not suffer the pain of child birth, which became a curse at the Fall in Genesis (Gen 3:16). But Mary was not suffering from physical pain here, but emotional pain. Why was she in such emotional stress and pain? Two verses down is the answer, “*And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth *(v.4).” It is understandable why Mary was in anguish because she had all the powers of evil waiting to kill her Son. (John Paul II MULIERIS DIGNITATEM 30) For Scripture also says, “And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had borne the male child.” (v13) Satan being thrown down to earth is figurative of him falling from heavenly rank to an earthly rank, no longer having his great angelic status. (Oecumenius) The Incarnation of the Lord was just the beginning of Satan’s great fall, but the Crucifixion brought it more fully. The Lord mentions the fall of Satan’s rank when He said, “I was watching as Satan fell like lightning from heaven." (Lk 10:18)

So, at the birth of Christ, Satan is in the midst waiting to kill the baby Jesus, and Mary knows that the presence of evil is near, and that the Devil is going to make a great effort to prevent the Savior of the world from making it past childhood. The Devil, though close enough to have Mary very stressed in the stable where the Lord was born, he is not able to harm the Lord himself. The presence of so many heavenly angels in around Bethlehem was likely a deterrent to Satan, so Satan plots to have the Lord killed by the hands of Herod. He stirs up Herod so that he would be “in a furious rage” (Mt. 2:16) in order to try to kill the child Jesus.

As Satan plots to have the Lord killed by laying upon the heart of Herod to do so, “an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, "**Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there till I tell you; for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.” (Mt. 2:13) This is what St. John was talking about when he said, “The woman was given the two wings of the great eagle that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.” (Rev. 12:14) Mary was given two wings, that is reference to the angel or his message that led her and the Holy Family’s flee to Egypt for three and a half years, as they “remained there until the death of Herod.” (Mt. 2:15)

As they were safe in Egypt, Herod “sent and killed all the male children in Bethlehem and in all that region who were two years old or under, according to the time which he had ascertained from the magi.” (Mt. 2:16) This is what St. John meant in Revelation 12:15-16, “The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth.” The serpent, that is Satan, through the hands of Herod poured forth water, which is symbolic language for danger (see Ps 18:16). The earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river means that those who suffered the great loss from the slaying of the children took that trial instead of Mary and Jesus, “Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah: 18 "A voice was heard in Ramah, wailing and loud lamentation, Rachel weeping for her children; she refused to be consoled, because they were no more (Matt. 2:17-18).”

The Devil was not successful in killing the child Jesus, so he “was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.” (Rev. 12:17) In other words, the Devil has set out to attack all those who follow Jesus. People who follow Jesus are considered to be the offspring of the Blessed Mother Mary because Jesus gave us his Mother when he said while on the cross to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother! (John 19:26-27)” The Devil has been behind all the persecution that Christians have suffered, and that war will continue until the Lord comes again.
 
I put together a concise exposition on chapter 12 in where I tie it in with the Gospel accounts of the Nativity. Here it is

THE NATIVITY OF CHRIST
By John Litteral


In Revelation 11:19-12:1 John sees a vision of the Blessed Virgin Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant and Queen of Heaven. And while describing that, he recalls some details about the Blessed Mother and the time when she was to give birth to the Lord.

First, John says, 12:2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. Some Catholic theologians have avoided interpreting this as Mary because according to Catholic Tradition Mary was preserved from original sin (CCC 491) and did not suffer the pain of child birth, which became a curse at the Fall in Genesis (Gen 3:16). But Mary was not suffering from physical pain here, but emotional pain. Why was she in such emotional stress and pain? Two verses down is the answer, “*And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth *(v.4).” It is understandable why Mary was in anguish because she had all the powers of evil waiting to kill her Son. (John Paul II MULIERIS DIGNITATEM 30) For Scripture also says, “And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had borne the male child.” (v13) Satan being thrown down to earth is figurative of him falling from heavenly rank to an earthly rank, no longer having his great angelic status. (Oecumenius) The Incarnation of the Lord was just the beginning of Satan’s great fall, but the Crucifixion brought it more fully. The Lord mentions the fall of Satan’s rank when He said, “I was watching as Satan fell like lightning from heaven." (Lk 10:18)

So, at the birth of Christ, Satan is in the midst waiting to kill the baby Jesus, and Mary knows that the presence of evil is near, and that the Devil is going to make a great effort to prevent the Savior of the world from making it past childhood. The Devil, though close enough to have Mary very stressed in the stable where the Lord was born, he is not able to harm the Lord himself. The presence of so many heavenly angels in around Bethlehem was likely a deterrent to Satan, so Satan plots to have the Lord killed by the hands of Herod. He stirs up Herod so that he would be “in a furious rage” (Mt. 2:16) in order to try to kill the child Jesus.

As Satan plots to have the Lord killed by laying upon the heart of Herod to do so, “an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, "**Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there till I tell you; for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.” (Mt. 2:13) This is what St. John was talking about when he said, “The woman was given the two wings of the great eagle that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.” (Rev. 12:14) Mary was given two wings, that is reference to the angel or his message that led her and the Holy Family’s flee to Egypt for three and a half years, as they “remained there until the death of Herod.” (Mt. 2:15)

As they were safe in Egypt, Herod “sent and killed all the male children in Bethlehem and in all that region who were two years old or under, according to the time which he had ascertained from the magi.” (Mt. 2:16) This is what St. John meant in Revelation 12:15-16, “The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth.” The serpent, that is Satan, through the hands of Herod poured forth water, which is symbolic language for danger (see Ps 18:16). The earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river means that those who suffered the great loss from the slaying of the children took that trial instead of Mary and Jesus, “Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah: 18 "A voice was heard in Ramah, wailing and loud lamentation, Rachel weeping for her children; she refused to be consoled, because they were no more (Matt. 2:17-18).”

The Devil was not successful in killing the child Jesus, so he “was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.” (Rev. 12:17) In other words, the Devil has set out to attack all those who follow Jesus. People who follow Jesus are considered to be the offspring of the Blessed Mother Mary because Jesus gave us his Mother when he said while on the cross to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother! (John 19:26-27)” The Devil has been behind all the persecution that Christians have suffered, and that war will continue until the Lord comes again.
Excellent synopsis of events !! I do think John is still talking of early Egypt events in the later parts of chapter … and not Mary’s escape from Jews & Romans hunting for her in the
later days.

Also, it looks like Irenaeus in 160 AD was the first to propose the 4 symbols from Ezekiel Chapter . 1 … were the 4 Gospel Evangelists …and he thought Mark was the Eagle…later, Jerome made its connection to John .
 
Excellent synopsis of events !! I do think John is still talking of early Egypt events in the later parts of chapter … and not Mary’s escape from Jews & Romans hunting for her in the
later days.

Also, it looks like Irenaeus in 160 AD was the first to propose the 4 symbols from Ezekiel Chapter . 1 … were the 4 Gospel Evangelists …and he thought Mark was the Eagle…later, Jerome made its connection to John .
Revelation has been interpreted many ways by the greatest minds of the Church, so I am not dogmatic about one interpretation. As for the eagle, that passage in Rev 4 has been understood by great commentators as the 4 Gospel writers. I dont think most of those commentators think that the eagle in chapter 4 is the same as the mentioning of eagle in chapter 12. Mainly because the one in chapter 12 is referring to wings like an eagle.

I am revising an expostion on Revelation for the Aquinas Study Bible, I am providing a lot of commentary from the commentaries on Revalation that were done by St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Albert the Great, and Hugh of St. Cher. I am translating those portions that I am adding to the revision so its taking time but it will be very worthwhile.
 
The river is generally associated with the Gentile peoples who are allied with paganism or the Antichrist. Jeremiah 15:13 speaks of “many waters” in this sense, and the Harlot sits on “many waters.” Also, the Song of Songs says that “many waters” cannot quench love.

Naturally, this isn’t always a negative sense; Jesus in Revelation speaks in a voice like “many waters” because He is going to save the Gentile peoples.
 
It’s Mary, pursued by Christ hating Romans/Jews…who the Apostle John transports out of Jerusalem to Asia Minor for a time, times & a half. Then, the Roman & Anti-Christian Jews make war on the early 1st century Churches.

What is the River spoken of here ?
…I don’t mean to disagree… but have you considered that the Virgin Mary was not seen as a threat by the Jews or the Romans and that the pursuit of the Church was localized to the religious Jews and that only once the Church became a visible agent that threatened Roman theocracy did Christ’s Followers began to feel the persecution on a grand scale?

I’m not a linguist nor historian, but were women in Jewish society (and their contemporaries) basically not seen as a none persons… almost an invisible element outside of their roles as daughters, sisters, wives, and mothers? (gathered from the depiction on movies/shows)

…further, I call to memory:
14 So Joseph got up and, taking the child and his mother with him, left that night for Egypt, 15 where he stayed until Herod was dead. This was to fulfil what the Lord had spoken through the prophet: I called my son out of Egypt. (St. Mattew 2:14-15)
…so the Virgin Mary and the Child were secured from the ancient dragon’s assault as the rivers of sand hid the Woman who was about to Give Birth… Egypt could also be the eagle’s wings since its coat of arms brandishes a golden eagle ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Egypt )… and the time… could that not be three and a half years that it took for Herod to die and the Child Jesus to be able to return to Israel?

Maran atha!

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