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Read Scott Hahn’s book THE LAMB’S SUPPER. It is, indeed, a ‘revelation’.👍
I own that book and it is indeed informative!!! He really touches on the main points and puts it all in terms most people can understand! I HIGHLY reccommend it!!!😃
 
There is nothing ‘hidden’ in John’s ‘book’ of Revelations. Everything is explained.
What you have to learn.Sorry but I can not disagree more.Why do you think there is so many versions .
as for the catholic mass, I am not touching that ,and I am catholic.walt2000
Scott Hahn is a brilliant man who has studied Revelation in great depth so that book should give you a pretty balanced understanding. Man! If only I could Study under him!!! WOW!!
 
let me see .am I catholic,let me count the ways.
1. I was born catholic.
2.I was baptized catholic.
3.I was confirmed catholic.
4.I took four years of their catholic teaching.
5. I was married in a catholic cathedral.that holds at lest 3000 or more people .
I thought I would through this in (,Every thing was coved In white,with a catholic priest,on a Catholic alter,not behind the alter, we were married with a catholic priest doing a solom high mass.that lasted three hours, or more,when we got married It was on a September rainy day ,but when we were knelling down at the alter,the sun came out, and it was so bright on us that you could see ,and count the dust particles floating in the air.around us)I thought I would through that in ,because that might make me catholic )then when we got out It was sill raining .I married a catholic woman, she to took a catholic training course.doe’s that make me catholic?I have a mausoleum in a Catholic cemetery. Made of marble.does that make me catholic? I spent over 35 years studying Revelations at lest 10 hours a day, does that qualify me as catholic?Did I waste 68 years of my time ? I am beginning to think I did.There is no use of shutting down this thread down ,I’ll quit, If you people want me to ,just say the word.walt2000
You did not waste your time. Anyone searching for truth will not waste their time. It is important however to understand the true Catholic Church’s teachings especially on specific subjects as you have spent a lot of time as an acting Catholic. You do not need to leave, but please be open to what we have to say and we will be open to you. This does not mean we have to agree though. And no one here I think will claim themselves as a genius. I just joined this thread and so have not read the rest of the posts yet, but this is what I’ve gathered so far…
 
So just what have you gathered?
That you think that I think I am a genius?
Do you think my studies in revelations should make me one?Do you think that I think I am one?
I am different,.I did have people give me some real complements ,Christ is the author,not me.
What you now read is just half of it .I have pages that prove what people say in ,their proving Revelations, that ,Revelations is wrong ,as they interp. it ,wrong at it’s out set ,and I personally am looking ,to have some one prove me wrong .I am not blowing my horn ,to Prod or Catholic.I am not here trying to be smart, what I tell you I sign.before God, It Say’s take it to the church and I am!
And with out modesty people have called me some very favorable names ,and gave me some real complements, as I said.And I am not gong to repeat them here.I personally am getting fed up with peoples ignorance.And arrogance .walt2000
 
So just what have you gathered?
That you think that I think I am a genius?
Do you think my studies in revelations should make me one?Do you think that I think I am one?
I am different,.I did have people give me some real complements ,Christ is the author,not me.
What you now read is just half of it .I have pages that prove what people say in ,their proving Revelations, that ,Revelations is wrong ,as they interp. it ,wrong at it’s out set ,and I personally am looking ,to have some one prove me wrong .I am not blowing my horn ,to Prod or Catholic.I am not here trying to be smart, what I tell you I sign.before God, It Say’s take it to the church and I am!
And with out modesty people have called me some very favorable names ,and gave me some real complements, as I said.And I am not gong to repeat them here.I personally am getting fed up with peoples ignorance.And arrogance .walt2000
I said nothing of the sort. I was just trying to make you feel more welcome and not so defensive. But I see my efforts have been for nothing. So never mind. I’ll leave this thread.
 
This is page noumber seven, the number of perfection ,and It would be a place for me to quit.walt2000
 
I have nothing against you personally che23onaly I have been at this for to long. and I need a holiday for a while.I think I’ll go to Ireland again to cool off . Or may be back to the north your northern State .walt2000
This is page 8 , I guess I was wronger, In the bible 8 is the number of a new beginning. walt2000
 
This idea comes from a misinterpretation of Daniel 2 by both Catholic’s and Protestant’s. They believe that the fourth kingdom of iron and clay is Rome. I know that it’s impossible for that interpretation to be correct
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Because of this misinterpretation, the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns is believed by most Protestant’s to be symbolic of the European Union. Many believe Solana’s is the antichrist.

Most Protestant’s believe that the two horned beast is symbolic of the end time religion of both beast. It’s believed that the Pope will unite the world’s religions into one new age type of religion.
I don’t believe either the Protestant or Catholic view of Prophecy.

The beast(s) depicted in these verses, as well as all the verses of prophecy, have only one religion written all over them…

Islam

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THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE TO FALLOW THE RULE IN Re.22/18
You can not force the past, in to the future.You get

misinterpretation ,walt2000
 
THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE TO FALLOW THE RULE IN Re.22/18
You can not force the past, in to the future.You get

misinterpretation ,walt2000
BUT THE FUTURE REPEATS THE PAST and History is Prophecy.

The book of Daniel

Introduction
Historical setting: God’s people persecuted 1:1-21

I Initial vision: The mystery of Messiah’s Kingdom revealed 2:1-49

II Three key personalities in the Kingdom’s coming 3:1-6:28

III Initial vision recapitulated: proof that Christ is coming 7:-12:13

Epilgue Thematic summary

The book of Revelation

Introduction
Historical setting, God’s people persecuted 1:1-3:22

I Initial vision: The mystery of Messiah’s Kingdom revealed 4:1-11:19

**II ** Three key personalities in the Kingdom’s coming 12:1-12:17

III Initial vision recapitulated: proof that Christ is coming 13:1-21:5

**Epilogue ** Thematic summary and concluding remarks

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
That only proves ,that if you do Revelation properly.It will only prove it self in history. Revelations is, a sum of the other two.
Old and new testaments.Revelations, is a see I told you book ,an end time proof.I told you so.
That is why the little scroll sweet in the mouth and is sour in the stomach.

Eze.2/9and.3.sweet and sourer.

Dan.12/4 sweet and sourer

Rev.10/2 look up little scroll.sweet and sourer.Seal up what the SEVEN THUNDERS said,do not write it down ,the mystery of God,will be accomplished to his servants the prophets.walt2000
 
That only proves ,that if you do Revelation properly.It will only prove it self in history. Revelations is, a sum of the other two.
Old and new testaments.Revelations, is a see I told you book ,an end time proof.I told you so.
That is why the little scroll sweet in the mouth and is sour in the stomach.

Eze.2/9and.3.sweet and sourer.

Dan.12/4 sweet and sourer

Rev.10/2 look up little scroll.sweet and sourer.Seal up what the SEVEN THUNDERS said,do not write it down ,the mystery of God,will be accomplished to his servants the prophets.walt2000
Yes, the Seven Thunders, the mystery of the Messiah’s Kingdom reveiled. Jesus told them the mystery of what the Kingdom of the Messiah would really be like:

Matthew 13:11 “Because knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been granted to you, but to them it has not been granted.”

The “little scroll” the deliverance of the Jesus’ Church from the Great Tribulation (the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem) was sweet as honey. But the result of that deliverance was the destruction of St. John’s kinsmen and hometown which made his stomach bitter.

Isn’t it ironic that Jesus’s called St John and his brother “sons of thunder”? (Mark 3:17)

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
Together the Whore and the Horned Beast rule the world as the False Prophet with 2 Horns, Jews + Gentiles. The same coalition of people that sent Jesus to the cross, the very first Antichrist.
Historically, the early church fathers agree with you. These verses refer to the Jewish leadership and the Roman Authority. They see the fulfillment of these verses, surrounding the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D.

Concerning a future fulfillment, I won’t hazard a guess.

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
Historically, the early church fathers agree with you. These verses refer to the Jewish leadership and the Roman Authority. They see the fulfillment of these verses, surrounding the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D.

Concerning a future fulfillment, I won’t hazard a guess.

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
How about
Don’t hurt the oil and wine.

Thunder No.1 SEALS Re.6/6 OIL AND WINE

Thunder No.7 DIVINE WINNERS Re.18/13 OIL AND WINE
 
Their both WHITE HORSE WINNERS.

Thunder No.1 starts with a White Horse and crown.=winner.

Thunder No.7 end with a White Horse and crowns = winners.

And they both mention oil and wine.walt2000
 
Christ, the white horse rider, executes his judgement on the Temple and Jerusalem. The seals are opened in the same order Jesus warned His disciples about the fall of the Temple.

Luke 21: 5-11 While some people were speaking about how the temple was adorned with costly stones and votive offerings, he said, “All that you see here–the days will come when there will not be left a stone upon another stone that will not be thrown down.” Then they asked him, “Teacher, when will this happen? And what sign will there be when all these things are about to happen?” He answered, “See that you not be deceived, for many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and ‘The time has come.’ Do not follow them! When you hear of wars and insurrections, do not be terrified; for such things must happen first, but it will not immediately be the end.” Then he said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be powerful earthquakes, famines, and plagues from place to place; and awesome sights and mighty signs will come from the sky.

Historically, the angel announces the famine upon Jerusalem, so the oil and wine is used very sparingly. This vision takes place from the heavenly perspective. (Rev 6:6)

The second vision shows the same event from the perspective of earth. The merchants weep and mourn over Jerusalems destruction because it was a key trading center. (Rev 18:13)

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
Christ, the white horse rider, executes his judgement on the Temple and Jerusalem. The seals are opened in the same order Jesus warned His disciples about the fall of the Temple.

Luke 21: 5-11 While some people were speaking about how the temple was adorned with costly stones and votive offerings, he said, “All that you see here–the days will come when there will not be left a stone upon another stone that will not be thrown down.” Then they asked him, “Teacher, when will this happen? And what sign will there be when all these things are about to happen?” He answered, “See that you not be deceived, for many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and ‘The time has come.’ Do not follow them! When you hear of wars and insurrections, do not be terrified; for such things must happen first, but it will not immediately be the end.” Then he said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be powerful earthquakes, famines, and plagues from place to place; and awesome sights and mighty signs will come from the sky.

Historically, the angel announces the famine upon Jerusalem, so the oil and wine is used very sparingly. This vision takes place from the heavenly perspective. (Rev 6:6)

The second vision shows the same event from the perspective of earth. The merchants weep and mourn over Jerusalems destruction because it was a key trading center. (Rev 18:13)

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
Do you think Jews, in their current state of rejecting Jesus, are ever going to blast Muslims off the Temple Mount one of these days so they can rebuild their Temple?
 
Do you think Jews, in their current state of rejecting Jesus, are ever going to blast Muslims off the Temple Mount one of these days so they can rebuild their Temple?
You are the same as

Preacher Vern
Regular Member

you both are wrong.walt2000
 
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