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CathChemNerd said:
Hello JD:

If you want to understand Revelation, you need to understand apocalyptic literature (a common literary style of the time). It employs heavily symbolic language, so numbers, body parts, descriptions etc. can have a hidden meaning. Because of this, it is challenging to interpret the book correctly.
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Read Scott Hahn’s book THE LAMB’S SUPPER. It is, indeed, a ‘revelation’.👍
 
Huguenot said:
but I’ve heard that some televangelists get on very well with Catholics …( including Pat Robertson who shocked French Protestants, inclusive Evangelicals, by saying that Hugo Chavez should be killed … )
it was also the case with Billy Graham, who had good relationships with John Paul II …
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Hugo Chavez should be killed well ,who knows He.is talking like another, Hitler but ,and again It could save a lot of lives.He slapped USA, in the face

The anti Christ is to come out of the middle east.between the two rivers.Hugo Chavez ??? If he is the anti Christ he will not be killed that way.
And those people you mentioned do not know how to interpret Revelations, with the exception of the pope,.I think Paul 2nd. had the people that know how to interpret Rev. properly. walt2000
 
peary said:
Read Scott Hahn’s book THE LAMB’S SUPPER. It is, indeed, a ‘revelation’.👍
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In order to under stand Revelations,one has to understand the way It was hidden. You have to understand the symbol, the germ atria, and know how to know what is allegory, and what is not. there is structure in the book ,Unless his gentleman can tell me what the Seven Thunders said to the churches in Rev.10/4 he is a false prophet.walt2000
 
walt2000 said:
In order to under stand Revelations,one has to understand the way It was hidden. You have to understand the symbol, the germ atria, and know how to know what is allegory, and what is not. there is structure in the book ,Unless his gentleman can tell me what the Seven Thunders said to the churches in Rev.10/4 he is a false prophet.walt2000
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There is nothing ‘hidden’ in John’s ‘book’ of Revelations. Everything is explained. In fact, Christ is called the Lamb of God I think about 26 times in 22 chapters. In fact, the Heavenly banquet IS the Catholic Mass…the Divine Liturgy.
 
peary said:
There is nothing ‘hidden’ in John’s ‘book’ of Revelations. Everything is explained. In fact, Christ is called the Lamb of God I think about 26 times in 22 chapters. In fact, the Heavenly banquet IS the Catholic Mass…the Divine Liturgy.
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There is nothing ‘hidden’ in John’s ‘book’ of Revelations. Everything is explained.
What you have to learn.Sorry but I can not disagree more.Why do you think there is so many versions .
as for the catholic mass, I am not touching that ,and I am catholic.walt2000
 
peary said:
There is nothing ‘hidden’ in John’s ‘book’ of Revelations. Everything is explained. In fact, Christ is called the Lamb of God I think about 26 times in 22 chapters. In fact, the Heavenly banquet IS the Catholic Mass…the Divine Liturgy.
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You have to understand the symbol, the germ atria, and know how to know what is allegory, and what is not. there is structure in the book
If you are new to this leave it alone.walt2000
 
walt2000 said:
There is nothing ‘hidden’ in John’s ‘book’ of Revelations. Everything is explained.
What you have to learn.Sorry but I can not disagree more.Why do you think there is so many versions .
as for the catholic mass, I am not touching that ,and I am catholic.walt2000
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Walt -
Why do you think the Mass developed as it did? You have “bought into” the protestants’ various interpretations of John’s book, certainly not the Church’s understanding. May I suggest that you might read Scott Hahn’s book, The Lamb’s Supper, which documents the whole notion as to why the Divine Liturgy (in the East) and the Mass (of the West) is truly “Heaven on earth,” and is based on John’s Revelation. Please open your heart and mind to the Spirit. The best explanation is the simplest.
 
Huguenot said:
“It also creates some problems for French Catholics who would like to start ecumenical prayer groups with Protestants : sometimes there aren’t any Protestants around …or not enough !!
On a French Catholic forum two participants told me : you’re Protestant, I’m glad be able to talk with you here, in my town some other Catholics and I would like to start ecumenical groups but we can’t : there aren’t any Protestants here …( the two persons come from different regions )…”
Well-explained and thoughtful posts. Thank you, Mssr. Huguenot, and may God bless you!

It seems that you are like the only eligible bachelor in a room of pretty girls or the only beautiful girl in a room filled with men, in the sense that you are so in demand! I would guess those Catholics should treat you to a nice dinner – “breaking bread” – to lure you to their ecumenical group! Sorry, I guess that’s the mercenary in me. In any case, thank you for your posts and, again, God’s abundant blessings on you! :crossrc:
 
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Walt -
Why do you think the Mass developed as it did? You have “bought into” the protestants’ various interpretations of John’s book, certainly not the Church’s understanding. May I suggest that you might read Scott Hahn’s book, The Lamb’s Supper, which documents the whole notion as to why the Divine Liturgy (in the East) and the Mass (of the West) is truly “Heaven on earth,” and is based on John’s Revelation. Please open your heart and mind to the Spirit. The best explanation is the simplest.
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Matt.13/13
why do you speak to the people in parables?
This is why I speak to them in parables:though seeing ,they do not see;though hearing they do not hear ;though hearing they do not hear or understand.
This is why Revelations was hidden for just under 2000 years.
That is why I say.
You have to understand the symbol’s, the germatria, and know how to know what is allegory, and what is not. there is structure in the book of Revelations ,that are not meant for everybody.walt2000
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By the way Revelations 13 =THUNDER NO.4 =EARTH NO. Rev.12-15
on the earth.

Intermingled with THUNDER NO.5 =THE WORD AMONG ST MAN.Rev.14/6-15/5

The next thunder is THUNDER NO.6 = THE NO. OF MAN Re.15/6-16confusing ,not really.
walt2000
 
walt2000 said:
By the way Revelations 13 =THUNDER NO.4 =EARTH NO. Rev.12-15
on the earth.

Intermingled with THUNDER NO.5 =THE WORD AMONG ST MAN.Rev.14/6-15/5

The next thunder is THUNDER NO.6 = THE NO. OF MAN Re.15/6-16confusing ,not really.
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huh?

I’ll suggest that you spend time in the rest of the new testament and leave Revelation alone for a couple of years.
Spend a year on the gospels alone.

michel
 
walt2000 said:
Matt.13/13
why do you speak to the people in parables?
This is why I speak to them in parables:though seeing ,they do not see;though hearing they do not hear ;though hearing they do not hear or understand.
This is why Revelations was hidden for just under 2000 years.
That is why I say.
You have to understand the symbol’s, the germatria, and know how to know what is allegory, and what is not. there is structure in the book of Revelations ,that are not meant for everybody.walt2000
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Walt
The Revelation of John is not a parable.
It is very symbolic, but is not a parable in any sense.
It is an apocolyptic writing.

I’ve read your posts in this discussion.
You seem to claim that everyone else is ignorant about John’s Revelation, but you.
However, in no way do you present yourself as knowledgeable.
Your ‘speech’ is disjointed and untelligible.
I find this will in no way draw people to trust YOUR conclusions on the book in question.

It seems that you regard it as a code, only to be cracked recently.
A secret that you are special enough or smart enough to be a part of.
This is lunacy.
The book itself says it is to be read aloud. It had meaning even for those first Christians.
While there may be quite a bit of symbolism, it was not a complete mystery to them.

I’ll ask that in your future posts, please type slowly and use structure and punctuation. I have had a very difficult time reading your comments.

michel
 
Have you read the rest of my postings?
Or are you just commenting on the posts on this thread.
don’t get me wrong I do like to hear comments,as for my grammar I admit I fall short.? And my spelling ,We won’t talk about that.
As for spending time in the new testament believe me I was there for some thirty years of the thirty five years in fact,I literally wore out at lest four bibles .
You seem to be well educated ,can you tell me if you see any gematria ,hidden within the text , Or and hidden meanings within the text .walt2000
 
It seems that you regard it as a code, only to be cracked recently.
A secret that you are special enough or smart enough to be a part of.
This is lunacy.

Sorry if you read that in my posts ,that is not my intention.

This is lunacy,well It is far form that,is like opening the Rosetta stone.
As for a code, well it seem that it is.
sorry to be to bold, but there is a message hidden within the text ,walt2000
Revelation of John is not a parable.
michel
What is your definition of a parable?Walt2000
 
michel I like to find someone that can talk intelligently.Thanks for your comment.walt2000
 
Definition
A parable is a brief allegory that is used to teach a moral lesson
An allegory is an extended metaphor, especially a story in which fictional characters and actions are used to understand and express aspects of concepts relating to human existence.
Metaphor (from the Greek: metapherin) is language that directly compares seemingly unrelated subjects. In the simplest case, this takes the form: “The [first subject] is a [second subject].” More generally, a metaphor is a rhetorical trope that describes a first subject as being or equal to a second subject in some way. Thus, the first subject can be economically described because implicit and explicit attributes from the second subject are used to enhance the description of the first. This device is known for usage in literature, especially in poetry, where with few words, emotions and associations from one context are associated with objects and entities in a different context.walt2000
 
I suppose this thread will be closed now.
when ever I get someone intellegent to talk to it seems that they shut it down.walt2000
 
Because many American Protestants believe the Book of Revelation is to be interpreted literally and it’s even unfortunate that many still think the Bible was written in Old English in Appalachia. Hurts doesn’t it?
My point is, all these arguments are the product of Satan to distract us from our common cause.
Sad isn’t it?
 
tevers said:
Because many American Protestants believe the Book of Revelation is to be interpreted literally and it’s even unfortunate that many still think the Bible was written in Old English in Appalachia. Hurts doesn’t it?
My point is, all these arguments are the product of Satan to distract us from our common cause.
Sad isn’t it?
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I have to sadly agree.walt2000
I am sorry if It seems that I dominate this subject ,but it is a subject that dominates me.walt2000
 
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