Revenge of the Sith - things that make you go hmmm

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mommy:
When watching Science Fiction, it’s best just to not put the rules of ‘our world’ into that world. Just let it go, fasten your seatbelts and enjoy the ride!
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It’s called the “willing suspension of disbelief” but as any writer knows, the reader, viewer, etc. must be willing, and to achieve that the writer needs to have some sort of consistent plausibility and avoid stretching credulity where it is not necessary.
If you think about it, the real reason the fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin took place on that volcanic planet right on top the lava flow was so that George Lucas could explain what happened to Anakin to get him in that black life-support suit.
Was there no other way to maim him? I’m sure most of us could think of other scenarios that would avoid requiring us to believe any living breathing human being could survive more than a minute six inches above a river of molten rock.
 
Did anyone noticed the religious resemblences in the entire series of Star Wars?

I’m sure you did. 🙂
 
2 things…
  1. I do not classify the series as Science Fiction. It is Fantasy.
  2. There is a suspension of disbelief required to watch any movie of this type. But suspension of disbelief will only take you so far. The movie must be true to at least the rules it sets forth.
    When I saw the characters fighting only inches above the lava flow, I believed it to be possible in the world the story is working with. But when Annakin catches fire (mere inches from the lava flow), now there is a problem.
Either inches from the flow is safe, or it is not. Not both.

I was also irritated with the progression of Padme’s pregnancy. It seemed that as the movie progressed, the pregnancy changed at random. For instance, after Anakin has had his battle in the Jedi temple, he goes to see Padme. She is noticeably pregnant. But later, on the volcanic moon, she does not appear pregnant at all.

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jennstall:
She didn’t want anyone else to know who the father was since they married in secret. Jedis aren’t supposed to marry.
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Yes that’s what I meant.
 
vz71 said:
2 things…
  1. I do not classify the series as Science Fiction. It is Fantasy.
  2. There is a suspension of disbelief required to watch any movie of this type. But suspension of disbelief will only take you so far. The movie must be true to at least the rules it sets forth.
    When I saw the characters fighting only inches above the lava flow, I believed it to be possible in the world the story is working with. But when Annakin catches fire (mere inches from the lava flow), now there is a problem.
Either inches from the flow is safe, or it is not. Not both.

I was also irritated with the progression of Padme’s pregnancy. It seemed that as the movie progressed, the pregnancy changed at random. For instance, after Anakin has had his battle in the Jedi temple, he goes to see Padme. She is noticeably pregnant. But later, on the volcanic moon, she does not appear pregnant at all.

.02 duly deposited.

Z
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Haven’t you heard, every pregnancy is different. Also, molten lava is only dangerous when it is cinematically convenient.
 
Les Richardson:
It’s called the “willing suspension of disbelief” but as any writer knows, the reader, viewer, etc. must be willing, and to achieve that the writer needs to have some sort of consistent plausibility and avoid stretching credulity where it is not necessary.
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No kidding - I’m willing to accept lightsabers, clone armies, hyperspace travel, midichlorians, and that scene in the beginning where they crash a million-ton chunk of a giant spaceship and they don’t break a sweat as the thing is burning up in the atmosphere, with little firetruck ships spraying water on it, and then thing stops in a few seconds after they slide a couple hundred feet on the runway, and nobody’s even shaken up. Yes, that’s all fine, but that final scene with the lava - give me a freakin’ break!
 
Three of my friends who saw it said it was actually floating droids. Then they proceeded to laugh and spit and mock me when I didn’t notice it, followed by beating me.
 
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vz71:
  1. I do not classify the series as Science Fiction. It is Fantasy.
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I have heard of three different terms to cover the genre that Star Wars fits into.
  1. Science Fantasy
  2. Space Opera
  3. Soft Science Fiction as opposed to Hard Science Fiction which gets into the science aspect more
I prefer number 2
 
Two things that annoyed me:
  1. They mentioned Master Sifa-Dias <sp?> in Ep. II as the guy who ordered the clone army. I was hoping they would explain who the heck he was in Ep. III. Of course, they did not. Grrrr…
  2. Padme dies, but no one can explain why. Come on Lucas, you’re a horrible writer but couldn’t you have come up with something… ANYTHING better than “she’s lost the will to live…” Blah.
Why oh why didn’t Lucas let Lawrence Kasdan write it and Irvin Kershner direct? They gave us Empire, which is by far the best of all of them.
 
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mommy:
You build it on a volcanic planet if you don’t want to be found. They didn’t want the Jedi to find them, until The Emperor didn’t need them anymore.

Since Padme was scared of who was finding out who the father was, she probably didn’t have the full workup of prenatal care she normally would.
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Padme knew who the father was.
 
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UnworthySoul:
  1. Padme dies, but no one can explain why. Come on Lucas, you’re a horrible writer but couldn’t you have come up with something… ANYTHING better than “she’s lost the will to live…” Blah.
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No kidding… and the deadpan matter-of-fact way the little medical droid delivers this line makes it almost laughable. It just seemed like kind of a cop-out, a throwaway. Surely they could have come up with something better!
 
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catholicanarchy:
Padme knew who the father was.
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I know that. She didn’t want anyone else to know who the father was, and even tried to hide her pregancy for as long as she could.
 
Padme’s death has precedent in the Star War’s universe. Remember Yoda’s death in RotJ? He’s walking around, talking, then he just lays down, tells Luke a few more things, and gives up the ghost. Sure, it doesn’t say that Yoda lost the will to live, but it certainly seems that he decides the moment of his death.

This is all well within the context of Star Wars, folks, just like cheesy lines and goofy acting. These things aren’t “flaws”, they’re a direct part of the genre and have been since day one.
 
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CARose:
Well, I can’t speak to the breathable atmosphere part, but I can say a couple of things about the temp. 500 degrees, 1100 degrees, neither would require special adaptive clothing, as long as you don’t touch the lava (or anything heated by the lava). When working with molten glass, I used to stand for hours working with hot glass that came from the furnace heated at 2200 degrees. And this was on a warm summer day.
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Yea, but I’d think a quarter-mile-wide lava river would produce a hekkuva lot more heat overall than a gallon-sized ball of 2200 degree glass. And look, Obi-Wan didn’t even get a sunburn. Mebbe I outta check out this “Force” stuff myself. LOL. :rolleyes:
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UnworthySoul:
They mentioned Master Sifa-Dias <sp?> in Ep. II as the guy who ordered the clone army. I was hoping they would explain who the heck he was in Ep. III. Of course, they did not. Grrrr…
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I think that’s Master Sidious, aka Chancellor Palpatine in disguise. If I can ever re-claim possession of my TV from my kids, I’ll put Episode II in the DVD and check it out. They’re busy watching episodes IV, V, and VI.
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Ghosty:
This is all well within the context of Star Wars, folks, just like cheesy lines and goofy acting. These things aren’t “flaws”, they’re a direct part of the genre and have been since day one.
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At least in Episodes IV, V, and VI, Lucas made an attempt to develop believable relationships between the characters and obey the laws of science. Most of the time. In this last chapter he seems to just have been interested in splashy special effects. Great lightsaber battle scene, tho. I’ll go back and see the movie again in another week. 😃
 
The Jedi that is mentioned in relation to ordering the Clone army is Tyranious, which is Count Dooku. He was also the one who removed the data on the Comino system from the Jedi Archives. Remember, Palpatine/Sidious never had access to the Jedi Temple, but Dooku did, as he was personally trained by Yoda. It was Sidious who ordered Tyranious to contract the Clone army on Comino in the name of the Republic, as he was plotting the whole thing behind the scenes. Palpatine/Sidious could not have ordered it himself, as he was maintaining his guise as a member of the Republic Senate. Tyranious/Dooku ordered both the Clone army and the Droid army of the Separatists under orders from Sidious.
 
And for those interested in the Jedi side of things, it is Yoda who is ultimately responsible for bringing balance to the Force, albeit indirectly.

Yoda trains Count Dooku.
Count Dooku trains Qui-Gon Jinn.
Qui-Gon Jinn trains Obiwan Kinobi
Obiwan Kinobi trains Anakin Skywalker.
Anakin Skywalker kills Count Dooku (aka Darth Tyraneous)
Anakin turns to the Dark Side and becomes Darth Vader
Yoda trains Luke Skywalker
Luke Skywalker turns Darth Vader back from the Dark Side
Anakin Skywalker kills Darth Sidious and suffers mortal injury from Force Lightning, thus the last of the Sith perish together.

Thus, it is from the line of Jedi Knights that passes through Yoda that ultimately brings balance to the Force.
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
The Jedi that is mentioned in relation to ordering the Clone army is Tyranious, which is Count Dooku. He was also the one who removed the data on the Comino system from the Jedi Archives. Remember, Palpatine/Sidious never had access to the Jedi Temple, but Dooku did, as he was personally trained by Yoda. It was Sidious who ordered Tyranious to contract the Clone army on Comino in the name of the Republic, as he was plotting the whole thing behind the scenes. Palpatine/Sidious could not have ordered it himself, as he was maintaining his guise as a member of the Republic Senate. Tyranious/Dooku ordered both the Clone army and the Droid army of the Separatists under orders from Sidious.
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Right, I gathered that much, but they should have alluded more to the name of Sifa-Dias somewhere further on, continuity and all that.
 
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UnworthySoul:
Right, I gathered that much, but they should have alluded more to the name of Sifa-Dias somewhere further on, continuity and all that.
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That might have been a pretty cool storyline. Sifo-Dyas was Dooku’s closest friend and did in fact order the clone army without the knowledge of the Jedi Council. But Dooku murdered Sifo-Dyas shortly thereafter, and choose Jango Fett as the clone template, and finalized the plans on Kamino.
 
I adored the coughing robotic general mechano thing, I was a bit surprised it was not chewing a cigar, and the hunch, oh my oh my…:rotfl:
 
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