Revolvers for Everyone!

[Vasian]

Up here in Washington state, we had two Deputy Sheriffs shot this last weekend by a man who had many guns.
He was a convicted Felon who by law was not allowed to own guns.
A few weeks back, a convicted FELON, OUT ON BAIL sought out and murdered FOUR police officers and murdered them.
Neither if these men had a right a LAWFUL RIGHT to own firearms, but they did, and they committed murder.
No amount of gun laws stop bad guys from getting guns.

It is an old but true adage…

“OUT LAW GUNS, AND ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS…”

Like in Great Britain.

 

[po18guy]

Jesus said, “Those who take up the revolver shall die by the revolver,” or something similar.

“He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword” I note that Jesus said this to Peter as prophecy was being fulfilled in the garden of Gethsemane. Earlier, He did not bar His Apostles from the carrying of swords. It’s just that they did not live by them. And that is a healthy and prudent attitude.

 

[po18guy]

Because some of the so-called “law abiding citizens” manufacture and then indirectly sell them to crimminals.

Then, they also are criminals. Please do not tar the term “law abiding” by using it to describe criminals. My point being that violent criminals are punished, if at all, in a lax manner. In my state, there are eight people that would be alive today if only two of them had been incarcerated for the multiple crimes they had already committed. You want to save lives as well as souls? Incarcerate them, where they will not harm and will hear the Word.

 

[royal_archer]

“He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword” I note that Jesus said this to Peter as prophecy was being fulfilled in the garden of Gethsemane. Earlier, He did not bar His Apostles from the carrying of swords. It’s just that they did not live by them. And that is a healthy and prudent attitude.

I have always interpreted this as do not use weapons or force to push your will on others. This does not apply to self or mutual defense.

 

[ahollars]

Jesus said, “Those who take up the revolver shall die by the revolver,” or something similar.

That’s right, and it is better that they die by my revolver and not the one that Jesus is wielding. Isn’t punishment in this life better than punishment in the next? I’m not being facetious here. If they will die by the sword, then who’s holding the other sword? At least with my revolver they can still receive everlasting life (with a pitstop in purgatory most likely).

 

[ahollars]

wabrams,

If you read the post in its entirety, I wasn’t advocating the banning, just that if they did decide to ban them I could care less since I don’t own any. In other words it does’t affect me either way.

I’ve been on this planet over five decades and have never needed a weapon; not a bad run if i don’t say so myself besides, If I need to have someone shot i’m going to call the police and let them do it. Thats part of what they are paid to do.

People like you are who my signature is directed to. npatrol:

 

[po18guy]

I have always interpreted this as do not use weapons or force to push your will on others. This does not apply to self or mutual defense.

The catechism makes clear the fact that we are completely justified in the defense of innocent life - ours or that of others. CCC 2263 & 2265.

 

[wabrams]

and I’d have to question the wisdom of college students carrying loaded weapons as well, in general.

Why is that? A vast majority are over 18, with a large chunk over the age of 21. Today, more and more college students are older adults finishing degrees or making career changes.

Remember, though, Chuck Norris does not wear guns for protection, the guns wear Chuck Norris for protection.

When Chuck Norris jumps into the water, he doesn’t get wet, the water gets Chucked.

 

[wabrams]

Because some of the so-called “law abiding citizens” manufacture and then indirectly sell them to crimminals.

That is very rare. To make a functional, practical to carry firearm is very difficult. I hope you gave some good examples to share with us.

If you read the post in its entirety, I wasn’t advocating the banning, just that if they did decide to ban them I could care less since I don’t own any. In other words it does’t affect me either way.

When someone shows an indifference to the possibility of someone elses rights being stripped from them, then you are no different in my book than those wanting to take away the rights.

I’ve been on this planet over five decades and have never needed a weapon; not a bad run if i don’t say so myself besides,

I have never needed one in my 30 years and pray that I don’t ever have to need one, but it doesn’t hurt to be prepared. No different than having insurance.

If I need to have someone shot i’m going to call the police and let them do it. Thats part of what they are paid to do.

If you are in a situation where you feel a firearm must be used to protect your life and are going to call the police to do the protecting, then it is too late for you. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. The police have no legal duty to protect you.

 

[gamewell45]

every time you have walked in public in safety and every night you went with out your home being robbed you can thank the millions who own guns. our massive fire arms possession in the United states creates a deterent to many would be criminals. Our possession of fire arms also frequently leans out the number of criminals who are stopped durring, or just prior to, the commission of a crime.

I can’t disagree more. I credit the safe streets to the good work of the police; not a gun carrying civilian who in most cases is untrained to deal with criminals in a hostile situation…

 

[wabrams]

I can’t disagree more. I credit the safe streets to the good work of the police; not a gun carrying civilian who in most cases is untrained to deal with criminals in a hostile situation…

I will trust a private citizen with a concealed carry license alot more than I will a police officer. In most states to get your CCL, you have to do the same qualifications as the police. Unlike most police officers, those with CCL’s practice regulary. One of the scariest things I have seen regarding firearms is watching police officers practicing for their annual qualification missing targets, pointing loaded guns in the wrong directions, etc.

 

[gamewell45]

That is very rare. To make a functional, practical to carry firearm is very difficult. I hope you gave some good examples to share with us.

A good example is Smith & Wesson; they manufacture hand guns; in turn sell them to gun dealers who in turn, due to lax gun control laws often fall into the hands of criminals.

When someone shows an indifference to the possibility of someone elses rights being stripped from them, then you are no different in my book than those wanting to take away the rights.

**One of the nice things about being a US citizen is that you are not required to take positions on issues which don’t effect you.
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I have never needed one in my 30 years and pray that I don’t ever have to need one, but it doesn’t hurt to be prepared. No different than having insurance.

Having insurance doesn’t require the purchaser to have a license and very few criminals have insurance.

If you are in a situation where you feel a firearm must be used to protect your life and are going to call the police to do the protecting, then it is too late for you. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. The police have no legal duty to protect you.

**We’re all going to die someday and if its your turn to go, there’s not much you can do about it anyway so that should be the least thing on your mind. **

 

[gamewell45]

I will trust a private citizen with a concealed carry license alot more than I will a police officer. In most states to get your CCL, you have to do the same qualifications as the police. Unlike most police officers, those with CCL’s practice regulary. One of the scariest things I have seen regarding firearms is watching police officers practicing for their annual qualification missing targets, pointing loaded guns in the wrong directions, etc.

Somehow, I think that those who work in Law Enforcement would heartily disagree with your views.

 

[wabrams]

Somehow, I think that those who work in Law Enforcement would heartily disagree with your views.

It isn’t my view; it’s fact as to what I have seen. If they disagree, I could really care less.

 

[gamewell45]

It isn’t my view; it’s fact as to what I have seen. If they disagree, I could really care less.

Thanks for your response.

I’m sure they feel the same about your observations as well. So I guess we can both admit that its a two-way street when it comes to your opinion and theirs.

 

[wabrams]

** A good example is Smith & Wesson; they manufacture hand guns; in turn sell them to gun dealers who in turn, due to lax gun control laws often fall into the hands of criminals. **

That is not a common occurence and is a seperate issue from this statement I asked you to provide proof of:

Because some of the so-called “law abiding citizens” manufacture and then indirectly sell them to crimminals.

**One of the nice things about being a US citizen is that you are not required to take positions on issues which don’t effect you. **

No one asked you to take one side or the other, just to be a good American by at least caring if someone is going to strip your fellow citizen of their rights. How would you like it if I said I could care less one way or the other if the government wanted to ban the Episcopal church b/c I had no intention of joining?

**Having insurance doesn’t require the purchaser to have a license and very few criminals have insurance. **

Do what?

**We’re all going to die someday and if its your turn to go, there’s not much you can do about it anyway so that should be the least thing on your mind. **

Then why would you feel the need to call the cops to come “shoot someone for you” if it is your time to go?

 

[wabrams]

Thanks for your response.

I’m sure they feel the same about your observations as well. So I guess we can both admit that its a two-way street when it comes to your opinion and theirs.

You are telling me that is is my opinion that police officers, in uniform at a shooting range, are missing their targets and showing improper firearm safety?

 

[gamewell45]

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That is not a common occurence and is a seperate issue from this statement I asked you to provide proof of:

No one asked you to take one side or the other, just to be a good American by at least caring if someone is going to strip your fellow citizen of their rights. How would you like it if I said I could care less one way or the other if the government wanted to ban the Episcopal church b/c I had no intention of joining?

Do what?

Then why would you feel the need to call the cops to come “shoot someone for you” if it is your time to go?

So hopefully they’ll catch them in the act and charge them with the appropriate crime. If they get there before the act is committed, then it wasn’t my time to go. Its really pretty simple.

 

[gamewell45]

You are telling me that is is my opinion that police officers, in uniform at a shooting range, are missing their targets and showing improper firearm safety?

No, you’re saying that, not me. For some reason i get the impression that you have a “beef” with law enforcement. I could be wrong, but thats the reading I’m getting from you. Do you have issues with Law Enforcement?

 

[wabrams]

No, you’re saying that, not me.

Just answer the question I originally asked; it’s very simple.

For some reason i get the impression that you have a “beef” with law enforcement. I could be wrong, but thats the reading I’m getting from you. Do you have issues with Law Enforcement?

Don’t try and change the subject; just answer the question.