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… In America, the places with the most violence are inner cities in metropolitan areas. …
now wait a moment

I don’t think that you can make that categorization

While Washington DC has the highest crime rate,
#2 is big wide open Arizona

and #3 is the state where I live, South Carolina. a very rural and gun toting state
they all boast about how polite they are and it is “ma’am” and “sir” all the time
BUT
the crime statistics for this state are horrible compared to the big city I grew up in
 
You have accused me of distorting the facts and being dishonest.
You are intentionally distorting the facts to suit your own agenda, which isn’t much better than lieing. Quit being dishonest and please use some common sense.
But I have given you here video taped proof of the gun show loophole according to which criminals can buy and sell guns at gun shows with no id, and no background check.
youtube.com/watch?v=EGJ-BLHXl9c&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=cc97OUyMkQA&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=Gq2faC-u87g&feature=fvw
youtube.com/watch?v=baPgr_tw79Q&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=9L_s7N-I5SA
youtube.com/watch?v=4b-ztawuh98
You now claim that this is being done at Dunkin donuts.
And it also exists at Dunkin Donuts. .
Since I have been accused of being dishonest and a liar, and yet I have shown everyone here videotaped proof of the gun show loophole, show your honesty about Dunkin Donuts and show us the documentary proof of your statement that gun sales are taking place at Dunkin Donuts. How many gun sales in the past year have taken place at Dunkin Donut locations?
Let us see who is the honest one here.
 
This contrasts sharply with the law on registering cars in private sales. So criminals can buy whatever guns they want, without any background check and no records being kept at gun shows provided the dealer is not in the business of selling guns. This is the gunshow loophole available in 33 states.
Here is the proof on video tape:
youtube.com/watch?v=4b-ztawuh98

youtube.com/watch?v=9L_s7N-I5SA

youtube.com/watch?v=baPgr_tw79Q&feature=related

No background check, no ID, any criminal can buy a gun. It is here captured on video tape for anyone to see.
People, you can see by the responses of these pro-gun people on this thread, that they have not been truthful about this. If they have not been truthful about this, then what is your conclusion about how trustworthy they are with all of these assault weapons they want to own.
I have been a member of another online forum locally for many years. I wound up selling a fellow a semi-automatic target rifle (something the gun-haters would probably call an “assult rifle”) and met him across the street from the bank where he got his money out.(I wish I’d known Dunkin Donuts was a good place to complete a gun transaction, it was cold out there in the parking lot!) After we shot the breeze for a few minutes and he decided to buy it from me, I told him that seeing as how we’d known each other online for a couple years I didnt feel the need to exchange drivers license numbers (which seems to be the common practice among most private gun sales I’ve ever been involved with) and just handed him a bill of sale with the serial number on it. A far cry from the "loophole mentality so many anti gunners seem to possess.

Anyway, he agreed that we didnt need to exchange drivers licenses, and handed me his business card back along with his half of the signed bill of sale… he was an FBI agent! I about fell over backwards convinced I was being set up and trying to recal my “exact” words… he was so busy reassuring me that he meant nothing by it and was thankfull for the fair deal on the rifle so he could teach his kid to shoot that it turned out to be pretty comical.

Bottom line is, even though I live a fair cry away from the big cities and civilization, I dont believe the statistics and claims about how casual and supposedly “negligent” most private party firearms transacitons truly are in America. I’ve seen private individuals with tables at gun shows refuse to sell to belligerant individuals, and folks who “looked like gangbangers” (thats right, private parties at gun shows are allowed to “profile” folks) The vast majority of us private gun owners are upstanding, law abiding citizens and are pretty choosy about who we will conduct private transactions with.
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now wait a moment

I don’t think that you can make that categorization

While Washington DC has the highest crime rate,
#2 is big wide open Arizona

and #3 is the state where I live, South Carolina. a very rural and gun toting state
they all boast about how polite they are and it is “ma’am” and “sir” all the time
BUT
the crime statistics for this state are horrible compared to the big city I grew up in
A quick search on the internet turns up many different statistics. This one here shows Arizona as number 4 and SC number 7. Even if Arizona was number 2 right behind DC, you are ignoring the fact there are major drug related crimes in that state, most especially considering their proximity to Mexico.
 
You have accused me of distorting the facts and being dishonest.
But I have given you here video taped proof of the gun show loophole according to which criminals can buy and sell guns at gun shows with no id, and no background check.
youtube.com/watch?v=EGJ-BLHXl9c&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=cc97OUyMkQA&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=Gq2faC-u87g&feature=fvw
youtube.com/watch?v=baPgr_tw79Q&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=9L_s7N-I5SA
youtube.com/watch?v=4b-ztawuh98
You now claim that this is being done at Dunkin donuts.

Since I have been accused of being dishonest and a liar, and yet I have shown everyone here videotaped proof of the gun show loophole, show your honesty about Dunkin Donuts and show us the documentary proof of your statement that gun sales are taking place at Dunkin Donuts. How many gun sales in the past year have taken place at Dunkin Donut locations?
Let us see who is the honest one here.
No one is denying it happens; but It is dishonest b/c you potray it as if it ONLY happens at gun shows and this is a provision mistakingly left out of the 1968 legislation, neither of which is true.
 
now wait a moment

I don’t think that you can make that categorization

While Washington DC has the highest crime rate,
#2 is big wide open Arizona

and #3 is the state where I live, South Carolina. a very rural and gun toting state
they all boast about how polite they are and it is “ma’am” and “sir” all the time
BUT
the crime statistics for this state are horrible compared to the big city I grew up in
Yes you can make that generalization. Arizona isn’t 100% rural, and neither is South Carolina. Both boast large cities and have issues with illegal aliens and gangs.

There will always be exceptions to every rule, but those exceptions invariably prove the rules.
 
You have accused me of distorting the facts and being dishonest.
But I have given you here video taped proof of the gun show loophole according to which criminals can buy and sell guns at gun shows with no id, and no background check.
youtube.com/watch?v=EGJ-BLHXl9c&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=cc97OUyMkQA&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=Gq2faC-u87g&feature=fvw
youtube.com/watch?v=baPgr_tw79Q&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=9L_s7N-I5SA
youtube.com/watch?v=4b-ztawuh98
You now claim that this is being done at Dunkin donuts.

Since I have been accused of being dishonest and a liar, and yet I have shown everyone here videotaped proof of the gun show loophole, show your honesty about Dunkin Donuts and show us the documentary proof of your statement that gun sales are taking place at Dunkin Donuts. How many gun sales in the past year have taken place at Dunkin Donut locations?
Let us see who is the honest one here.
Read the laws and you will see the proof that they are just as applicable to gun shows as they are to Dunkin Donuts.

Now please provide proof that your videos are not staged. Because if there were evidence like that showing people conducting criminal activity they would be in jail.
 
…(I wish I’d known Dunkin Donuts was a good place to complete a gun transaction, it was cold out there in the parking lot!) …
Anyway, he agreed that we didnt need to exchange drivers licenses, and handed me his business card back along with his half of the signed bill of sale… he was an FBI agent! …
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Insert Cop/Donut Shop joke here…😃
 
Read the laws and you will see the proof that they are just as applicable to gun shows as they are to Dunkin Donuts.

Now please provide proof that your videos are not staged. Because if there were evidence like that showing people conducting criminal activity they would be in jail.
YouTube doesn’t allow criminal content; videos that show such are usually removed.

However, YouTube won’t censor lies or propaganda, as that is not a crime.

Makes you wonder…
 
Sorry I’m a little late to this topic but if anyone is giving out revolvers I’ll take one!👍

Truthfully I am interested in buying some guns -mainly for home protection and critter control so if anyone wants to pm me with what you want to sell I might be interested.

Maybe this could be a new fund raiser for the forum if they take a % of sales:D
 
After we shot the breeze for a few minutes and he decided to buy it from me, I told him that seeing as how we’d known each other online for a couple years I didnt feel the need to exchange drivers license numbers (which seems to be the common practice among most private gun sales I’ve ever been involved with) and just handed him a bill of sale with the serial number on it. A far cry from the "loophole mentality so many anti gunners seem to possess.
Here is the real loop hole: If someone has a driver’s license they are authorized to opperate the most deadly weapon of our day on the streets. If someone should not get access to a weapon then they shouldn’t have a driver’s license. Therefore if they have a driver’s license, there is no reason they should not be able to buy a weapon much less deadly than an auto. Codifying this would be a lot more efficient that a beauracratic background check system.
 
Sorry I’m a little late to this topic but if anyone is giving out revolvers I’ll take one!👍

Truthfully I am interested in buying some guns -mainly for home protection and critter control so if anyone wants to pm me with what you want to sell I might be interested.

Maybe this could be a new fund raiser for the forum if they take a % of sales:D
buying a firearm from someone you do not know may back fire (pun intended). If you are not an expert and buy a weapon from other than a reputable dealer, take it to a gun smith and have it checked out. Of course for the cost of getting it checked out you may as well just buy from a reputable dealer whom you can take it back to if there is a problem.
 
Sorry I’m a little late to this topic but if anyone is giving out revolvers I’ll take one!👍

Truthfully I am interested in buying some guns -mainly for home protection and critter control so if anyone wants to pm me with what you want to sell I might be interested.

Maybe this could be a new fund raiser for the forum if they take a % of sales:D
Honestly, I would own a few guns if not for the fees and red tape. It really does work as a deterrent.

I would like to have them for home protection, and protection on the street. There are many places I would feel more free to visit with some extra armament in the car.

And there are plenty of critters that yes, we could use fewer of.

But all sorts of laws… which I might say are quite wrong… are in place to prevent all of the above. It is for the most part out in the open too… the lie is ‘safety’ the deeper reason is ‘take away guns we don’t like guns’ and the deepest reason is ‘keep the people helpless and needing us and our control’.
 
Read the laws and you will see the proof that they are just as applicable to gun shows as they are to Dunkin Donuts. .
Hey everyone, do you feel safer as more and more people are bringing loaded guns and assault weapons into Dunkin Donuts, Starbucks, restaurants and Catholic Churches. And do you like this idea of selling guns to anyone with no background checks, no ID’s, and no registration? This is what these gun manufacturers and gun dealers want. This is their hidden agenda. They want the criminals to have the right to buy guns and assault weapons not only at gun shows but also at places such as your local Dunkin Donut, without any ID, and no background check, and no registration. This is so because as more and more criminals are able to buy guns on the gray market without registering them, people will justifiably become fearful and go out and become a client of the gun manufacturer by purchasing their own gun out of fear for their safety. Thus we see a spiral of more profit for these gun manufacturers in motion. Presently more than 30,000 U.S. men, women and children die each year from gunshot wounds, the highest homicide rate from guns in the world. Of those 30,000 deaths, only about 1,500 are due to accidental shootings. As more and more unregistered guns become available to the criminal element, this horrible cancer of death and sorrow from gunshot wounds will only go up.
 
Hey everyone, do you feel safer as more and more people are bringing loaded guns and assault weapons into Dunkin Donuts, Starbucks, restaurants and Catholic Churches. And do you like this idea of selling guns to anyone with no background checks, no ID’s, and no registration? This is what these gun manufacturers and gun dealers want. This is their hidden agenda. They want the criminals to have the right to buy guns and assault weapons not only at gun shows but also at places such as your local Dunkin Donut, without any ID, and no background check, and no registration. This is so because as more and more criminals are able to buy guns on the gray market without registering them, people will justifiably become fearful and go out and become a client of the gun manufacturer by purchasing their own gun out of fear for their safety. Thus we see a spiral of more profit for these gun manufacturers in motion. Presently more than 30,000 U.S. men, women and children die each year from gunshot wounds, the highest homicide rate from guns in the world. Of those 30,000 deaths, only about 1,500 are due to accidental shootings. As more and more unregistered guns become available to the criminal element, this horrible cancer of death and sorrow from gunshot wounds will only go up.
**I fear the criminals who wear uniforms. **

When I had a store I hired a policeman to watch the people. Then I would watch the policeman! Policemen do not make much money, and some of them like to steal too. Additionally, the only highway robbers that I know are the ones who wear uniforms. Remember New Orleans and hurricane Katrina!
 
Why Switzerland has one of the lowest crime rates in the world

youtube.com/watch?v=6nf1OgV449g
Interesting video. At the end of this video he states that:
The key to (“freedom”) is being able to defend oneself…with firearms of course.

Not exactly how I would define freedom

How would such a statement be contested against what Jesus said:

Those Who Live By The Sword Will Die By The Sword.
Sure there might be a 1001 justifiable reasons why one might want to carry a firearm, but I seriously question it defining the true meaning of freedom.
 

HOMELAND REBELLION

State plan fines feds $2,000 over gun rules
2 years in jail also possible for agent enforcing U.S. regulations on firearm

By Bob Unruh
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Wyoming has joined a growing list of states with self-declared exemptions from federal gun regulation of weapons made, bought and used inside state borders – but lawmakers in the Cowboy State have taken the issue one step further, adopting significant penalties for federal agents attempting to enforce Washington’s rules.

According to a law signed into effect yesterday by Democratic Gov. Dave Freudenthal, any agent of the U.S. who “enforces or attempts to enforce” federal gun rules on a “personal firearm” in Wyoming faces a felony conviction and a penalty of up to two years in prison and up to $2,000 in fines.

WND reported just days ago when Utah became the third state, joining Montana and Tennessee, to adopt an exemption from federal regulations for weapons built, sold and kept within state borders.

A lawsuit is pending over the Montana law, which was the first to go into effect.

But Wyoming’s law goes further, stating, “Any official, agent or employee of the United States government who enforces or attempts to enforce any act, order, law, statute, rule or regulation of the United States government upon a personal firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Wyoming and that remains exclusively within the borders of Wyoming shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, shall be subject to imprisonment for not more than two (2) years, a fine of not more than two thousand dollars ($2,000.00), or both.”
 
Hey everyone, do you feel safer as more and more people are bringing loaded guns and assault weapons into Dunkin Donuts, Starbucks, restaurants and Catholic Churches. And do you like this idea of selling guns to anyone with no background checks, no ID’s, and no registration? This is what these gun manufacturers and gun dealers want. This is their hidden agenda. They want the criminals to have the right to buy guns and assault weapons not only at gun shows but also at places such as your local Dunkin Donut, without any ID, and no background check, and no registration. This is so because as more and more criminals are able to buy guns on the gray market without registering them, people will justifiably become fearful and go out and become a client of the gun manufacturer by purchasing their own gun out of fear for their safety. Thus we see a spiral of more profit for these gun manufacturers in motion. Presently more than 30,000 U.S. men, women and children die each year from gunshot wounds, the highest homicide rate from guns in the world. Of those 30,000 deaths, only about 1,500 are due to accidental shootings. As more and more unregistered guns become available to the criminal element, this horrible cancer of death and sorrow from gunshot wounds will only go up.
Oh, please.

I am licensed to carry a handgun, and I haven’t hurt anybody. There are millions like me around the country. As the famous bumper sticker says, “Ted Kennedy’s car has killed more people than my gun has.”

Inflammatory (not to mention incorrect) statements such as yours don’t add to the debate.

More people are killed every year by drunk drivers than by firearm murders, and a quarter-million people are injured every year in alcohol-related crashes…so which should we ban? Cars or alcohol?
 
Oh, please.

I am licensed to carry a handgun, and I haven’t hurt anybody. There are millions like me around the country. As the famous bumper sticker says, “Ted Kennedy’s car has killed more people than my gun has.”

Inflammatory (not to mention incorrect) statements such as yours don’t add to the debate.

More people are killed every year by drunk drivers than by firearm murders, and a quarter-million people are injured every year in alcohol-related crashes…so which should we ban? Cars or alcohol?
I took you seriously until I read the third sentence.

Its obvious that most of the gun huggers would ever understand the true purpose of cars vs. handguns. Enjoy your weapons because if things go the way they are predicted, you’ll have to turn them in when the laws change regarding ownership rules.
 
Enjoy your weapons because if things go the way they are predicted, you’ll have to turn them in when the laws change regarding ownership rules.
“…go they way they are predicted…”? By whom? Gun-control laws have been relaxing recently, in case you haven’t noticed. Most states now allow some form of concealed-carry–which has not, contrary to the predictions of gun-control advocates, caused a tidal wave of shootings anywhere the laws have been enacted. Several states are considering, or have passed, open-carry laws…which means you’ll be able to actually *see *the evil things! (The horror!)

Out-of-control gun violence, especially with handguns, has instead been in places where firearms are the most restricted, such as Chicago or DC. Lawmakers are reluctant to even introduce new gun-control legislation because the first casualty of it is often the legislators who vote for it.

In other words, they won’t be prying anything out of my cold, dead hands for a while. (Oh, wait, I better mention that that’s a humorous reference, since you seem unable to detect it otherwise.)

I suppose next you’re going to tell me that the only purpose of a handgun is to kill human beings…which reflects only how much you don’t know about firearm sports. I’m a fairly typical shooter, I suppose–I’ve fired thousands of rounds of ammunition, never once at a human being. Anything wrong with that?

And for the record, years ago I had someone break into my apartment while I was home; where I live, by law I could have shot him full of holes, but I just ran him off. He never even knew I had a gun; I wasn’t brandishing it like in some movie poster. I don’t *want *to hurt anybody–but by God, if someone tries to hurt me or my family, he’d better be prepared to die. I’m not that forgiving.

So what is it that you’re really opposed to? The thought that something might be misused? That can happen anytime, with anything. Or is it the thought that individuals shouldn’t have the self-sufficiency to defend themselves–that only “authorities” are equipped to save us from ourselves? (“When seconds count, the police are only minutes away,” as they say.)

Look, if you think guns are bad, don’t buy any; I firmly believe people have the right not to bear arms as much as to bear them. Better yet, if you think owning guns is wrong, be brave enough to put up a sign on your lawn declaring your house to be a “weapon-free zone”. Get your neighbors to do the same. Let me know how that works for you.
 
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