Rich nations must assume environmental duties: pope

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The pope is right, and it is everyone’s responsibility to keep this world as clean as we can

I am not a believer in Global warming, but I do believe we need to give the future the same chance that we have had for a clean world
 
Since the 70’s pollution of all kinds have decreased in the US- why? Because we had the money to do it. When you have a “global” summit like Denmark where the 3rd world is looking for billions in handouts-they walked out of the talks on Monday because there was not enough MONEY to be given to them-you realize its not about the environment- ITS ABOUT MONEY.Temerature has decreased in the last 10 years.We are now starting to get into an orbit around the sun which takes us farther away in our north summer and closer in the winter. I remember (I’m 53) when I don’t remember his first name but he was/is a NASA scientist (Hansen?) said that the world was headed for a new ice age. Now he is the greatest proponent of manmade warming the world has seen. I wish Feynman was still alive. He was the physicist who at the hearings about the failure of the space shuttle tiles simply put a piece of tile into ice water and showed how britlle it became.You can’t improve the environment until you reach a point where the system can to do it. The only system that has improved its environment in the last 50 years is the CAPITALIST SYSTEM.
 
I believe that rdscheirer is correct that it is all about money.

And it’s not about pollution. It’s about carbon dioxide. And carbon dioxide is not pollution. CO2 is a natural constituent of the atmosphere, which enables plants to produce oxygen.

China and India are not about to sign on to any reduction in the use of coal or oil fired generating plants. They would be crazy not to use the cheapest and most efficient fuels available–and that’s coal, and oil. They might be willing to build a few wind and solar plants, which produce more expensive energy. But they’ll want us to pay for it. And why would we want to further wreck our economy in the midst of a deepening recession?
 
And why would we want to further wreck our economy in the midst of a deepening recession?
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Because people have been told for decades they are murdering the planet by doing such things as driving a bigger car or using an incandescent light bulb. Now they are convinced of their guilt and will latch onto anything, no matter how silly, no matter if it does exactly what it doesn’t propose to do, only so they can feel they are doing something positive to help.

The average person reading a story in the paper about polar bears being stranded on ever-shrinking sea ice isn’t going to research the story. They read it, they accept it as it is. They won’t go online or to a library and find out that polar bears swim intentionally in the sea, sometimes hundreds of miles out to sea and back again. They won’t go research the data on sea ice, glacial ice, and polar ice mass to learn any distinctions between them, it’s all ice to them. They picture a globe with the top and bottom white one year, and no white at some year in the future, never stopping to think how that could be in a region where the air temperature runs -65°F to +10°F during the season.

It makes people feel like they are doing something.
 
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Because people have been told for decades they are murdering the planet by doing such things as driving a bigger car or using an incandescent light bulb. Now they are convinced of their guilt and will latch onto anything, no matter how silly, no matter if it does exactly what it doesn’t propose to do, only so they can feel they are doing something positive to help.

The average person reading a story in the paper about polar bears being stranded on ever-shrinking sea ice isn’t going to research the story. They read it, they accept it as it is. They won’t go online or to a library and find out that polar bears swim intentionally in the sea, sometimes hundreds of miles out to sea and back again. They won’t go research the data on sea ice, glacial ice, and polar ice mass to learn any distinctions between them, it’s all ice to them. They picture a globe with the top and bottom white one year, and no white at some year in the future, never stopping to think how that could be in a region where the air temperature runs -65°F to +10°F during the season.

It makes people feel like they are doing something.
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And they are doing something. By abetting this agenda, they will help to increase fuel prices, thereby raising all prices, at the very time when the global economy, led by the U.S., is through unprecedented spending preparing to turn a global recession into a global depression. Not good for the developing nations (or any nations) which could use a dose of economic growth rather than government takeover.
 
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I wish Feynman was still alive. He was the physicist who at the hearings about the failure of the space shuttle tiles simply put a piece of tile into ice water and showed how britlle it became.
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Feynman addressed the increasing brittleness of the solid rocket booster o-ring seals with decreasing temperature. The SRB is segmented and the rubber-like o-rings seal the joints between the segments (i.e., keep the hot, high pressure combustion gases on the inside from leaking out). O-ring seal failure caused the Challenger disaster. Challenger launched on a very cold day. The Columbia disaster was caused by tile damage due to chunks of external tank foam insulation popping off during boost and hitting the tiles. The damaged tiles then failed to protect the shuttle when reentering the earth’s atmosphere prior to landing. This is a period of extreme heating during a typical shuttle mission.
 
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