Rick Santorum: Kids seeking gun control should be 'taking CPR classes' instead

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PaulinVA said:
Rick Santorum is irrelevant. He is also an idiot.
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Both your points may be valid, but there is a kernel of truth in what he says, kids do need to learn practical response training to abnormal situations. I got it from my boy scout training and being a lifeguard, not school. It would be good if schools also taught some practical emergency skills.
 
Theo, I also don’t disagree with you in general.

But, the answer to school shootings is not learning first aid. It’s preventing school shootings.
 
Why not both?

Police officers are trained to stop active shooters, and provide aid for victims. I know when I was in High School my whole class (who passed the test) were CPR certified in health class. Of course I have greatly different ideas on how to prevent school shooting than the gun control protestors
 
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Right. “Stop! Don’t shoot, or I’ll perform CPR on you!”
 
PaulinVA said:
Theo, I also don’t disagree with you in general.

But, the answer to school shootings is not learning first aid. It’s preventing school shootings.
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It was natural for this incident to trigger his thought,
but he was an idiot for expressing it as a response.
 
It strikes me this has brought out a lot of idiotic responses. Some of the NRA’s mouthpieces have said some astonishingly stupid things.

It strikes me the pro gun groups should probably take a considerably more measured response. A lot of those kids aren’t that many years from voting age, and it would seem wiser to find a way to communicate with them that didn’t amount to “sit down and be quiet you stupid meddling teenagers.”
 
Let’s say a small town suddenly becomes infested with poisonous snakes. There are calls to have animal control find and eliminate the snake nests. Someone says, “No, instead of trying to eliminate the snakes let’s teach the families to wear tall boots and learn how to make anti-venom.” The problem is that, as others have pointed out, it’s not an either/or situation. Preventative measures can be taken while at the same time steps could be done to minimize damage if tragedy strikes.

This sort of leads to another issue I have with the gun control debate: When people say that certain measures won’t eliminate the problem. I agree that there is no magic bullet (pardon the phrasing) that will eliminate gun violence. But if a measure could reduce gun violence it must at least be considered and not thrown away because it is not 100% effective.
 
I remember reading about the postmortems performed on the Sandy Hook children that not one of them had any hope of being saved, CPR or not. AR15 bullets are designed to make mush of the internal organs. CPR would be a relative measure if school shooters were only permitted to use handguns or perhaps air rifles.
 
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I remember reading about the postmortems performed on the Sandy Hook children that not one of them had any hope of being saved, CPR or not. AR15 bullets are designed to make mush of the internal organs.
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Rick Santorum and other American politicians have no problem in giving hundreds of billions of dollars to the military as they supposedly protect people in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, and are stationed in so many other places all over the world, but when it comes to providing a much smaller amount for school security in the USA, the best they can do is to demand that students learn CPR so that they can revive other students who have been shot while attending school. But this solution by the American politicians is worth very little to those students who are dead or near death from being shot.
 
Rick seems clueless. There is a reason his current title is Ex-Senator.
 
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You are reading sci-fy again.
No bullets are designed to “make mush” of your internal organs.
 
Theo520 said:
You are reading sci-fy again.
No bullets are designed to “make mush” of your internal organs.
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“A hospital radiologist who treated several victims of last week’s deadly school shooting in Parkland- Florida, has described in graphic detail the catastrophic impact of high-velocity AR-15 bullets, explaining that they are more lethal than the rest because they don’t simply damage, but decimate human organs.”

‘Organs look like overripe melons smashed by a sledgehammer’

What credentials are your assertions based on?
 
Lev said:
I remember reading about the postmortems performed on the Sandy Hook children that not one of them had any hope of being saved, CPR or not. AR15 bullets are designed to make mush of the internal organs. CPR would be a relative measure if school shooters were only permitted to use handguns or perhaps air rifles.
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Theo520 said:
No bullets are designed to “make mush” of your internal organs.
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Here’s an article you might both find interesting:

 
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Lev:
I remember reading about the postmortems performed on the Sandy Hook children that not one of them had any hope of being saved, CPR or not. AR15 bullets are designed to make mush of the internal organs. CPR would be a relative measure if school shooters were only permitted to use handguns or perhaps air rifles.
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Theo520 said:
No bullets are designed to “make mush” of your internal organs.
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Here’s an article you might both find interesting:

The AR-15 Is Different: What I Learned Treating Parkland Victims - The Atlantic
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I wonder if Theo will realise that his belief posted above is definitely from a propaganda source trying to deceive with false information?
 
It’s hyperbole, he didn’t even support what you said, so you add more hyperbole?

Neither of you have any qualifications on how the thing was designed.
 
Theo520 said:
It’s hyperbole, he didn’t even support what you said, so you add more hyperbole?

Neither of you have any qualifications on how the thing was designed.
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You are having some trouble admitting that you fell for propaganda. The radiologist involved in the post mortems is quoted as saying "The organ looked like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer, and was bleeding extensively. "

I’m quoting a relevant professional. What is your expert source which denies this?
 
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