Rick Santorum: Let’s call secularism a religion so it can be banned from the classroom

[CaptFun]

I guess they don’t teach that figure any more now that the birth rate in the industrial world has fallen below even 2 children per couple.

2.1 is the replacement rate where a population remains stable. I guess the 0.1 has to be factored in to account for deaths of people before they are of reproduction age.
Before there was a global warming crisis, there was a population explosion crisis. Im fact, they are all part of the same message, that people are a liability to both society, and to the life of the planet itself.

We’re veering into the population gospel segment of secularism here a bit - but it’s part of the same (ersatz) “religion”. Part of what made Social Security “work” when it was first implemented was that there were so many more people contributing to the program (young people) than there were drawing money out. Factor in the people who died before collecting their SSI and voila – :juggle:** - it’s working!**

Factor in the sub replacement level population now conrtibuting to the program and the teeming number of baby boomers about to finally access their monies - and NOW there’s a problem. SSI was presented in such a way that people thought they had their own accounts - and that their lifetime of contributions was kept safe in a “lock box” like Al Gore alluded to once.

But the government did what it pleased with the money (after paying out SSI to those getting it) - more like a slush fund. And what did it matter as long as those who lived long enough got their due?

Look for more unsponsored secular commercials in contemporary entertainment and the mainstream media touting euthanasia as the generous, and “correct” thing to do (yourself … or FOR your parents!). In a morally relative world that will make $en$e.

 

[CaptFun]

In Related News …
School bans Christian Club… again

foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/06/school-bans-christian-club-again/

“This is not a complicated issue,” Sasser wrote. “Simply put, public schools cannot discriminate against religious clubs and must treat them equally, and provide them equal access to school facilities, as non-religious clubs.”

Attorney Sasser was able to compile a list of all the school’s clubs – 33 in all. They’ve got everything from a fishing club to a ceramics club. They even have a Gay-Straight Alliance.

“They let all these other clubs meet with no problem whatsoever,” John told me. “But the second me and my friends mention faith or mention God, they get up in arms about it – like there’s something wrong with believing in these things.”

Club meetings are held in classrooms. Religious clubs formed by the students themselves are banned. This is the sort of thing Senator Santorum is referencing in his comments. IMO.

 

[Path_Finder]

In Related News …
School bans Christian Club… again

foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/06/school-bans-christian-club-again/

Club meetings are held in classrooms. Religious clubs formed by the students themselves are banned. This is the sort of thing Senator Santorum is referencing in his comments. IMO.

The Supreme Court has ordered the de-Christianization of all public institutions in what was a predominantly Christian country. Christian holy days, holidays, Bibles, books, prayers and invocations were all declared to be impermissible in public schools and the public square.

Secular humanism became, through Supreme Court edict, our established religion in the United States.

buchanan.org/blog/judicial-dictatorship-7010

A bit in the vein of this thread, in fact, perhaps this is what we are seeing.

 

[glendab]

Thanks for the link. I like this: “That’s right, Trudy. They want your son to shut up. They want to marginalize these young Christian teenagers and make them think there’s something inappropriate, something sleazyabout their religious beliefs. But what’s truly sleazy is government-employed bigots continuing to bully Christian teens trying to do good deeds.”

foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/06/school-bans-christian-club-again/

Go Todd Go!

I think the views of the schools arbiter of discipline has a few things in common with some of the Catholics who commented on this thread regarding the public school library NOT being the place for anything written by a Christian either. Sad but true.

Glenda

 

[Path_Finder]

I think “Patriot Voices” is associated with Rick Santorum.

patriotvoices.com/

Santorum seems to be making the news today, not only about some “possible Presidential run” stories if one searches the news out.

But also, I seem to hear that he heard about the WMDs back when this story the NY Times has been breaking currently.

A bit complex.

See, Karl Rove wanted to cover up the fact that they were finding these older chemical weapons in Iraq.

Well, as we know the press demonized Bush over this and this probably was not good for Rick Santorum’s Senate reelection bid back in 2006. I’ve also heard people from PA. say they are disappointed Rick seemed to support Arlen Spector too. I don’t know the particulars.

To people familiar with the issue, both inside that administration and outside, the blame for the coverup falls on one particular set of shoulders: Rove’s.

From the perspective of** Rick Santorum**, a Republican senator from Pennsylvania who lost his seat in 2006, some of the weapons of mass destruction President Bush promised would be in Iraq before the 2003 invasion of the country began turning up as early as 2004.

In an interview with The Daily Beast, Santorum said he and his staff began receiving photographs of discarded sarin and mustard-gas shells from U.S. soldiers in 2004. Two years later, when he was up for re-election, Santorum even went public with some of this information in a press conference disclosing a Pentagon report that found 500 chemical-weapons shells had been found in Iraq.

One might think a politically vulnerable Bush White House would’ve seized on Santorum’s discovery. After all, Bush and his subordinates famously accused Iraq of having active weapons of mass destruction programs.

Read more at:
thehayride.com/2014/10/republican-donors-really-ought-to-blackball-karl-rove/

Rove is bad news it seems.

 

[CaptFun]

I think “Patriot Voices” is associated with Rick Santorum.

patriotvoices.com/

Santorum seems to be making the news today, not only about some “possible Presidential run” stories if one searches the news out.

But also, I seem to hear that he heard about the WMDs back when this story the NY Times has been breaking currently.

A bit complex.

See, Karl Rove wanted to cover up the fact that they were finding these older chemical weapons in Iraq.

Well, as we know the press demonized Bush over this and this probably was not good for Rick Santorum’s Senate reelection bid back in 2006. I’ve also heard people from PA. say they are disappointed Rick seemed to support Arlen Spector too. I don’t know the particulars.

Rove is bad news it seems.

Per the finding of chemical weapons (I think those were WMDs!).

Fox News - June 22, 2006

foxnews.com/story/2006/06/22/report-hundreds-wmds-found-in-iraq/

nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?_r=1

huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/15/bush-iraq-wmds_n_5990624.html

That NYT Story On Abandoned Munitions Doesn’t Prove Bush Was Right About WMDs – ?! Huffington Post goes wild in its efforts to convince us that what MATTERS is not that WMDs were found in Iraq … but that that program of Saddam’s was not ACTIVE! :newidea: :nope:

Hmm. Saddam said there were none. BUT kept UN inspectors from going many places. He was told to give them up. He gave up a few scud missiles. After a cursory search for them after Iraq was overrun … an announcement was made by the Bush Administration that they’d been wrong about there being WMDs after all.

Later, when WMDs began turning up in many places (and harming US soldiers ordered to transport them) … it was all hush, hush. Santorum reads from a declassified memo about the truth of the matter … and it was barely news.

HuffPo is all out of sorts. It can’t deny that there*** were *“abandoned munitions” < (how do they know they were abandoned? Nazi General Rommel used to bury munitions for security and quick access). But there they WERE. Stuff Saddam by treaty was to have turned over (or at LEAST had inspected and noted by the UN) and did NOT.

Re: Santorum and Specter. The latter helped Santorum get elected initially and promoted to being a Senate Candidate. Specter was a moderate … but was on the judiciary committee and did cast the critical votes that nominated most of the “conservative majority” including Clarence Thomas. Pennsylvania conservatives preferred current Senator Pat Toomey to Specter, but Santorum supported his old mentor … even though it appears that Toomey’s politics were closer to Santorum’s.

Rush Limbaugh said Santorum “took one for the team” at the request of the Bush Administration (possibly including Rove) who were afraid that Toomey wouldn’t win and that the Senate would fall to the Democrats (along with easier affirmation of judges). It IS complicated. Santorum lost big in 2006 to pro-life Democrat (not a misprint) Bob Casey Jr. Still Santorum ran stronger than Bush’s disapproval numbers in Pennsylvania at the time. It didn’t help Santorum when Specter switched parties after losing a later GOP primary.

 

[Robert_Bay]

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[CaptFun]

wlox.com/story/26366166/humanist-group-threatens-jps-lawsuit-over-prayer

The Jackson Public School District acknowledges receiving a letter from the Appignani Humanist Legal Center regarding events taking place during the 2014 Convocation ceremony. The JPS Legal Department is reviewing the letter and will respond appropriately as needed. The annual Convocation program is a celebratory event intended to invigorate employees with enthusiasm, pride, and excitement for the beginning of a new school year.

This is not the first metro area school district to be sued by this organization.

These groups sue school districts … taking money away from education, school maintenance, teachers, etc. even when they LOSE. When they win … they GET $.

Sometimes they “win” with out of court settlements. Secularism takes religious stands, so … it is an anti-religion religion (AND there have been states like the USSR where it WAS “established” as the state religion de facto).

While I took Santorum’s comments as a serious satire with dark humor - there is evidence that such a ruling as he proposes might save our schools from ongoing legal raids from litigious (and insincere IMO) opportunists.

Come to think of it … it doesn’t really matter if they ARE sincere. The Judiciary should scrutinize cases where public entities like school districts, hospitals, churches, and cities are sued - before even hearing the cases. Some of them deserve “contempt of court” rulings for gaming the legal system for personal profit at the expense of everyone else. And clogging up the system so that legitimate legal claims must wait for justice while their tomfoolery is dispensed with … or rewarded.

Mostly I believe such suits are a convenient “racket” - and don’t really accomplish much for anyone but the few bringing them.

 

[CaptFun]

With a new Senate majority and an increased majority in the house will the GOP’s committee chairs investigate groups that seek to (unconstitutionally) prevent “the free exercise thereof” regarding even the slightest mention of God or religion … and sue school districts (and cities and hospitals and park districts, etc.) and lots and lots of monies that would otherwise go to the public good?

Rick Santorum is no longer a Senator, but the Senate and Congress can conduct such investigations … even by subcommittees. If nothing else such might “raise awareness” of what (self-serving IMO) groups like the American Humanist Association and the Freedom From Religion Foundation are doing for fun and profit.

ffrf.org/legal/challenges/ongoing-lawsuits#id-16265

Ongoing Lawsuits - Legal - Freedom From Religion Foundation
FFRF Member Sues Warren MI After Censorship in Michigan
FFRF sues Orange County schools over literature discrimination in Florida
FFRF sues florist in Rhode Island for refusing flower order for Jessica Ahlquist in Rhode Island
FFRF and parents seek removal of Ten Commandments monuments in front of two Penn. public schools – in Pennsylvania
FFRF sues IRS for preferential treatment of churches, which are exempt from filing fees, filing Form 990 – Nationally, against a possibly sympathetic group that might cave (IMO) and establish legal precedent
FFRF, students, bring suit over graduation and school board prayers
FFRF challenges Catholic shrine on Big Mountain – state and national parks
FFRF v. Lew Parish Exemption (US District Court Western District of Wisconsin) (Sept. 13, 2011) – in Wisconsin
FFRF Sues Colorado Governor Over Prayer Proclamations – in Colorado

google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=lawsuits+by+AHA+American+Humanist+Association+against+School+Districts&gbv=2&oq=lawsuits+by+AHA+American+Humanist+Association+against+School+Districts&gs_l=heirloom-hp.12…3276.27036.0.31128.70.9.0.59.3.0.141.909.0j7.7.0…0…1ac.1.34.heirloom-hp…61.9.802.dkXkr6jUMt4

… Colorado, Missouri, New Jersey (with an aim to take “under God” out of the Pledge of Allegiance nationally), and on and on the little cottage industry goes …

 

[CaptFun]

foxnews.com/opinion/2014/11/10/school-tells-kids-stop-praying-to-jesus-singing-amazing-grace/

School tells kids: Stop praying to Jesus, singing Amazing Grace

Possibly worthy of its own thread … this current story details some secular bullying IMO. The students were quietly meeting like many another club does on campus.

Would the same school deny space to say, a same sex attraction club singing anthems by gay artists?

I’m glad Santorum and some others have this kind of thing under scrutiny. Even though he’s rather more an observer at this point (and not in the Senate where the subject might be investigated with hearings for instance).

 

[CaptFun]

washingtonpost.com/local/education/christmas-stricken-from-school-calendar-after-muslims-ask-for-equal-treatment/2014/11/11/f1b789a6-6931-11e4-a31c-77759fc1eacc_story.html?hpid=z3

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Holidays’ names stricken from next year’s Montgomery schools calendar

Even when it’s instituted by another faith seeking “equal time” (or was it really the restricting of the religious “free exercise thereof” guaranteed in the Constitution?) – the net result is –

A victory for secular anti-religionists in the culture war (that they are waging).

It’s a “solution” that is ready to be applied in many places where the “right situation” hasn’t come up yet, IMO.

Father, all powerful and ever living God, we do well always and everywhere to give you thanks and praise. – excerpt from Eucharistic Prayer I from the Catholic Mass

 

[glendab]

Hello Capt.

washingtonpost.com/local/education/christmas-stricken-from-school-calendar-after-muslims-ask-for-equal-treatment/2014/11/11/f1b789a6-6931-11e4-a31c-77759fc1eacc_story.html?hpid=z3

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Holidays’ names stricken from next year’s Montgomery schools calendar

Even when it’s instituted by another faith seeking “equal time” (or was it really the restricting of the religious “free exercise thereof” guaranteed in the Constitution?) – the net result is –

A victory for secular anti-religionists in the culture war (that they are waging).

It’s a “solution” that is ready to be applied in many places where the “right situation” hasn’t come up yet, IMO.

Hell, I’d go so far as to say they’d like to not only remove the name of the Holiday from the calendar, but also make the kids come to school that day as well. They DO know it is one of the holiest days of the year fro Christians and an obligatory day of rest and worship at Church, but if they could get away with it, there are those who would like to make it tougher on us Christians as a whole and simply eliminating the holiday from the calendar would do it. it would be enough for them to sit back knowing how much sweat it would create for us. Yeah, they Do do that on purpose.

Glenda

 

[Path_Finder]

Hello Capt.

Hell, I’d go so far as to say they’d like to not only remove the name of the Holiday from the calendar, but also make the kids come to school that day as well. They DO know it is one of the holiest days of the year fro Christians and an obligatory day of rest and worship at Church, but if they could get away with it, there are those who would like to make it tougher on us Christians as a whole and simply eliminating the holiday from the calendar would do it. it would be enough for them to sit back knowing how much sweat it would create for us. Yeah, they Do do that on purpose.

Glenda

Then that is only your own perspective, the story is about giving Muslim Holidays the same recognition.

So, it seems the story says the Muslim population is only around 5% of the school’s students. Too small to designate Muslim holidays I’d say, it would be the same for Buddhists too.

 

[CaptFun]

Hello Capt.

Hell, I’d go so far as to say they’d like to not only remove the name of the Holiday from the calendar, but also make the kids come to school that day as well. They DO know it is one of the holiest days of the year fro Christians and an obligatory day of rest and worship at Church, but if they could get away with it, there are those who would like to make it tougher on us Christians as a whole and simply eliminating the holiday from the calendar would do it. it would be enough for them to sit back knowing how much sweat it would create for us. Yeah, they Do do that on purpose.

Glenda

I’m inclined to agree. Last year a local district’s “Spring Break” was scheduled on neither end of the Easter holiday. It was bad enough when it began the day after Easter (when the time off did not “help” Christians observe Holy Days like Holy Thursday and Good Friday) - but moving the break well away from Easter … and hence any confusion with it or reference to it, does seem deliberate and aggressively secular in a social engineering way.

The people “doing it” … would probably not agree that their secularism is a religious position (or anti-), but the results are evidence of their targeting. Glad Santorum and others are “raising consciousness” on the issue.

 

[CaptFun]

Then that is only your own perspective, the story is about giving Muslim Holidays the same recognition.

So, it seems the story says the Muslim population is only around 5% of the school’s students. Too small to designate Muslim holidays I’d say, it would be the same for Buddhists too.

Well, the story began that way … but the secular factor was then applied to the problem.

It’s like multiplying by 0 … whatever other factors appear in the “problem” … the answer will be 0 (more secularism ensconced).

Was that what the Muslim initiators intended? Or were they co-opted too?

My guesses … no, and yes. But they’re just guesses … I guess.

 

[CaptFun]

When Did the Left Turn into Rick Santorum?
^ Not MY headline (but the piece notes the irrelevant - yet potent - secular PC attack on the scientist)

ricochet.com/left-turn-rick-santorum/


Rosetta Project astrophysicist Matt Taylor (above) being interviewed after a group he headed landed a probe on a speeding comet for the first time in human history. Parts of the secular mainstream media bullied him into a tearful apology for … his shirt choice! :banghead:

Rosetta Project astrophysicist Matt Taylor wore a celebratory shirt a lady friend had made for him to the press conference announcing the landing of space equipment on a moving comet - a huge milestone in human achievement. Through the alchemy of the left (according to this author) the BIG story BECAME the shirt (per writer Rose Eveleth’s piece in The Atlantic) … and how baaaaad Taylor was to have worn it. The dreaded name of Santorum was invoked in rebuttal … which on the other side of the looking glass ***might *** be considered the worst kind of counter shaming.

“The dude” is Rosetta Project astrophysicist Matt Taylor, who wore an intentionally kitschy bowling shirt covered with cartoons of ’80s-era pin-up girls holding sci-fi guns. It’s basically a parody of the tacky artwork that adorned everything from Duran Duran cassette covers to Trans Am hoods. Taylor is also covered shoulder-to-ankle in garish tattoos, has the requisite ironic hipster beard and holds international press conferences in surf shorts, purple socks and skater shoes.

Granted, I prefer my rocket scientists with crewcuts, skinny black ties and thick-rimmed glasses, but culture has devolved in the decades since the Mercury missions. That being said, what kind of a buzzkill would deny a brilliant physicist a silly, celebratory wardrobe on the greatest day of his professional life? …

… Several miserable harpies joined Ms. Eveleth on the public shaming, turning a staggering scientific achievement into a colloquy on restoring Victorian dress codes. For the record, the shirt was made by a woman named Elly Prizeman as a fun gift for her physicist friend. No doubt, she shall be placed in the village stockade for her grievous sin of consorting with a male and having her cartoon ladies show too much ankle. Her repentance will only be accepted when she covers them up in burkas.

While I disagreed with the caricature of Rick Santorum as the prototypical prude, the target this piece is aimed at probably do see him as such – sooo, might for THAT reason stop being as silly as this in the future.

Mr. Taylor then made the bad situation worse. Instead of telling these progressive puritans to go pound silicon dioxide, he issued a sobbing public confession straight out of a Maoist show trial. This guy just dropped a dishwasher on an ice cube 300 million miles from home and he’s groveling to a coven of D-list bloggers?

For years the left has characterized conservatives as joyless scolds forcing their morality on a resentful public. But they’ve upended this paradigm by becoming far more judgmental and censorious kpeople: than so-called social conservatives like Rick Santorum ever conceived of being. The left is demanding so many recantations, the ghost of Torquemada is rolling his eyes and muttering awk-wrrrd.

:clapping: I enjoyed the lively writing in the piece (which fits with this thread for multiple reasons) - and almost as much - some of the following comments on it:

Derek Simmons

And on my way home tonight, car radio tuned to NPR–I know, I know–what ever comes next I deserve–their coverage of ROSETTA was TA DAH: the naked lady shirt and how it offended and hurt and set back women in science. I’d yell “get a grip” but how can you get a grip on squish?

Foxfier

Of course he apologized. He’s got two kids to care for, he doesn’t want to lose his livelihood to this mob.

As several folks have pointed out, it’s standard bullying. The geek just did something awesome? And he looks kind of cool? ATTACK!

 

[CaptFun]

Somebody ELSE can make this its own thread if they wish …

I post it here because if fits with the kind of secularism that is promoted in public, tax supported schools – even as every vague reference to anything suggesting God gets fought against and scrutinized as if something terrible is happening.

***Report: Chicago schools teaching ‘safe’ anal sex to 5th graders

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eagnews.org/report-chicago-schools-teaching-safe-anal-sex-to-5th-graders/

And to think … THIS in the very “community the President organized”.

Surely Rahm Emmanuel didn’t know about this. I mean if whole music and art programs … and even schools can be shut down in Chicago … over the cries of parents, students (and more important, Teachers Union members); well the kids need SOME sort of electives. This brings in a bit of biology, physical education, cultural awareness, health, and supporting third world rubber exporting countries. Why do anything else?

We should tell these people to …

… hmm, no :nope: … that’s what they’re telling the kids to do.

A classic example of what should be banned from the classrooms of tax supported schools. Targeting 5th graders. Absolutely disgusting. Call this anti-religion religion what it is. GET it banned. Prosecute these people for contributing to the delinquency of minors or whatever will stick.

Sorry fellow posters. Story deserved to be told. But I can’t stand to see it on our CAF list of news stories on into perpetuity per my promotion of it (despite its importance per the warnings). If someone else posts it, and the mods allow it, I will probably post on the subject more specifically though I think.

 

[Path_Finder]

That’s a terrible story alright. Yech.

 

[livnlern]

Hello Capt.

Hell, I’d go so far as to say they’d like to not only remove the name of the Holiday from the calendar, but also make the kids come to school that day as well. They DO know it is one of the holiest days of the year fro Christians and an obligatory day of rest and worship at Church, but if they could get away with it, there are those who would like to make it tougher on us Christians as a whole and simply eliminating the holiday from the calendar would do it. it would be enough for them to sit back knowing how much sweat it would create for us. Yeah, they Do do that on purpose.

Glenda

A few years ago in my town the school system suddenly decided that kids had to come to school on Good Friday, a day that was formerly a day off. Many parents kept their kids home that day anyway (I kept my kids home that day and we went to stations). I heard that many kids stayed home that day. After a couple of years of this, Good Friday was marked by the school board as a day off again. I think the school board got the idea that parents were going to follow their beliefs instead of what they were told to do.

 

[Richleebruce]

There is a problem with saying that religion is banned from the class room. It is not.

I work in the public schools and I have to observe limits on what I can say on religion, but there are very few limits on the students.

If the students want to preach, they have broad rights to do so, unless it is disrupting the class. If a secularist student is disrupting the class he can be stopped in exactly the way a religious student can be.

Many of the teachers are very religious at the elementary and high school level and will frequently not be hostile to the religious student. At the college level this is a different matter.

We are free to train our students to effectively defend the faith in their class rooms, we simply fail to do so.