Right to life: Canadian Style, eh?

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im not saying that. but look at it this way…by our human nature when we are healthy, especially when we are young, we feel invincible, durable and thus we tend to procrastinate on insurance until disaster strikes when it is too late. so in some cases its good to have Big Brother make insurances for everybody.
And what does that mean?

Do you or do you not believe people should be allowed to make decisions for themselves?
Health care should be more about the common joe than Doctor Who. I believe Doctors deserve some wealth, but not too much at the expense of the public.
Keep believing that – and putting it into practice – and we’ll harvest even more Candian doctors.😛
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So how do you get your insurance? How much do you get by how much you pay?
Just recently, I turned 65 and was forced to apply for Medicare – it’s less satisfactory and more expensive than my privately-paid insurance.
 
Do you or do you not believe people should be allowed to make decisions for themselves?
Yes & No. I believe in both courses of actions. People should be allowed to insure themselves and at the same time the Government should insure people. I myself have both. Government health insurance & personal health insurance.
Keep believing that – and putting it into practice – and we’ll harvest even more Candian doctors.😛
and its ruining both of us. its luring the greediest of our doctors and its making your doctors richer at the expense of your people.

in the end we still end up living longer than you do.
 
Yes & No. I believe in both courses of actions. People should be allowed to insure themselves and at the same time the Government should insure people. I myself have both. Government health insurance & personal health insurance.
So what does that mean? Do you feel people should be forced to pay for insurance – government or private – if they don’t want it?
and its ruining both of us. its luring the greediest of our doctors and its making your doctors richer at the expense of your people.
Not hardly – we get good care, with up-to-date technology, and no waiting.
in the end we still end up living longer than you do.
That’s because it’s cold up there, and you’re in the deep freeze half the year.😛
 
BamaRider,

how do you get that kind of health insurance? how much is it?
My health care insurance is mostly provided by the agency I worked for. Now that I’m retired I’m required to pay a portion.

Without the contribution of my agency, that covers about 85% of the premium, it would be expensive. Still, if they sent me a letter tomorrow telling me they were no longer gonna carry retirees on the plan, I’d take a job delivering pizzas before I lose it and place myself at the altar of the govt to save me.

My BCBS is very good insurance, but nothing magical about it. Most Americans have some form of the same plan. The vast majority of Americans DO have insurance, contrary to what MIchael Moore would have YOU believe.
 
How come I feel like this debate is right out of Huckleberry Finn?

You know the scene, where the Duke and the Dauphin flim-flammed the audience, and instead of riding the two montebanks out town right then, the audience went out and conned everyone else into falling for it – so people wouldn’t make fun of their gullability?😛
 
The Canadian Health Care system is to provide basic health care.
I have been a working nurse for near 40 years and the concept of basic has changed.
Now our generation considers procedures such as heart and lung transplants as basic and want it RIGHT NOW or the complaint is that the government is allowing sick people to die. Expensive experimental drugs are also not really covered. So one goes to the US.
Canada and California have about the same population. One has to consider how much our tax base can provide.
I have seen many people abuse the system over the years but I feel the provinces do a fair job.
Also … fear of dying seems to have increased in intensity. Is a natural death so terrible?
I agree that a decision to remove a respirator should be a team one.
 
My health care insurance is mostly provided by the agency I worked for. Now that I’m retired I’m required to pay a portion.

Without the contribution of my agency, that covers about 85% of the premium, it would be expensive. Still, if they sent me a letter tomorrow telling me they were no longer gonna carry retirees on the plan, I’d take a job delivering pizzas before I lose it and place myself at the altar of the govt to save me.

My BCBS is very good insurance, but nothing magical about it. Most Americans have some form of the same plan. The vast majority of Americans DO have insurance, contrary to what MIchael Moore would have YOU believe.
Unfortunately, pizza delivery drivers rarely have a pay package that includes any kind of health care. This is the sad truth of most service oriented jobs and one reason why so many Americans have no insurance. I have none myself. I was paying my COBRA and just couldn’t make it with the limited income I have at the time (I’ll save you the details except to say I didn’t expect this situation and hope it will be resolved later this year). I’m in Los Angeles, so I’ll probably die before I get treatment should something serious occur as the hospitals we have that serve the non-insured tend to provide poor if any service - folks dying in the waiting room, waiting for 48 hours to be seen, etc. It is a sad situation. 😦
 
Our Canadian health care system is less than perfect.

The question is, is your U.S. system better than ours?
Not according to your fellow American Michael Moore. 😃
Well if Michael Moore said it… who can argue?
 
Our Canadian health care system is less than perfect.

The question is, is your U.S. system better than ours?
Not according to your fellow American Michael Moore. 😃
Our system is the best in the world as long as you are rich or reasonably well to do. For every story that one can extract from Canada about a bad outcome through alledged socialized medicine, of course, thousands of dead Americans cannot speak because they had no health care at all.

The fact that we claim to be the leader of the free world and bastion of all that is good and right is sadly destroyed when you look at the placement of the US among the family of nations in areas that speak to care for its citizens. It is an embarrassing crime that this continues.

The ultra right wing, buying into the GOP nonsense finds reasons for this: the poor don’t really deserve health care, they are just lazy. Don’t stop with health care, we can move on to education and a plethora of other social issues. the US lags substantially behind many many countries. But the rich do keep getting richer don’t they?
 
We have clinics all along our border that cater to Candians who are so dissatisfied with your system that they come here to pay for their medical care out of their own pockets.

Do you have Americans flocking to Canada for medical care?
They are sure flocking there to get drugs at fair prices rather than be gouged by US pharmaeceutical firms protected by the present government.

I’d be willing to believe those clinics are proforming simply out patient procedures that are not deemed life threatening. There are undoubtedly waiting lists in Canada. Nobody likes that much for sure, but at least they have the right to treatment without losing everything they own.
 
Our system is the best in the world as long as you are rich or reasonably well to do. For every story that one can extract from Canada about a bad outcome through alledged socialized medicine, of course, thousands of dead Americans cannot speak because they had no health care at all.

The fact that we claim to be the leader of the free world and bastion of all that is good and right is sadly destroyed when you look at the placement of the US among the family of nations in areas that speak to care for its citizens. It is an embarrassing crime that this continues.

The ultra right wing, buying into the GOP nonsense finds reasons for this: the poor don’t really deserve health care, they are just lazy. Don’t stop with health care, we can move on to education and a plethora of other social issues. the US lags substantially behind many many countries. But the rich do keep getting richer don’t they?
More polemics and neither evidence nor alternatives.:rolleyes:
 
Define “Lie.”😛

Did he point out that most of those people who have health insurance (not health care) choose not to have it – making a rational choice not to pay premiums?

Did he point out that most of the people who don’t have health insurance are young and healthy?

Did he point out that many of the people who don’t have health insurance are illegal immigrants?

Did he point out the Massachusetts “solution” was to force people to buy health insurance – whether they want it or not – or pay higher taxes? And did he explain how that** helps** the poor?

And we have had one reported case where a dis-satisfied Canadian was punished by being sent to the foot of the list – a death sentence without a trial.
You can believe that GOP nonsense if you wish. Did you happen to hear of the group featured on 60 Min a few weeks ago? Something like doctors without borders. They used to travel to foreign countries and try to treat people in remote areas who got no health care at all. They now go almost exclusively to small towns in the US. Their customers are according to them, almost universally working class people who cannot afford insurance or are severely under insured because of the costs. Your attempt to claim that most uninsured are either too lazy to pay premiums or too stupid is inaccurate and offensive.

And of course I know you don’t care about immigrants, so I guess they should be just left to die? I sometimes forget this is a RELIGIOUS forum supposedly composed of compassionate people.
 
And herein lies the difference for me in Alabama and my friends north of the border.

BCBS insurance mostly paid by the agency I worked for, my share is couple hundred a month.

Fire Dept diagnosed me with hernia (not job related) sent me to my private practice guy same day.

Confirmed diagnosis that afternoon, lined up follow up appt. with the surgeon for 2 days later.

Surgeon evaluated me, asked when I wanted to get fixed up. “Gimme a couple of weeks doc, I’m training for half marathon and ain’t got time for a operation right now.” “Ok come see me when it’s over, in the meantime no lifting, and you’re off work.”

Took sick report to fire dept and put on sick leave till operation and recovery.

finished race, went back to doc for surgery appt. Went in 2 days later. Checked in hospital the night before. Private room, round the clock nurse care, private bath, TV, Wi Fi, snack bar down the hall, read the paper and relaxed. The guy that lays me out for the operation comes by to meet me, and answers any questions.

Next morning they wheel me into surgery and fix me up. Wake up in post op. “How ya feel? Do you need anything?” Sleep off the anesthia and went home that evening.

Enjoyed the 6 weeks convalensce sick leave before returning to duty. I was good to go in a week, but every one is afraid of gettin sued so they practice defensive medicine, so I had NO choice but to take a 6 week paid vacation.

Not even the richest of Canadians can get his hernia fixed in that manner.

When you surrender something over to the govt whether it be health care, education, etc, you give up a little of your freedom. A guess its up to each society how they wanna do it. But ya can’t have both. I know which way I go.
And you are so proud I take it? your casual happy little hernia operation is beyond the means of millions in this country. You act like this is a joke. Millions are suffering and youre proud you have a private room and a snack bar? Give me a break.
 
LOL no argument I take it. The statistics are well known. The alternative is simply, universal health care.
Canadians who need treatment now and cannot wait come to the US (if they cannot afford it – the vaunted Canadian “universal health care system” will not pay for treatment outside Canada.)

Where will we go, when we have “universal health care” and the government sets the waiting period so that we die on the waiting list.
 
And we have had one reported case where a dis-satisfied Canadian was punished by being sent to the foot of the list – a death sentence without a trial.
So… no people die in the states as a result of a bureaucratic incompetence? Wow, you guys must have a much better system than it appears.
 
So… no people die in the states as a result of a bureaucratic incompetence? Wow, you guys must have a much better system than it appears.
My, my – couldn’t you come up with a better reply than that?😛

The point is no one in the US is sentenced to die by the health care bureaucracy.
 
So… no people die in the states as a result of a bureaucratic incompetence? Wow, you guys must have a much better system than it appears.
Actually, it seems that the uninsured die here every day:

From Iowa

desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080321/OPINION03/803210349/-1/SPORTS09

From Virginia

inrich.com/cva/ric/news/politics.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-03-22-0132.html

From Ohio

cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/120591559392020.xml&coll=2

West Virgina

wvgazette.com/News/200803180653

Every one of these stories cites individual cases of deaths caused by a lack of care due to a lack of insurance. I’m sure this is just the tip of the iceberg. So, there you have it folks, insurance is a matter of life and death in the US. Pretty sad, if you ask me. But then the real God in the US is the All-mighty Dollar, not the Almighty, IMO - but what else can you say about a country where money is more important than peoples lives. We need to get this country back on the right track because we derailed somehwere. :mad:
 
Canada’s healthcare system is, in fact, inferior to that of the U.S. Our emergency room waiting lines are horrible and abortifaciants are served up like coktails at a coktail party. We definately need a 2 tear system.
 
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