Right-wing fringe group building multimedia empire near Detroit

[Jig_Saw]

Is the interest here is to silence “right-wing” speech instead of defending the true nature of Catholicism?

Church Militant silences those with dissenting opinions by deleting comments and banning them from posting to their site. I don’t think there is much Catholic on that site. It’s just propaganda to siphon money off of anti-Pope Republican Catholics in a manner similar to televangelists.

 

[Jig_Saw]

while Mike Voris may rub some the wrong way, his heart is n seeing the Church return to her true calling. It seems that he has gotten under the (thin) skin of some. Last year, or the year befpre an attack was launched on him by someone using his past indiscretions against him. It was a terrible smear campaign. Now he is labeled right wing frige group. Makes me wonder.
I sure am glad that progressives are soooooo tolerant. I would hate to see what they would be like otherwise.

I wonder why the site bans those with dissenting opinions. I guess it’s Mr. Voris and his crew that has the thin skin. Precious snowflakes need their safe space.

 

[gus]

The title sort of points to the ethos of the writer. That said, I didn’t think CM was big enough on the national stage to garner that type of publicity. I’m sure they will benefit from the exposure. While not everyone’s cup of tea, they certainly touch a cord with their demographic.

As the article mentioned, it is very much focussed on the founder who also is the main personality. I wonder if he is raising up others to continue or expand the breadth of reporting, and take over management when the time comes.

Actually the headline segment which offers no editorial content always features other people. Actually it’s one of the better sources for those interested in Catholic News
His famous or infamous ( The Vortex) short segments are still there but much other production is panel oriented. It’s accessible only by subscription.
This guy can’t catch a break he is a frequent target of Trads,and Rad-Trads for his loyality to the Pope. Remember he is a Mass of Paul VI Catholic. He has also been singled out by the extreme left.
So maybe he is doing something right.

 

[Fiasco]

Church Militant silences those with dissenting opinions by deleting comments and banning them from posting to their site. I don’t think there is much Catholic on that site. ** It’s just propaganda to siphon money off of anti-Pope Republican **Catholics in a manner similar to televangelists.

i’ve spent a fair bit of time there over the past six months. The only time they delete and ban is when comments start to degenerate into warfare/bad taste/promoting unapproved phenomena.

As far as siphoning of money similar to televangelists is concerned, there`s a damned sight more good Catholic stuff there than there is on most “official” Catholic sites.

Sure Voris is often abrasive, but is it any wonder??? He takes the Faith and the current spiritual warfare seriously. And he calls a spade a spade! We should all be like that!!!

I guess it’s Mr. Voris and his crew that has the thin skin. Precious snowflakes need their safe space.

After seeing the vitriol hurled at CM, by certain elements of the “main stream media” and others, i don’t think Voris and Co can be accused of having thin skin, let alone being called “precious snowflakes”!
“Precious snowflakes” applies to the poor beggars who still can’t grasp the reality that Hillary didn’t become the 45th President of the USA, along with the ghastly baggage she would have had in-tow.

Play dough and colouring-in books!!!

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I kind of like the article. Though I am conservative I’ve never been identified with a “right wing fringe group”. I kind of like it… it’s got a certain ring.
I think it’s like my badge of honor now!

 

[Justin_Swanton]

I have read and seen plenty of Church Militant material. Several things stood out:

1. Mr Voris and crew are bona fide Catholics in the sense that they have done nothing that would exclude them from full communion with the Church. They’re not heretics or schismatics, and they have committed no offence that merits excommunication. Whether you like them or not they are fellow Catholics.
2. Church Militant is unsparing with its criticism of members of the hierarchy that it considers (usually rightly so) to have fallen gravely short of their obligations to their flocks and the Church in general, but it does not extend this criticism to the Pope, at least not yet so far as I know.
3. Its style is theatrical and dramatic, much more so for example than The Remnant TV. That you can like or dislike but style does not per se invalidate content.
4. I wish they would find somewhere else to do their annual retreat than on a luxury liner!
5. What’s with ‘Church Militant coffee’?

 

[Wedge_Antilles]

Voris is opinionated but faithfully Catholic, and while he may irk some (including some Bishops), that says nothing of his fidelity to the faith.

Now once he gets a stamp from the Vatican with his likeness on it, you’ll know he has gone to far and crossed the line.

 

[TMC]

Michael Voris used to be discussed on this forum pretty regularly, until most realized his many shortcomings and issues. I had hoped he had sunk into well deserved obscurity. Do not be sucked in. He was asked to stop calling his movement Catholic for a reason - actually many reasons.

 

[Pulvis]

Church Militant silences those with dissenting opinions by deleting comments and banning them from posting to their site. I don’t think there is much Catholic on that site. It’s just propaganda to siphon money off of anti-Pope Republican Catholics in a manner similar to televangelists.

Glad that never happens at CAF.

Also Ad Hominum assertions are a cheap tactic.

If you do not agree with an individual or group, just say so. No need to categorize Republican Catholics as Anti anything.

Reminds me of that whole “Basket of Deplorables” comment.

 

[Pulvis]

Mike V. had a show on about this dust up last evening. Seems the initial report was a well written piece by a reported for the Detroit Free Press. Mike was fine with their article. The USA Today piece was a version of the same article, USA Today is owned by the same owner of the Detroit Free Press (Gannett). The USA Today version was more in line with the NY Times hit piece. Also the Communications director for the Archdiocese of Detroit got his 2 cents in, in a rather contentious fashion. There is an ongoing dispute between C.M. and staff at the Archdiocese. Messy and sad.

 

[Ernie07]

I wonder why the site bans those with dissenting opinions. I guess it’s Mr. Voris and his crew that has the thin skin. Precious snowflakes need their safe space.

Hey Jig Saw,

You clearly seem to have an issue with the CM site or Voris in particular. You have anything specific other than name calling? Thanks.

-Ernie-

 

[Ernie07]

Michael Voris used to be discussed on this forum pretty regularly, until most realized his many shortcomings and issues. I had hoped he had sunk into well deserved obscurity. Do not be sucked in. He was asked to stop calling his movement Catholic for a reason - actually many reasons.

Can you reference what you believe isn’t Catholic about CM? I ask because my only interaction with them was on the Alpha program and they were one of the few organizations that called out this program for what it is…error-filled and sometimes heretical. As a result, they earned my respect as an organization that isn’t afraid to call out errors even when church leaders are inexplicably endorsing it. But, maybe CM fell into the category of teaching error on some other issues and it would be good to know.

Thanks.

-Ernie-

 

[johnnyc176]

I kind of like the article. Though I am conservative I’ve never been identified with a “right wing fringe group”. I kind of like it… it’s got a certain ring.
I think it’s like my badge of honor now!

Yeah isn’t fringe sorta like being on the peripheral?

 

[J_Peterson]

A bishop who did not have authority (due to location) tried to forbid the use of the word Catholic.

I find that he either assumes too much knowledge on the part of the listener or leaps to conclusions, bit Inwouldn’t call him a right-wing fringe group, whatever that might mean.

They are right wing, that’s not up for debate. Here’s a definition of “fringe”:

1. not part of the mainstream; unconventional, peripheral, or extreme.

That fits the Church Militant as well. I would say by definition they are right-wing fringe group. Ask a random Catholic in the pews or in the streets and it is highly likely they have never heard of Michael Voris. They are a very small fringe group.

 

[pnewton]

Wasn’t Mr. Voris previously prohibited from using the word “Catholic” in his organization’s name?

If the “National Catholic Reporter” (aka Fishwrap) can use the word Catholic, I think anybody can.

For one to licitly use the name “Catholic”, one must be authorize to do so by the bishop as a lay apostolate. Sure, someone may use it illicitly, contrary to canon law.

 

[pnewton]

Can you reference what you believe isn’t Catholic about CM?

I is a matter of language. The are not Catholic because they are **not **an approved apostolate of the Catholic Church. The lack episcopal oversight and authority. They are Catholic in that they are ran by Catholics, like a Catholic bakery. They provide videos and other resources. If one finds them useful, all the better. If they make a lot of money, that’s free enterprise. But it is not ran as part of the Catholic Church.

 

[fmchan52]

They are right wing, that’s not up for debate. Here’s a definition of “fringe”:

1. not part of the mainstream; unconventional, peripheral, or extreme.

That fits the Church Militant as well. I would say by definition they are right-wing fringe group. Ask a random Catholic in the pews or in the streets and it is highly likely they have never heard of Michael Voris. They are a very small fringe group.

             In my opinion a great part of what is termed the mainstream are the ones who

are unconventional and extreme.

 

[Jig_Saw]

i’ve spent a fair bit of time there over the past six months. The only time they delete and ban is when comments start to degenerate into warfare/bad taste/promoting unapproved phenomena.

As far as siphoning of money similar to televangelists is concerned, there`s a damned sight more good Catholic stuff there than there is on most “official” Catholic sites.

Sure Voris is often abrasive, but is it any wonder??? He takes the Faith and the current spiritual warfare seriously. And he calls a spade a spade! We should all be like that!!!

After seeing the vitriol hurled at CM, by certain elements of the “main stream media” and others, i don’t think Voris and Co can be accused of having thin skin, let alone being called “precious snowflakes”!
“Precious snowflakes” applies to the poor beggars who still can’t grasp the reality that Hillary didn’t become the 45th President of the USA, along with the ghastly baggage she would have had in-tow.

Play dough and colouring-in books!!!

I was banned from Church Militant for saying that Sean Spicer lied about the size of the crowd at the inauguration, which he did. The CM representative accused me of ‘slandering a good Catholic’ and used such convoluted logic to defend Spicer that I question anything analysis from that website. Basically, they couldn’t call a lie a lie and they couldn’t stand for someone who upset their little apple cart. So, it is a place for precious snowflakes to have their safespace where they can safely believe that Donald Trump is the best president for Catholics ever and rip into the Church hierarchy without being challenged.

 

[Jig_Saw]

Glad that never happens at CAF.

Also Ad Hominum assertions are a cheap tactic.

If you do not agree with an individual or group, just say so. No need to categorize Republican Catholics as Anti anything.

Reminds me of that whole “Basket of Deplorables” comment.

Why do you assume that anti-Pope Republican Catholics are inclusive? Not all Catholic Republicans are anti-Pope and the way I stated it does not apply so. I’m saying that, if you happen to be both, you probably will like CM.

 

[commenter]

In my opinion a great part of what is termed the mainstream are the ones who
are unconventional and extreme.

True.
Voris is not nearly as extreme as the major news networks.

Christianity was a “fringe group” at one time. In many places it is a fringe group today. That has nothing to do with whether it is true or false.
Voris isn’t “right wing”. That is an epithet, like “fascist”, thrown as an insult by ignorant people.

Voris never disagrees with Catholic doctrine. To his credit, he gets criticized by both very liberal and very conservative groups. This suggests he at least is trying to be open minded and flexible, some of the time. The problem is a lack of prudence. He is not as bad as some of the websites, that blame the pope and bishops for all the ills of modern life, but he does seem to blame the bishops for way too much.

Keep in mind today’s bishops have to deal with mistakes made by yesterday’s bishops, they have to deal with complex issues in their own diocese, with lawsuits, with confidential matters (such as politicians who may be having confidential ongoing conversations on abortion). There is a great deal that is confidential, something that is in process, that Voris does not know about, but he does not give anyone the benefit of the doubt. Voris is a little like the guy who distrusts the cook, so he keeps opening the oven door to check on the baking. That affects the cake.

Nothing about Voris is strength based, or considers the larger context. He jumps on the K of C because 1% of the time they may have insufficiently vigilant against condoning pro choice, but he does not see the 99% of the time they are not only vigilant but solidly proactive. That would not boost his ratings. That is the kind of blind spot he has.

If you are going to watch Voris, limit yourself to no more than a half hour every two months. More than that, you start imbibing the negative spirit, the “Nancy Grace” mentality.
Nothing spikes ratings like attacks.