Right-wing fringe group building multimedia empire near Detroit

[Fiasco]

I just wrote a poem of the many uses, but fear it might get me in trouble…

Yes…play safe.

 

[pnewton]

So? MV is making up for what is lacking in parts of the heirarchy. If things were OK, he wouldn’t have to.

And if you believe him of benefit to the problem, then by all means support him. Just understand that there are others that support their independent organizations for their own agendas. Personally, I am not a “sky is falling” kind of guy. Yes, America is corrupt. All we need to know to understand this is the quality of the last two presidential candidates. On the other hand, I remember Nixon being elected. I also remember that the vast majority of Christians attended Church less than ten times a year. Laedocia? That is a good description. My faith will stay with the Catholic Church, not be the one to stand against her. I see no moral high ground in complaining about that corruption on the inside (which started with Judas) by attacking from the outside. Even the SSPX is seeking reconciliation so they have again exercise legitimate Catholic ministry.

I would warn however against confirmation bias. Choosing ignorance by allowing our entertainment be those who confirm us in our anger leaves us blind to the larger picture of reality. I would encourage the Voris fandom to contribute, enjoy and learn, but also to take it with a grain of salt. It is but one side of a story, and one in which profit is essential to survival. Surely in this age of media wariness we can understand the need for caution.

 

[Jig_Saw]

“their little apple cart”? Voris has bigger fish to fry, and thicker skin, than to be upset by your “dissenting” posts.
Reserve the “precious snowflakes” for the likes of Miley Cyrus (with her sobbing on election night), Michael Moore (the heavyweight champion of Hollywood) and Madonna who gave such an eloquent speech just on a month ago.

A much more apt likeness would be with Saint Anthony of Padua. He was known as “the hammer of heretecs”; and he even called out an archbishop during one of his PUBLIC sermons (“You there, with the mitre!”). The archbishop repented…
Saint Anthony treated the ordinary peasants in the pews much more gently.

To say that Voris rips into the Church hierarchy without being challenged is absurd. At least one archdiocese even dug into his past for mud to fling. As we know, it was there. He’s been attacked a lot of times.
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What certain hierarchs hate about Voris is that he challenges THEM! They don`t like being called to account for the way they’ve neglected to teach and protect their flocks. What’s worse is that they can’t stop him because he’s independent of any official hierarchical control.
The mission of the Church is more than just social justice. How about the ***salvation of ***souls, the Church’s primary mission? Voris’s “Church of Nice” term fits perfectly in too many cases.
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Voris isn’t a snowflake. He’s more like Thor: the god of thunder.

Right, because nothing quite says god of thunder like banning people you disagree with from commenting on their site. Got to keep the site safe for the precious snowflakes sending in their Social Security checks.

 

[Ernie07]

And if you believe him of benefit to the problem, then by all means support him. Just understand that there are others that support their independent organizations for their own agendas. Personally, I am not a “sky is falling” kind of guy. Yes, America is corrupt. All we need to know to understand this is the quality of the last two presidential candidates. On the other hand, I remember Nixon being elected. I also remember that the vast majority of Christians attended Church less than ten times a year. Laedocia? That is a good description. My faith will stay with the Catholic Church, not be the one to stand against her. I see no moral high ground in complaining about that corruption on the inside (which started with Judas) by attacking from the outside. Even the SSPX is seeking reconciliation so they have again exercise legitimate Catholic ministry.

I would warn however against confirmation bias. Choosing ignorance by allowing our entertainment be those who confirm us in our anger leaves us blind to the larger picture of reality. I would encourage the Voris fandom to contribute, enjoy and learn, but also to take it with a grain of salt. It is but one side of a story, and one in which profit is essential to survival. Surely in this age of media wariness we can understand the need for caution.

I understand what you’re saying and agree to a point, but I’d also warn against blindly following our church leaders. Most, if not all, of the Church Councils throughout history dealt with some form of reform within the Church because of the errors of certain parties within the Church. To think that our church leaders are infallible is wrong; to not point out errors is wrong; and to falsely point out errors is wrong. Everything must be tested. The Alpha program is a great example. Clearly heretical teaching infiltrating our Church and yet most church leaders endorse it.

My contention all along is that I can’t find where Voris is in error and I’m still waiting for someone to point something out other than being upset about his tone, misrepresenting his views on a topic like Jews, or being upset about being thrown out of a forum. When we call someone out for their erroneous beliefs we better have absolute and specific facts to back up that claim. My experience is that he uses facts while others use emotion against him. I don’t now him from Adam, but that’s what it looks like to me based on this thread and others I’ve read about him and the CM organization.

-Ernie-

 

[Ernie07]

Right, because nothing quite says god of thunder like banning people you disagree with from commenting on their site. Got to keep the site safe for the precious snowflakes sending in their Social Security checks.

OK, I have to ask. What is your deal with the term “precious snowflakes” since you keep using that term? What do you mean by that term? I thought an example were those that are protesting about topics they either don’t understand or cry or whine or use violence when they don’t get their way. It’s not my intention to be mean spirited, but your continued whining about being kicked off of a website is defining what I would have thought a “precious snowflake” was. What am I misunderstanding from your perspective? I ask with all due respect and sincerity as maybe I just don’t understand the term properly.

 

[Pulvis]

 

[Ernie07]

Wow, you’ve taken an interesting thread where people are, for the most part, respectfully asking questions and providing opinions into the gutter in one fell swoop. That’s a very pointed attack of a person you made. Do you have anything specific to back that up, Deacon? I would hope that any disparagement at that level would be followed up with specific information to back it up. Do you have any? I truly would like to know because I don’t understand the hatred for a guy where it seems like the only “crime” he’s committed is calling people out on errors and doing it with a tone that people don’t like.

Thanks for sharing.

-Ernie-

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Wow, you’ve taken an interesting thread where people are, for the most part, respectfully asking questions and providing opinions into the gutter in one fell swoop. That’s a very pointed attack of a person you made. Do you have anything specific to back that up, Deacon? I would hope that any disparagement at that level would be followed up with specific information to back it up. Do you have any? I truly would like to know because I don’t understand the hatred for a guy where it seems like the only “crime” he’s committed is calling people out on errors and doing it with a tone that people don’t like.

Thanks for sharing.pi

-Ernie-

You completely and awesomely misunderstood his post.

 

[pnewton]

When people say terrible things about your family and loved ones, it can raise anger. We tend to be defensive over loved ones. The Church is my family. I even call my own priest “father”. This is a tangible relationship, so a little sensitivity will be more effective at communicating a point than name-calling and insults. Sure, if the goal is to attract like-minded people to fill the business coffers, shock-jocks are a proven money maker.

 

[goout]

Right wing left wing, who cares?
Catholic is Catholic.
I have no problem with bias, as long as one doesn’t shrink from owning it.

This particular commentator I don’t care for, not because he’s conservative, but because everything of his I’ve seen lacks integrity of thought. It’s sort of 3/4 true, and is needlessly inflammatory.

“Militant” doesn’t mean what people think it means in a Catholic context.

 

[edwest2]

Individual bishops “CAN determine”, but whether they will is something else.
Voris consulted a canon lawyer about the name-change “request”, and was told that he couldn’t be forced to change. Regardless, the current name reflects his ministry more accurately, and ties in with The Church Militant, as the Church on Earth is meant to be.

Voris used to be an investigative journalist; and his savvy in that area is an asset in his current ministry. He has contacts, as well, some of whom wish to remain anonymous for fear of backlash.

By being totally free of any authorities, he’s free to say whatever he’s convinced is necessary, without having to worry about being pressured/muzzled, having finances withdrawn etc. His outfit just happens to be physically in Detroit, but it could be elsewhere, and be just as effective.

It also shows that some shepherds can’t always be relied on to adequately protect their flocks.

Soros reminds me of our Lord’s words: “What does it profit a man…”. Voris has given at least one detailed lecture about him. What a web of deceit!

You didn’t mention the fishwrap people!

Voris is convinced that until the homosexual plague is rooted out, the crisis will continue.
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The whole thing’s tragic. There shouldn’t be any place for a group like Church Militant, but “them’s the breaks”,

His website shows a Ferndale address and a photo of the building they operate from.

Ed

 

[Ernie07]

OK, I’ll admit that I’m definitely not the brightest guy on the planet and I will prove that yet again by admitting that I have no idea what either of you are saying. Feel free to rip me because sometimes people take things too seriously and I have decently think skin. What did I miss? Was Deacon purposely sarcastic and mean-spirited in a fun loving kind of way that I just completely didn’t understand?

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

OK, I’ll admit that I’m definitely not the brightest guy on the planet and I will prove that yet again by admitting that I have no idea what either of you are saying. Feel free to rip me because sometimes people take things too seriously and I have decently think skin. What did I miss? Was Deacon purposely sarcastic and mean-spirited in a fun loving kind of way that I just completely didn’t understand?

He referenced the sarcasm within the post!
Reread it in a sarcastic tounge in cheek way and it makes his point well. And charitably.
I’ve read the Deacon often, I’ve only found him wrong on one subject. That same time was also as uncharitable as I’ve seen him post. Newsflash, if that was his worst, then the man is far more charitable than you or I!
He is not only a knowledgeable poster but very orthodox, perhaps even (gasp) conservative in his Catholicism. He is a defender of orthodoxy on most issues and deserves respect. And if not respect at least the charitable assumption that he is not being horrible!

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I like voris the same way I like talk radio hosts. They say what I think (mostly) point out the problems of an imperfect system or leaders and do so well

It’s also why I can’t listen.
He is right, and it just makes me angry. So for the sake of peace, I withdraw.

 

[Ernie07]

He referenced the sarcasm within the post!
Reread it in a sarcastic tounge in cheek way and it makes his point well. And charitably.
I’ve read the Deacon often, I’ve only found him wrong on one subject. That same time was also as uncharitable as I’ve seen him post. Newsflash, if that was his worst, then the man is far more charitable than you or I!
He is not only a knowledgeable poster but very orthodox, perhaps even (gasp) conservative in his Catholicism. He is a defender of orthodoxy on most issues and deserves respect. And if not respect at least the charitable assumption that he is not being horrible!

Thanks for explaining. Sure seemed like he was implying that Michael Voris is mutually exclusive with Christian Charity. I saw it as an attack on someone’s character and an inappropriate use of sarcasm, but I’ll take your word for it that I misunderstood. Thanks again.

-Ernie-

 

[Fiasco]

OK, I have to ask. What is your deal with the term “precious snowflakes” since you keep using that term? What do you mean by that term? I thought an example were those that are protesting about topics they either don’t understand or cry or whine or use violence when they don’t get their way. It’s not my intention to be mean spirited, but your continued whining about being kicked off of a website is defining what I would have thought a “precious snowflake” was.

That’s exactly what i should’ve said, but wasn’t game to. Maybe things have changed since i left in frustration in 2012.

PS
The Social Security cheques are more likely to belong to MV’s opponents.

 

[Fiasco]

Just understand that there are others that support their independent organizations for their own agendas.

M Voris & Co can’t be held responsible for that. That type is a small minority, and plainly visible (eg TLM-only fanatics). Some leftists stick their necks out on there, as well!

Personally, I am not a “sky is falling” kind of guy. Yes, America is corrupt… My faith will stay with the Catholic Church, not be the one to stand against her.

Let’s be blunt: the Church is full of wolves posing as shepherds. M Voris & Co are standing against THEM, NOT the Church.
When some shepherds flatly refuse to heed the pleading of their flocks…Normal people can be treated with contempt for only so long.

I see no moral high ground in complaining about that corruption on the inside (which started with Judas) by attacking from the outside.

Judas was only 1/12…

Even the SSPX is seeking reconciliation so they have again exercise legitimate Catholic ministry.

If it’s a personal prelature (or similar): in one go, the SSPX would be free of most of the problems being “discussed” on this thread.
Lucky beggars! Without Bishop Williamson, they have it made!

I would warn however against confirmation bias… Surely in this age of media wariness we can understand the need for caution.

Those with a reasonable grasp of the Faith, and INFORMED consciences are able to separate Truth from lies. That’s one positive outcome of this crisis, because we have to find the Truth for ourselves, from trusted sources, rather than rely on “Farvah” or “Sistah” to tell us. A slack, lazy attitude!
So, from a selfish point of view, i’m glad about the turmoil. The tragedy is that most people who self-identify as Catholic seem blissfully unaware that anything’s wrong. Except for the sex-abuse scandals, of course.

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There’s another ugly result of the current “troubles” (Sorry:Ulster!):
Out of frustration, a lot of otherwise faithful Catholics have turned to alleged (and unapproved) supernatural phenomena. They believe Heaven is speaking direct to visionaries or whomever, and bypassing the Church. Not so! The contempt some hierarchs show towards “the peasants” can rebound with a vengeance.
For decades, the powers of hell have been having a field day with this!!!

Voris’ views against unapproved alleged supernatural phenomena are firm and public.

Trivia:
There’s no love lost between CM and “The Remnant” (and similar extreme outfits). There’s evidence on OoToob.

End of Part II

His website shows a Ferndale address and a photo of the building they operate from.

Presumably that’s close to (a suburb of?) Detroit. Living on the western side of the Pacific Ocean, i’ve no knowledge of the area.

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PS***
The cluelessness, and whatever else, of the individuals who compose “articles” like the one which triggered this thread make me SICK.

 

[pnewton]

Let’s be blunt: the Church is full of wolves posing as shepherds. M Voris & Co are standing against THEM, NOT the Church.
When some shepherds flatly refuse to heed the pleading of their flocks…Normal people can be treated with contempt for only so long.

Judas was only 1/12…

Right. I have no reason to believe the Church is in worse shape now. I do not doubt that there are wolves in sheep’s clothing. However, the ones that I know of, the ones he attacked, were shepherds, not wolves, attacked for doing the work God called them to, but in a way that was not ultra-super-mega-traditionalist. One is rather dear to me.

I also noticed that at times he uses hearsay and rumor as fuel for criticism. I personally prefer the admonish of the Catechism on how we are to avoid rash judgment.

That’s one positive outcome of this crisis, because we have to find the Truth for ourselves, from trusted sources, rather than rely on “Farvah” or “Sistah” to tell us.

This is the sort of thing I referenced earlier. I would have been taken to the woodshed for speaking to my own father that way. The model of the Church in the Bible, the** traditional** model, is one of love and respect. This should never be lost in the straw man against blind obedience, wolves, absolute truth, or whatever backdrop an entertainer or pundit is using to gain viewership.

 

[Jig_Saw]

OK, I have to ask. What is your deal with the term “precious snowflakes” since you keep using that term? What do you mean by that term? I thought an example were those that are protesting about topics they either don’t understand or cry or whine or use violence when they don’t get their way. It’s not my intention to be mean spirited, but your continued whining about being kicked off of a website is defining what I would have thought a “precious snowflake” was. What am I misunderstanding from your perspective? I ask with all due respect and sincerity as maybe I just don’t understand the term properly.

So, you think that a snowflake is someone who protests about topics they don’t understand and, yet, you don’t see how that applies to a website that lies about what a political leader said and bans those that disagree with them? Interesting.

And, no, pointing out that a website that professes to be Catholic and yet does not allow dissent on topics and lies about what is said is not whining. It is pointing out that the website is not one worthy of the hero worship that some around here seem to want to impart of it.

 

[goout]

“their little apple cart”? Voris has bigger fish to fry, and thicker skin, than to be upset by your “dissenting” posts.
Reserve the “precious snowflakes” for the likes of Miley Cyrus (with her sobbing on election night), Michael Moore (the heavyweight champion of Hollywood) and Madonna who gave such an eloquent speech just on a month ago.

A much more apt likeness would be with Saint Anthony of Padua. He was known as “the hammer of heretecs”; and he even called out an archbishop during one of his PUBLIC sermons (“You there, with the mitre!”). The archbishop repented…
Saint Anthony treated the ordinary peasants in the pews much more gently.

To say that Voris rips into the Church hierarchy without being challenged is absurd. At least one archdiocese even dug into his past for mud to fling. As we know, it was there. He’s been attacked a lot of times.
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What certain hierarchs hate about Voris is that he challenges THEM! They don`t like being called to account for the way they’ve neglected to teach and protect their flocks. What’s worse is that they can’t stop him because he’s independent of any official hierarchical control.
The mission of the Church is more than just social justice. How about the ***salvation of ***souls, the Church’s primary mission? Voris’s “Church of Nice” term fits perfectly in too many cases.
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Voris isn’t a snowflake. He’s more like Thor: the god of thunder.

Our Lord gave the money-changers a tongue lashing (and drove them out of the Temple), and told the scribes and pharisees a few home truths. Voris is doing the same.
i don’t deny he goes over the top sometimes, eg his harping on at Bishop Barron and his “Dare we hope…”; but overall, he’s far better than most “Catholic” outfits.

Church Militant took up Cardinal Burke’s 54-day rosary novena initiative: an appeal to Heaven for a good election outcome…

Saint Anthony of Padua. Saint. A canonized saint has the competence to rip someone a new one. MV does not.

Voris isn’t a snowflake. He’s more like Thor: the god of thunder.

Have you thought about this ^^^ a little?

In regards to MV, a little truth can go a long way towards a distorted view of the world.