Rights homosexuals miss out on

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Compared to heterosexual married couples, what rights do homosexuals miss out on in a state where gay marriage is illegal. Other than economy rights and things related to that what do they miss out on, can they still do Public Displays of Affection and do homosexual things privately and publicly? Is gay marriage illegalization simply the state stating that they don’t recognize it the same as heterosexual marriage or is there more to this?
 
Tax benefits, sharing of medical benefits, being recognized as immediate family in the case of one of the individuals falling seriously ill, being recognized by the state and country as a legal family unit, and will and estate planning issues are what comes to mind off the top of my head.
 
If you are married, is your relationship just about sex and public displays of affection? I assume not. Many of the things that are important to you in your marriage are the same things that are important in same sex marriages.
 
I wanted to add also, why else should it be illegal especially if its true love between two people, I mean it is true love but I don’t want to support it because it isn’t right and moral, it isn’t the same as heterosexual marriage. It is basically saying once it is legal that it is the same as heterosexual marriage which isn’t true.

Why else should it be illegal, especially if the two are in love with each other.

I feel like another reason they get married is because of love.
 
Well…think of all the things that ARE what marriage is about. Since they can’t get married, those are the things they miss out on. Simple question, really.
 
I don’t understand this concept that homosexuals CAN’T get married. of course they can. every single adult male can marry any other adult female. there is no law against a gay man marrying a woman. and non-married heterosexuals miss out on benefits just as non-married homosexuals do. the problem here is that government is involved in marriage in the first place. the solution to this dilemma is simple for me. keep government out of marriage and keep it a purely religious institution. you can live with whoever you want, and in the privacy of your own home, you can sleep with whoever you want. and if you can fnd a religious institution to call your relationship a marriage, then go for it. why does the government need to recognize any marriage, same-sex or otherwise?
 
lemongrass80 said:
Tax benefits, sharing of medical benefits, being recognized as immediate family in the case of one of the individuals falling seriously ill, being recognized by the state and country as a legal family unit, and will and estate planning issues are what comes to mind off the top of my head.
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A durable power of attorney can be given to any person and would erase all of the above “problems” except tax benefits and sharing medical benefits. Neither of those are rights though.

I am divorced and have no “right” to marriage tax benefits. Perhaps that means I’m discriminated against.

Some states do allow sharing of medical benefits with a registered domestic partner which can be homosexual, heterosexual or not sexual in any way.
 
Ilovejesus1234 said:
I wanted to add also, why else should it be illegal especially if its true love between two people, I mean it is true love but I don’t want to support it because it isn’t right and moral, it isn’t the same as heterosexual marriage. It is basically saying once it is legal that it is the same as heterosexual marriage which isn’t true.

Why else should it be illegal, especially if the two are in love with each other.

I feel like another reason they get married is because of love.
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Do you have true love for your parents? Your siblings? Your friends?

Should we call those relationships marriage?
 
Ilovejesus1234 said:
Compared to heterosexual married couples, what rights do homosexuals miss out on in a state where gay marriage is illegal. Other than economy rights and things related to that what do they miss out on, can they still do Public Displays of Affection and do homosexual things privately and publicly? Is gay marriage illegalization simply the state stating that they don’t recognize it the same as heterosexual marriage or is there more to this?
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This depends on state to state. In my state, domestic partners can receive medical benefits. And a domestic partner doesn’t have to be “same sex lovers.” They can be anyone who shares in owning or renting a home and shares a bank account.

So for example, child and elderly parent could quality. However, the time a couple must live together and share a bank account differs from state to state before they can become domestic partners.

The length of time required is the main financial hurdle.

However, sometimes getting married actually hurts a couple financially. Ever hear of the marriage penalty?

In terms of next of kin, it simply requires legal papers to put this in place (i.e. a will and a living will, etc)

Marriage makes the paperwork easy.

Now with this said, I think the real question becomes WHY does the state treat married couples differently? Is it because they love each other? No. Is it because they take care of each-other? No. Is it because the government wants to give out tax breaks? No (well at least not the Democrats!).

Why then? It’s because married people typically CREATE new life. Yes, some may adopt, but single people can potentially adopt a child too. Couples who adopt are not “going forth and multiplying,” they are filling in for the biological parents by raising the child as their own using a different kind of love. Yes, it’s very important, but the MAIN function of marriage is to create new life and to nurture that new life to adulthood.

The only way to keep the species moving forward is for a Man and Woman to make love and have a child. The love that a man and woman share creates and shapes a third person. Similar to how God the Holy Spirit proceeds from the love God the Father and God the Son have for us. The Holy Matrimony is emblematic of the Holy Trinity, which is one reason Christ elevated Christian marriage to a Sacrament.

This is why governments began offering benefits to married couples. The over focusing on love and happiness (along with premarital sex) is one of the main reasons we have too many divorces today. “Same sex marriage” completes the redefinition of marriage that “no fault divorce” started in the 1980s. With SSM legalized, marriage is no longer mainly about CREATING LIFE. It becomes about tax benefits.

I pray this makes sense.

May The Lord grant us wisdom and understanding. Amen.
 
“No-Fault Divorce” was created out of thin air in the 1980s. Who devalued marriage? Who asked for this? Who made “irreconcilable differences” as opposed to ‘divorce for cause’ an excuse? Not us.

I recall opening the Classifieds at the time and saw a lot of ads like this: “No kids? $75 and you’re out. Call 800-DIVORCE.” As an acquaintance explained to me, “They made it too easy.”

I can have a friend designated my legal guardian with full power of attorney. Redefining marriage is not the answer.

The attempt to redefine male-female relationships began in the 1970s. It was not about true partnership or true love, it was about who was in control. Men were the eternal enemies class. Women became the eternal victims class. This Marxist style class warfare was meant to give women power. Real love means you get to really know the other person, not just take a test drive to make sure the sex is good. Real love is a real commitment and it means sacrifice on the part of both. And children.

Ed
 
homosexuals do not “miss out” on any rights whatsoever they are fully protected under the constitution and under God as citizens and human persons

what they do not have a “right” to do (just like their heterosexual christian brethren) is to fornicate

that is a mortal sin
 
If I’m in love with my child, dog, father, then who are you to tell me I can’t get married? And if I’m in love with two, or three, or more, then who are you to say I can’t marry them all? This is the spiral that happens, and is already happening, with SSM. None of us live in bubbles, so what happens in people’s bedroom DOES affect me. It affects my children, who are taught in public schools that SSM is normal and those who disagree are bigots. It affects the kids who may be adopted or artificially conceived by SS couples. It’s a ripple effect.

All legal issues can be solved by a power of attorney. Before I was married, my father was my power of attorney. Even though I was no longer a minor, power of attorney gave him all legal access/rights to medical and financial aspects. And I didn’t need to marry him to do this.
 
What I meant about me asking about “well what if they’re in love” I meant to say what if they’re -romantically- in love. Like a heterosexual couple would be. For gay people I know they can do this, and they don’t need to display intimacy to prove this.

So the point of asking this is, is it impossible to let them marry because they are in love with each other romantically? Obviously yes because it doesn’t work that way, they can only prove that love through only being male and female. But is it impossible for them to be allowed to marry…to show that as a symbol of their love, isn’t that what married people of the heterosexual division already do, don’t heterosexual people marry to show that as a symbol of each others love.

Please don’t be harsh I am just wondering about this, just doing this to make sure all doubts are addressed before I vote for it to be illegal. Thank you.
 
Ilovejesus1234 said:
What I meant about me asking about “well what if they’re in love” I meant to say what if they’re -romantically- in love. Like a heterosexual couple would be. For gay people I know they can do this, and they don’t need to display intimacy to prove this.

So the point of asking this is, is it impossible to let them marry because they are in love with each other romantically? Obviously yes because it doesn’t work that way, they can only prove that love through only being male and female. But is it impossible for them to be allowed to marry…to show that as a symbol of their love, isn’t that what married people of the heterosexual division already do, don’t heterosexual people marry to show that as a symbol of each others love.

Please don’t be harsh I am just wondering about this, just doing this to make sure all doubts are addressed before I vote for it to be illegal. Thank you.
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Your wording is too difficult for me to understand. Sorry.

Ask yourself this question - “what would be the reason for the State to want to recognise the sexual relationship between 2 men (or 2 women)?” Why does the State care about that relationship? Should it take any more notice of that relationship than, say, the love between 2 sisters, or 2 “best friends”.
 
Rau said:
Your wording is too difficult for me to understand. Sorry.

Ask yourself this question - “what would be the reason for the State to want to recognise the sexual relationship between 2 men (or 2 women)?” Why does the State care about that relationship? Should it take any more notice of that relationship than, say, the love between 2 sisters, or 2 “best friends”.
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What do you mean by sexual relationship?
 
Ilovejesus1234 said:
What I meant about me asking about “well what if they’re in love” I meant to say what if they’re -romantically- in love. Like a heterosexual couple would be. For gay people I know they can do this, and they don’t need to display intimacy to prove this.

So the point of asking this is, is it impossible to let them marry because they are in love with each other romantically? Obviously yes because it doesn’t work that way, they can only prove that love through only being male and female. But is it impossible for them to be allowed to marry…to show that as a symbol of their love, isn’t that what married people of the heterosexual division already do, don’t heterosexual people marry to show that as a symbol of each others love.

Please don’t be harsh I am just wondering about this, just doing this to make sure all doubts are addressed before I vote for it to be illegal. Thank you.
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To rephrase this…What I am basically saying is, what if two gay people are romantically in love with each other and choose to get married because of that reason. What should we do then?
 
Ilovejesus1234 said:
To rephrase this…What I am basically saying is, what if two gay people are romantically in love with each other and choose to get married because of that reason. What should we do then?
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Kindly explain that marriage, as a sexual relationship, only makes sense for a man and a woman.
 
Rau said:
Kindly explain that marriage, as a sexual relationship, only makes sense for a man and a woman.
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It is impossible and immoral which i guess is the whole point of marriage, to procreate, but there is also a point of loving one another on the side and marrying because they are in love with each other. Not supporting them btw, just expressing doubts to get to final result.
 
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