Rioting aftermath in Kenosha

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It would also be wise to remember that outrage is egged on from many self interested and irresponsible sources and in the past few months has led in thousands of incidences to indefendible evil against innocents.
 
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They should have just stood around and waved some signs. I’m sure that would give the authorities something to think about.
 
Instead destroy your own community and sources of income and services within it, that certainly gives everyone something to think about.
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Peaceful protests don’t accomplish anything. If they aren’t literally masterminded by global and national powers utilising a few groomed activists (as in the recent climate marches) then they will just be ignored, regardless of their size or popularity. You need to cause economic and social disruption for your movement to become anything but a campaigning opportunity for a national party or a broader cause of the ruling class.
We have limited information about that shooting and the context it occurred in and some of the incidences we’ve seen since Floyd’s death strike me as justified responses, others as heavy-handed. Even with regards to Floyd I feel a man who was a thug was retroactively lionized and made into something he was not.
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This has happened before many times, and will probably happen again before the year is out. These aren’t just so many individual cases that each need to be judged on the basis of justice and morality. This is a class issue. A subsection of the American working class is kept in congenital poverty, subject to higher crime rates and overpolicing. These aren’t all just accidents or the fault of however many individuals were involved. American society is structured in a way to condition this to happen.
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How are smartphones still a measure of wealth or privilege? Even in developing countries they’re becoming increasingly popular among people who are certainly not wealthy or privileged. See the growing popularity of WhatsApp in India, for example.
 
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I’m still awaiting the cold hard facts on the shooting.
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This riot was definitely a real expression of outrage from the community. It would be wise to not forget that.
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This type of peace by threat rarely works out well.
 
StudentMI said:
This type of peace by threat rarely works out well.
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Its that mindset why people choose to live in suburbs and rural areas. The destruction of businesses in urban areas (businesses owned by people who had nothing to do with the police action) will only deepen the poor financial situation of people who live nearby. If their outrage is taken to the suburbs and rural areas…just beware that many people who live there are well armed.
 
This type of peace by threat rarely works out well.
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Honestly I don’t really see what you’re saying, but I just meant that the tendency to conceal the agents of this kind of rioting behind labels like “Black Lives Matter’” means that a lot of people don’t appreciate that this is largely going to be genuine outrage from locals. The Portland riots might mostly be student left wingers, but generally these ones that immediately follow a shooting in the place it happened tend to be made up of locals.

I see that my message looks like a threat, but that wasn’t an intention.
 
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This is all just agitation as far as I’m concerned, not addressing real ills, at least in the bigger picture.

If they were so convinced about “Black Lives Matter”, they’d be protesting black on black violence that kills many more. Many of the protesters, not all of course, are just hurting the community and are opportunists.

I saw pictures of well armed African Americans DEFENDING their businesses in Minneapolis. And obviously, heavily believe they have that right.

We have been through this before. Thank goodness, America has gotten better and we are not dealing with many deaths as has happened in the past.
 
I’ve been thinking the same thing about virtually every riot since the first ones when I was a very young child. Rioting is not a logical process and people just get angry and want to wreck things, even if it ends up harming their own neighbors of color when the neighborhood declines, there is no place to shop, etc. I can actually understand better when they go downtown and destroy stores where the upper class shop, thhan when they destroy their own backyard, but like I said we are not dealing with thoughtful people unless it’s a case of outside agitators starting the riot, which I don’t believe is the case especially when it just breaks out suddenly.

In Prayer Intentions yesterday somebody posted video of this riot’s fires consuming a Unitarian church’ with a big “Black Lives Matter” sign out front.
An ironic but sad commentary.
 
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I see that my message looks like a threat, but that wasn’t an intention.
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I thought so. Just saying.

It’s interesting. Such ‘threats’ can work in a certain context. For instance the monarch was often afraid of the peasants uprising if taxes got too high. But overall it doesn’t work that well.
 
I’m so thankful to God to have moved from Madison to a more rural area of WI.
 
It’s like Thatcher said, communism and nazism are two sides of the same coin.

There are sincere parties out there but those at the top of the protests I don’t think care much about the people. BLM is a non-profit but do they reinvest in the community? I’ve heard not.

These disturbances are very superficial. Sure, there are legitimate gripes.
 
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Regular_Atheist said:
This riot was definitely a real expression of outrage from the community. It would be wise to not forget that.
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See, that’s my thought. The best way to avoid these riots is for the police to choose against brutality. No brainer, yes?

Deflecting the issue of police brutality over to rioters is a common and frankly repugnant media tactic.

I don’t support violent protests, by the way. I just think it’s dangerous how we as a society are told to turn our heads away from what provoked them.
 
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