Ripple effect of Abortion on society

[BobCatholic]

A “child whose mother is making the choice of abortion” would not be a child at all.

Ah. So if a woman says the little one is a child, the little one is a child, and if the little one is not a child, the little one is not a child.

I had no idea a woman had such power over reality.

Quick. Someone get a woman to say that I’m the president of the United States. I’ll go and evict Obama

Abortion is a human rights issue. Why should one group of human beings (the unborn) have no rights whatsoever simply because a woman made a choice?

Human rights are for all, not for the chosen.

 

[st_lucy]

A “child whose mother is making the choice of abortion” would not be a child at all. It would be a fetus, incapable of forming a thought, much less verbalizing the belief that his mother is guilty of murder.

So because you decide that your child is “not” a child that makes it so. I am sorry but you can try to color the fetus anything you want but it will never hide the fact that is a living human who does not deserve to be be butchered in the very place it is suppose to be the safest.

I know many adults who cannot form a thought do you want to declare them not a human also? And since we actually don’t have enough research done do we want to make the error of killing someone who may actually have thought? Always error on the safe side.

Choice is *not *aspiration. Choice is not the pill method. Choice is the opportunity to contemplate the past, the present and the future, and to decide for oneself the best action to take, and to do so without censure from other human beings who have absolutely no authority to judge.

Choice is something one should make with out hurting another. In the choice of abortion someone always gets hurt and someone always dies. ALWAYS.

I’m not saying, “Don’t be angry.” Be angry. But I am saying, with all due respect mind you, that God can handle the judgment of those involved in abortion. He is the only capable being who can.

I have no doubt that God will not let this go by He does hear the screams of His little ones. But that does not mean that I should sit back and wait for that. I most step in and do all I can to stop this horrific genocide from continuing. This is a fight and we will be judged on which side we are on.

 

[notJaneAusten]

Tietjen,
The person was probably Barbara McGuigan (blonde short hair and glasses?). She does a radio show called Open Line and is on on Mondays @ 3pm EST. You can contact the show at openline@ewtn.com and ask her or call in when she is on. Hope that helps. Of course I am not positive that is who you are talking about, but it sounds like her. Life issues are the subject of her radio program and she does pro-life talks.

notJane

 

[fix]

A “child whose mother is making the choice of abortion” would not be a child at all. It would be a fetus, incapable of forming a thought, much less verbalizing the belief that his mother is guilty of murder.

You just don’t get it. To have permission to weigh options, consult with loved ones, pray, meet with one’s spiritual adviser (priest, reverend, rabbi), and come to a decision with regard to one’s pregnancy is the essence of choice. You always, always jump from unwanted conception to vacuum aspirator, as if that were somehow the definition of “choice”. Somewhere in that grey area *many women choose not to have an abortion. * They don’t make the appointment, they don’t walk up the stairs to the clinic, they *don’*t sit forever in the waiting room, they don’t sign legal documents, they don’t get counseled, they don’t have an IV placement, they don’t lie down on the table, they don’t strap on a nitrous mask, they don’t put on headphones and listen to nature sounds. They decide not to because they have a choice. And in between every step named above, there have been women all over this country who have stepped away from the procedure for one reason or another.

Choice is *not *aspiration. Choice is not the pill method. Choice is the opportunity to contemplate the past, the present and the future, and to decide for oneself the best action to take, and to do so without censure from other human beings who have absolutely no authority to judge.

I’m not saying, “Don’t be angry.” Be angry. But I am saying, with all due respect mind you, that God can handle the judgment of those involved in abortion. He is the only capable being who can.

capt

Not all choices are legitimate or should be allowed by the law.

 

[Aaron409]

First off I love that bald eagle egg sentence. Don’t forget about wolves either, can’t hurt them.

Second the USA is now below the repopulation rate. We are at 2 births for every 1000 and we need to be at 2.1/1000. It doesn’t matter the numbers. Abortion is a terrible sin and God wont hold back to much longer if we keep going this way, and with the new President we got, it isn’t looking much better for the future.

 

[Aaron409]

Fetuses are babies. God created them so in essence your justifiying killing Gods creation by your “choice”. Whats the difference if I kill the baby when he/she is a couple weeks old.

It just shows how far away from God this society really is when killing a baby is a legal option.

 

[captbackfire]

First off I love that bald eagle egg sentence. Don’t forget about wolves either, can’t hurt them.

Second the USA is now below the repopulation rate. We are at 2 births for every 1000 and we need to be at 2.1/1000. It doesn’t matter the numbers. Abortion is a terrible sin and God wont hold back to much longer if we keep going this way, and with the new President we got, it isn’t looking much better for the future.

One says God doesn’t pay much attention to us because He has more important things to do; another insinuates that God will come down on us like a hammer “if we keep going this way.”

I’m amused at the diversity I find here.

capt

 

[Aaron409]

May God have mercy on your soul. I hope one day you are able to see the destructive choice of abortion.

 

[captbackfire]

May God have mercy on your soul. I hope one day you are able to see the destructive choice of abortion.

I do not endorse abortion. I endorse a human being’s right to exercise free will.

capt

 

[Tietjen]

I do not endorse abortion. I endorse a human being’s right to exercise free will.

capt

In other words, you don’t endorse murder, you simply endorse a brief that human beings should have the right to choose to murder. Okay… I understand that line of thinking.

OR

I don’t endorse someone punching an elderly woman in the face, I just endorse a human being’s right to do so should they choose to. Yeap, makes perfect sense.

God bless all, it’s been a long day.

 

[TamM]

I do not endorse abortion. I endorse a human being’s right to exercise free will.

capt

So where does that right end then capt, if not at the right to choose to murder your unborn “mistake”? I’ll pray you’re one day enlightened, cause there nothing else I can do if none of the brilliantly worded and well thought pro life arguments on this forum haven’t convinced you otherwise I realize there’s nothing I can say to enlighten you either.

It’s so ironic that abortion, or the choice, if that’s how your comfortable advocating it, is fought for by people who themselves weren’t aborted and were given the chance to live. May God Bless you with the knowledge to one day recognize the truth of what abortion, err…I mean “the choice” really is.

 

[captbackfire]

In other words, you don’t endorse murder, you simply endorse a** brief** ??] that human beings should have the right to choose to murder. Okay… I understand that line of thinking.

OR

I don’t endorse someone punching an elderly woman in the face, I just endorse a human being’s right to do so should they choose to. Yeap, makes perfect sense.

God bless all, it’s been a long day.

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OR

Human beings are endowed, by God, with free will. We choose our actions, sometimes carefully, sometimes not. We are all individually culpable for the decisions we make and the actions we take. Therefore, I do not hold you**** responsible for my abortion.

And what difference does it make whether the person who is hit is elderly? I thought pro-life advocates believed that all human life has equal value. The elderly woman who is punched in the face has more value than the longshoreman who is punched in the face?

"Round and round and round we spin
To weave a wall to hem us in
It won’t be long, it won’t be long . . . "

capt

 

[captbackfire]

So where does that right end then capt, if not at the right to choose to murder your unborn “mistake”? I’ll pray [STOP!] you’re one day enlightened, cause there nothing else I can do if none of the brilliantly worded and well thought pro life arguments on this forum haven’t convinced you otherwise I realize there’s nothing I can say to enlighten you either. ** Our views are different. One is not superior to the other. And I don’t recall asking you to “do” anything for me. So** [STOP!]

It’s so ironic that abortion, or the choice, if that’s how your comfortable advocating it, is fought for by people who themselves weren’t aborted and were given the chance to live. May God Bless you with the knowledge to one day recognize the truth of what abortion, err…I mean “the choice” really is. ** I do not equate choice (evaluation) with abortion (action).**

capt

 

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OR

Human beings are endowed, by God, with free will. We choose our actions, sometimes carefully, sometimes not. We are all individually culpable for the decisions we make and the actions we take. Therefore, I do not hold you**** responsible for my abortion.

The law should not allow such choices. Just as the law does not allow bank robbery.

And what difference does it make whether the person who is hit is elderly? I thought pro-life advocates believed that all human life has equal value. The elderly woman who is punched in the face has more value than the longshoreman who is punched in the face?

 

[Aaron409]

Capt.
Your right God did give us free will. It is a choice to kill an innocent baby. But if someone chooses that, why should we allow them to do it legally? Whats the difference if I were to kill my one week old daughter. Going by abortion supporters arguments, the one week old is just as useless. Its ridiculous to think that abortion has no ripple effect. It numbs down society to accepting murder. There is no respect for life.

What about the babies that survive the abortion? What are we to do with them? Should we just throw them in the trash like Obama would like? Have you ever seen someone who has survived a botched abortion?

 

[Marquette]

It’s so ironic that abortion, or the choice, if that’s how your comfortable advocating it, is fought for by people who themselves weren’t aborted and were given the chance to live. May God Bless you with the knowledge to one day recognize the truth of what abortion, err…I mean “the choice” really is.

Thank you, thank you, TamM. I wonder how many of we posters on the Catholic Forum would be here today if abortion were legal when we were conceived. I for one maybe would not. My mother didn’t want children. She had a hard childhood, went through the depression and WWII and felt she didn’t want to bring a child into that world.

My mother may not have been born either as my grandmother was a 17-year-old girl in 1915 when being pregnant and not married was a real scandal. She hid her pregnancy under large clothing and moved in with a cousin in another city, went to the hospital under an assumed name, and put an adoption ad in the newspaper of another state.

I highly suspect none of us would have to go back more than just a very few generations to find an unwanted ancestor who, if had been aborted, would have cancelled us out.

You know how they say suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, well the same can be said for abortion. There are thousands of infertile couples out there who would gladly accept that “problem” as theirs.

 

[SwizzleStick]

I posted this on another thread, but it applies here too. I apologize if someone else has already posted this article, though I did a search first and nothing came up.

SwizzleStick:

Abortion is devastating to all and affects our entire culture. It affects not only the aborted child and the parents, but also the surviving children, the next generations, survival of the human species, marriage, government, the Church, the medical community, and national and global security as outlined in the article below.

The Ripple Effect of Abortion
by Fr. Frank Pavone

Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to imagine. We may at times be tempted to think that we are not individually affected by the fact that others legally abort their children. But abortion does affect us all, personally and directly, whether we are aware of it or not.

The pro-life movement has done much to teach the public about the destructive harm that abortion does to the unborn child. Most people also have been informed about the negative impact abortion has on women’s health, as a result of the multiple physical and emotional complications of the procedure. But taking a brief look at the other circles of destruction brought on by abortion can be an even more sobering experience.

The Survivors

First of all, what does abortion do to the children who survive? Psychologists have now discovered “Abortion Survivor Syndrome,” a cluster of symptoms that mimic those of the soldiers who return from battle, and instead of feeling happy that they survived, feel guilty and anxious. “Could I have done something to keep my army buddy from getting killed? Why was it him and not me?”

Dr. Philip Ney, a Canadian expert and child psychiatrist, explains that children eventually ask, “I was born because mommy wanted me. What if she stops wanting me?”

The impact of being an abortion survivor should not be ignored as we try to understand why children shoot other children in schools. We’ve taught them to do so when we taught them that their lives were disposable. Children will not stop killing children until parents stop killing children.

The prospect that one could have been legally killed by his or her own parents is also a significant obstacle for our young people to hear the Gospel message of the Father’s unconditional love for them. …

Full article: holyspiritinteractive.net/features/prolife/frank_06.asp

 

[TamM]

Lord God, I thank you today for the gift of my life,
And for the lives of all my brothers and sisters.
I know there is nothing that destroys more life than abortion,
Yet I rejoice that you have conquered death
by the Resurrection of Your Son.
I am ready to do my part in ending abortion.
Today I commit myself Never to be silent,
Never to be passive,
Never to be forgetful of the unborn.
I commit myself to be active in the pro-life movement,
And never to stop defending life
Until all my brothers and sisters are protected,
And our nation once again becomes
A nation with liberty and justice Not just for some, but for all,
Through Christ our Lord.

Amen!

 

[captbackfire]

**Go back before the conception of the “unwanted” or “undesired” or “unplanned” offspring. Go back to the actual genesis of desensitization to the “sacredness of life”. Go back to the families who cannot discuss sexuality, the fathers who refuse to show love and affection to their daughters, the peers who humiliate their virgin schoolmates. What are the instigating circumstances that beget such ignorance, such emptiness, such a need to belong to something or somebody that invite boys and girls, men and women, to regard sexual activity as the solution to the problem?

Abortion is symptomatic of a greater failure in our society: the failure to love. All the whining in the world is not going to change abortion laws today. There is too much fixation on legislating morality and precious little on repairing familial relationships, educating children on the responsibilities of their sexuality, openness in communication. Even so, children will do what they must to feel a belonging and to create what they consider to be meaning in their lives. Unfortunately, this sometimes includes becoming sexually active. The same can be said for adults - most of us are searching for a way to not have to endure the walk of life alone.

What is the solution?** If you cut off the weed of abortion at ground level you still have the root beneath the surface leaching nutrients and water out of the soil to eventually spring back up. Rarely do I read on CAF what the solution might be - I mostly try and fail to digest the rhetorical references to “murderers” and a fight for the innocents. If a genuine fight to eradicate the need for abortion is to ensue, get it at root level. Don’t simply hack at it when it appears above ground. Where is the constructive thought on the subject? Whining and bluster amount to nothing.

capt

 

[captbackfire]

From Fr. Frank Pavone, “The Ripple Effect of Abortion”:

*"'First of all, what does abortion do to the children who survive? Psychologists have now discovered ‘Abortion Survivor Syndrome,’ a cluster of symptoms that mimic those of the soldiers who return from battle, and instead of feeling happy that they survived, feel guilty and anxious. ‘Could I have done something to keep my army buddy from getting killed? Why was it him and not me?’

Dr. Philip Ney, a Canadian expert and child psychiatrist, explains that children eventually ask, ‘I was born because mommy wanted me. What if she stops wanting me?’"*

**Lest anyone else walk away from this notion of children who survive abortion with bewilderment, I would like to add that Post Abortion Survivor Syndrome refers to children whose parents opt to abort *their sibling(s) ***for one reason or another. I just think Fr. Pavone worded it poorly and it could be interpreted as referring to a fetus that survived abortion.

capt