Ripple effect of Abortion on society

[captbackfire]

**TamM,

Can you please share with us the progress you have made within your community with regard to better social support, daycare, employment conditions, etc, for parents? Have your individual efforts realized an impact or are you part of an organization? I’m sincerely curious about your methods.**
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You have given us the following information: **** "I’ve advocated for family life of some sort, traditional or single . . . "** **What do you mean by this? Do you support a single parent who is gay?

Thanks.

capt **

 

[wanner47]

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I, capt, have not** spoken out “in favor of abortion.” I have spoken out in favor of allowing women and couples to decide without reproach what is best for them, their bodies, their lives within the scope of their own individual religious or spiritual beliefs. Sometimes this results in abortion. Sometimes it does not.

It is called choice.

Choice does not equal abortion.

capt

When the “choice” one is advocating is between murder or no murder, then yes, it’s pretty synonymous.

Either murder is murder or it is not. Murder cannot be right for one person but wrong for another. It is wrong in every case, plain and simple.

 

[hxcCatholic413]

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I need not look at your photos to know the point you are making. I saw my own 13-week-old fetus in an aspiration jar. I fully comprehend what transpired. I was grateful to have a full range of legal options then and I believe women today should continue to have a full range of options when faced with an unexpected or unwanted pregnancy.

I do not endorse abortion. Choice allows women to consider their relationship, their faith, their economic, mental and emotional stability, and the health of the fetus, among other factors. I would hope that each woman consider these factors honestly as she decides what she will do, but many do not.

The problem is not abortion. It is ignorance, an exaggerated need to belong to something or someone, rape, peer pressure, and a host of other components that bring women to the last house on the block: abortion. Because 27% of abortions are experienced by Catholic women, what would you tell them about how to avoid this tragedy? Would you give them the little pamphlets in your basket? “Natural Family Planning” and “Abstinence”? I don’t consider these viable options for women today, and neither do many Catholic women.

What is your** answer to this dilemma?

capt

Well I consider myself a religious person as you can see by my profile name. I consider myself a hardcore Catholic. One who tries to live a life like Jesus.In the beginning when I first became pro-life I thought of an approach similar to the Army of God (a violent pro-life extremist group), but then after I became closer to God through prayer and scripture I began to handle dilemmas in a whole different manner. I now ask myself what would Jesus do? Jesus would never take the violent path. A group like the Army of God disobeys the word of the Lord “the end doesn’t justify the means”. This quote means that you can’t do something bad to get a good thing in the end.

These women obviously are ignorant to the Lord’s word. What does it mean to be Catholic? Does it mean to terminate an abortion just because of peer pressure and rape? The Lord gives you confidence to tackle peer pressure. Even if your raped it doesn’t mean you have to destroy your babies life. A bad thing happened(the rape), but a good thing came out of it(a smiling baby). These women need to prayer to the Lord for answers, they need to speak to their pastor for guidance. There is several options for a woman besides abortion. Their is adoption, family services that can help raise your children, and of course the Lord himself. Who has more power than the Lord himself? God created us, we wouldn’t exist without him. This tragedy can be overcome.

 

[TamM]

**TamM,

Can you please share with us the progress you have made within your community with regard to better social support, daycare, employment conditions, etc, for parents? Have your individual efforts realized an impact or are you part of an organization? I’m sincerely curious about your methods.**
**
You have given us the following information: **** "I’ve advocated for family life of some sort, traditional or single . . . "** **What do you mean by this? Do you support a single parent who is gay?

Thanks.

capt **

I helped keep a high school for troubled kids open by appearing before the board and appearing in a major article in a local paper appealing to my city for support.

I volunteer at the annual children’s hospital telethon, helping raise money for sick kids.

I advocate against violence towards women and dedicated a year volunteering at a center for abused women.

My efforts joined with many other peoples have brought a national employer in Canada to have a work from home option that will expand within the next few years to make family life easier for up to 20 000 families.

My Prime Minister has started giving every one with a child under the age of six (whether or not the parent(s) are gay) $100 a month towards daycare costs. Quebec has a $10 a day cap on daycare expenses. Everyone in Canada has free health care, now we advocate for dental care. Maybe the money Canadians spend on free abortions could be diverted there…no…makes more sense to prevent the birth of future tax payers then prevent heart disease caused by plaque…

I advocate for lots of stuff…change takes time. I’ve seen things start to change. More positive change is coming and I hope I live to see it. I advocate by talking to whoever will listen and writing to papers, giving my time and financial support where I can. You never know who is listening, or where your message will go.

All of these things serve to foster a better family life regardless of marital status or sexual orientation.

I laughed when I read your statement about single gay parents, cause that is a huge issue around here, as Canadian gays aren’t bound by the same rules of reproduction as the rest of the world. So of course I support them too!

In all seriousness, I don’t care how the baby came to be or what it’s parent’s sexual orientation is. It still deserves a chance to have a life, a chance to have a good baby sitter, free health care, a good education, healthy meals, etc. This is about abortion, not homosexuality, so let’s not get off topic here.

 

[LisaForLife]

Try Human Life International…it looks like they might have some info. under their Resources section, bottom left on the front page of their website. Or try hli.org/sl_offer.php (for free Research Series pamphlet)

 

[lizaanne]

About 8 months ago I caught the tail end of a monologue on EWTN Radio. I do not know the name of the female host of the program but she was speaking on a report which outlined what society has lost do to abortion. For example, (I’m making up the numbers here because I do not remember what they were…

Since abortion has become legal and with the abortion rate being 1.3 million abortions annually since that time, we have:
9000 less doctors to treat us when we become ill
3000 less priests within the Church
etc…
etc…
etc…

The host of the show was reading this information from a source that is unknown to me (because I didn’t catch the first part of the monologue). I was HOPING that perhaps someone here might know where I can find these numbers. I have scoured the internet and the only things I have found are the effects of Abortion on the mother, father, economy, etc. etc. Nothing however, that depicts the human resources lost due to abortion specifically. When over a million babies are killed a year, there has got to be a breakdown somewhere of what those millions upon millions of actual people would have contributed to society had they been allowed to be born based on the same number of babies who were in fact born. Anybody?

Go to this site: thecostofabortion.com/

There you can watch an entire show about these statistics, as well as find supporting documentation.

~Liza

 

[JKing]

Hmmm… Thanks to everyone who contributed. Yes, I understand that each life is priceless; however, I was and still am interested in the data spoken about. Yes, I also understand that along with the “good” people lost in abortion there are also “bad” people like “murders.” However, these people too are priceless in the eyes of God. Now, since my question was not addressed I assume that no one knows where I can find the information I requested when I began the thread. Thanks anyway, and God bless.

I didn’t read to the end yet, so if someone has already answered your question, I apologize. The speaker was Barbara McGuigan. She’s a life-long pro-life movement crusader. She’s the Tuesday host of “Open Line”. The link below is to EWTN’s archived programs. If you can remember when the program was aired you can scroll back in time to listen to the broadcast again.

ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?seriesID=6725&T1=Open+Line

Barbara also has her own website where I think you can get transcripts of her monologs.

voiceofvirtue.org/index.asp

Hope this helps. And again if someone has already supplied this info for you, I apologize.

St. Max, pray for us.

Jeff

 

[mvercimak]

I have been following this thread from the beganning. The opinions and information are riviting. Captbackfire seems to me to be an individual of deep thought, remarkable intelligence and great tenacity. She also seems to be a person carrying a great burden of pain. If it is still possible for her to reply I would like to ask her a question. You seem to have a deep concern for those men and women who ultimately resort to abortion as their choice and you seem to share with your opponents in this thread the view that it is an undesireable solution [albiet-in your opinion-sometimes necessary]. My question is, therefore, if you do truely do not feel a 13 week old fetus [or any unborn child for that matter] is a human being then why do you think it would be better if there were any less abortions or that it is not a perfectly reasonable way do deal with an unwanted pregnancy? If it is just ‘tissue’ then (in your view) there should be no more moral delimma between removing it and someone’s pesty symptomatic gallbladder. Please don’t misunderstand that I am trying to put words in your mouth. I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to understand the disconnect between your view of the tissue in a gravid woman’s womb and what I percieve in your writings is some measure of sorrow that, for whatever reason, some people ultimately choose to terminate their pregnancy.

 

[Tietjen]

I didn’t read to the end yet, so if someone has already answered your question, I apologize. The speaker was Barbara McGuigan. She’s a life-long pro-life movement crusader. She’s the Tuesday host of “Open Line”. The link below is to EWTN’s archived programs. If you can remember when the program was aired you can scroll back in time to listen to the broadcast again.

ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?seriesID=6725&T1=Open+Line

Barbara also has her own website where I think you can get transcripts of her monologs.

voiceofvirtue.org/index.asp

Hope this helps. And again if someone has already supplied this info for you, I apologize.

St. Max, pray for us.

Jeff

Thank you very much for the information. I’ve just finished sending off an email to Ms. McGuigan requesting the transcript. For me, this approach hit home more closely than hearing about numbers and lost revenue from a reduced labor force. This approach instead placed a stethoscope around the neck of a human being that was not there to treat me for an ailment. It placed a collar on the neck of an unrealized Priest, who fell victim to convenience. It humanized what it is that we have lost by our (not yours or mine but by society as a whole) apathy toward the killing of our children.

 

[LotusCarsLtd]

Media in gereral promotes promiscuity and adultery, not to mention other things. I shudder every time I watch t.v, to think teenagers and children are getting ideas and building morales on what they see in TV, hear on the radio, and read in print. As a parent I try to discuss it with my child, but I know there is only so much I can say and do to counter the effects of society. It’s disheartening. All the while, the under current thought is that pregnancy is a side effect of this behaviour that can be dealt with with an abortion. The Media is definitely guilty.

Definitely. It is rather disturbing how morals have been removed from society and replaced with some twisted form of subjective “what’s-true-for-you-isn’t-true-for-me” morality. And yet no one sees the great damage being done to society because morality has been abandoned. Any attempt to point this fact out is ridiculed and/or ignored.