Risk management, and our afterlives

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Even as I like to talk about how I’m not worried about the afterlife, according to most Catholics who say they speak the Church’s truth, I cannot be “assured of my own salvation.”

But based on my experience at risk management, and predicting the “useful life” of parts expected to last many years after it’s too late to find out, there are ways to put it into perspective. Mathematically, or at least a bit of arm waving helps me at times.

Well, what can I be assured of? If I’m reasonably sane, I have some idea what sorts of behavior I am likely to willfully participate in within the next five minutes. Or hour, day, week, or more.

For example, I bet my own lives and those of my loved ones, that I’m not about to spread gasoline around the house and torch it up, within the next five minutes. Sure maybe somebody will shoot an arrow through my head and I’ll run berserk and do that. So yes it’s possible. But likely? If it were more than a chance in 100 million according to anybody credible, I’d be locked up right now.

And I have experience at doing some really weird things for really weird motives so I can understand some pretty strange behavior.

Here’s another thing I’m not about to do. I’m not about to get a gun, go shoot people, and then yell that God hates me and I am joining Satan, and then shoot myself. Some think that anybody might “snap” at any time. Possible, yes. Likely? No.

Let’s say I’m not planning my life around it. Yes, an airplane might crash into the roof of my house and kill me before I press “Enter” another time, but if I actually think that is worthy of my constant attention – as in having greater awareness or vigilance will keep any stray planes away from my roof – then IMO I’m spending a lot of resources on a long shot, to the point I waste my life worrying about something that is possible yes but unlikely. But moreover outside my control except not to do anything to make myself a target like build my house right across the street from a runway.

So: how likely is it that I’m going to “mortally sin” within the next five minutes? Hour? Day? What does it take – full knowledge and consent? That means that within the next five minutes, am I likely to say to God on any issue, “I understand exactly what you want me to do God, but I refuse and accept damnation because I’m now taking my own path instead of the one I believe you want me on,” which is in my mind about what mortal sin really is like doing.

St. Teresa of Avila put it much more poetically. I can’t find it now but I’ll add it if I do.

So realistically, unless we’re in the midst of a faith crisis that is pretty strong and unpredictable, how many of us really envision ourselves going, “oops decided to willfully defy God today on something He really wants me to do.”

Yes I may be wrong in discerning His will or whatever, but am I going to intentionally turn away from him? Isn’t that the essence of mortal sin, that I have free will to choose, full knowledge to make an informed decision to go against God, and after all that, do it anyway?

Why is “mortal sin” such a scary day-to-day topic? It’s a very serious issue, but one that we have to always be looking for, like it’s hiding around the corner to catch us off-guard just in case we’re not watching?

All I’m asking is a perspective: except for scrupulosity or near cases of it, who actually lives in seemingly realistic fear of morally sinning any time soon, and then even after so doing dies before confessing? Faith crisis, you may not be able to answer confidently so I’m not trying to tweak anyone here but to share some ideas.

Is it like a fear that if I get shot then in my last few thoughts I think something sinful or blasphemous? To me that’s only a real threat if I’ve lived my life hiding all kinds of sinful junk that I have not addressed, which can be very burdensome and I maybe I’m answering my own question in part. It can be a scary thing because it’s the Worst Possible Thing. But how can my worrying about it help, in addition to having no desire to defy God? I suggest, maybe none.

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Good points to ponder. I’m not overly scrupulous and I have many of the same feelings you do…while I’m not perfect, I’m reasonably certain that I’m not going to jump into degradation and mortal sin unexpectedly. I have a friend, though–the same one who got me back into the Church ten yrs ago–she’s consulting mediums and is now getting into the occult. She used to be the best Catholic apologist. She had 3-ring binders of info she had gathered from the Church fathers all the way up through history that she’d compiled herself and organized into many indexed chapters. She had converted co-workers who were 7th Day Adventists and reverted most of her own family. She was the LAST person I thought would drift away!

So what happened? She drifted away, so slowly that I bet she didn’t think anything of it. I sure didn’t. She’d been accompanying me for awhile to my parish church, then she wasn’t there. I assumed she was going to her own church and kinda “pushing me out of the nest.” Fast forward a few years and today her FB page has links for “spiritual readings” “faith healers” and worse! I sent her a few short clips of Catholic denouncements of these activities, which she ignored. All I can do is pray for her. She knows my feelings.

Was she a big target for Satan? Was she prideful in her achievements? I don’t know…I never thought so. What happened to my friend just shows me (and others around here) we must always be on our guards and work out our salvation(s) with fear and trembling. God bless you! Happy New Year to all!
 
So what happened? She drifted away, so slowly that I bet she didn’t think anything of it. I sure didn’t. She’d been accompanying me for awhile to my parish church, then she wasn’t there. I assumed she was going to her own church and kinda “pushing me out of the nest.” Fast forward a few years and today her FB page has links for “spiritual readings” “faith healers” and worse! I sent her a few short clips of Catholic denouncements of these activities, which she ignored. All I can do is pray for her. She knows my feelings.

Was she a big target for Satan? Was she prideful in her achievements? I don’t know…I never thought so. What happened to my friend just shows me (and others around here) we must always be on our guards and work out our salvation(s) with fear and trembling. God bless you! Happy New Year to all!
Could it be a time to try a new strategy? If you don’t feel uneasy reading through it, I love to find when my little new-agey FB friends say something I can endorse, as from their own heart and not their false belief systems, and I encourage that. I ignore the posts and comments that discuss their religion (let the weeds grow lest I pull up the wheat) but instead find parallels of analogy.

Like if they say, “the universe has unlimited power,” that to me is like, “all things are possible with God,” but that one isn’t likely to sell… so I lie in wait until a brief Bible excerpt can actually help make a point they want to make.

I can’t find a particular example right quick here, but I listen through lots of their “noise” until I find something I can essentially “Amen,” and maybe once out of three times, I’ll preface it like, "In the Christian tradition, Jesus wrote, ‘we are all one spirit.’ " They may have a different notion of “spirit” than I do, but who really knows the spirit, and it doesn’t make it any less true. Sorry for the lameness of that example. It’s been a while since I’ve planted many “Jesus seeds” in new age territory… now I argue with people in groups who argue about whether “they” even exist. Great potential for fun and stupidity. 😃
 
Could it be a time to try a new strategy? If you don’t feel uneasy reading through it, I love to find when my little new-agey FB friends say something I can endorse, as from their own heart and not their false belief systems, and I encourage that. I ignore the posts and comments that discuss their religion (let the weeds grow lest I pull up the wheat) but instead find parallels of analogy.

Like if they say, “the universe has unlimited power,” that to me is like, “all things are possible with God,” but that one isn’t likely to sell… so I lie in wait until a brief Bible excerpt can actually help make a point they want to make.

I can’t find a particular example right quick here, but I listen through lots of their “noise” until I find something I can essentially “Amen,” and maybe once out of three times, I’ll preface it like, "In the Christian tradition, Jesus wrote, ‘we are all one spirit.’ " They may have a different notion of “spirit” than I do, but who really knows the spirit, and it doesn’t make it any less true. Sorry for the lameness of that example. It’s been a while since I’ve planted many “Jesus seeds” in new age territory… now I argue with people in groups who argue about whether “they” even exist. Great potential for fun and stupidity. 😃
Thank you, yes, I do think it’s time for a new strategy…I’ve been looking the other way for too long, because this is a woman who LOVES to argue…after all she argued me back into the Church after 20 years out. I had been praying for four years to know the Truth, but she didn’t know that.

LOL @ "Great potential… " I used to argue with online atheists, esp on the “Q…” website, but I don’t like to ruin my own day by fighting with someone. I try to say it all in one or two posts, then leave, so I’m amazed at people who go the distance. Cheers!
 
The Imitation of Christ

Thomas A Kempis

CHAPTER XXXV

That there is no security against temptation in this life

"My Son, thou art never secure in this life, but thy spiritual armour will always be needful for thee as long as thou livest. Thou dwellest among foes, and art attacked on the right hand and on the left. If therefore thou use not on all sides the shield of patience, thou wilt not remain long unwounded. Above all, if thou keep not thy heart fixed upon Me with steadfast purpose to bear all things for My sake, thou shalt not be able to bear the
fierceness of the attack, nor to attain to the victory of the blessed. Therefore must thou struggle bravely all thy life through, and put forth a strong hand against those things which
oppose thee. For to him that overcometh is the hidden manna given,(1) but great misery is reserved for the slothful.
  1. "If thou seek rest in this life, how then wilt thou attain unto the rest which is eternal? Set not thyself to attain much rest, but much patience. Seek the true peace, not in earth but
    in heaven, not in man nor in any created thing, but in God alone. For the love of God thou must willingly undergo all things, whether labours or sorrows, temptations, vexations, anxieties, necessities, infirmities, injuries, gainsayings, rebukes, humiliations, confusions, corrections, despisings; these things help unto virtue, these things prove the scholar of Christ; these things fashion the heavenly crown. I will give thee an eternal reward for short labour, and infinite glory for transient shame.
  2. “Thinkest thou that thou shalt always have spiritual consolations at thy will? My Saints had never such, but instead thereof manifold griefs, and divers temptations, and heavy
    desolations. But patiently they bore themselves in all, and trusted in God more than in themselves, knowing that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared
    with the glory which shall be revealed in us.(2) Wouldst thou have that immediately which many have hardly attained unto after many tears and hard labours? Wait for the Lord, quit thyself like a man and be strong; be not faint-hearted, nor go aside from Me, but constantly devote thy body and soul to the glory of God. I will reward thee plenteously, I will be with thee in trouble.”(3)
(1) Revelation ii. 17. (2) Romans viii. 17.
(3) Psalm xci. 15.

Peace
 
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