Rite of Baptism Question

[hudson]

Would it be normal for me to ask for my son’s baptism be performed according to the Rite of Baptism in the 1962 Missal? I am unsure, but you may say they are all performed by this Rite. From what I have been told and read, a lot of it is left out now days. I would like to start at the door of the church and proceed from there. I know there were exorcisms and things that I am sure they do not do now. Is it ok to ask the Priest of NO church to do it this way?

 

[Will_S]

Would it be normal for me to ask for my son’s baptism be performed according to the Rite of Baptism in the 1962 Missal? I am unsure, but you may say they are all performed by this Rite. From what I have been told and read, a lot of it is left out now days. I would like to start at the door of the church and proceed from there. I know there were exorcisms and things that I am sure they do not do now. Is it ok to ask the Priest of NO church to do it this way?

Yes it just fine to ask for it. To receive the sacraments in their traditional form is permitted and, perhaps, even encouraged by the Pope for those of the faithful who request them.

Having said that, the priest might refuse to do it. If he claims it’s not allowed, or it’s silly, then he’s wrong. If he says he wishes he could fulfill your request, but can’t because he doesn’t know the rite and/or doesn’t have sufficient proficiency in Latin, then that’s a reasonable reason to refuse.

In that case, however, you could look around and see if you can find another priest to perform the baptism, with the blessing of your parish priest.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Would it be normal for me to ask for my son’s baptism be performed according to the Rite of Baptism in the 1962 Missal? I am unsure, but you may say they are all performed by this Rite. From what I have been told and read, a lot of it is left out now days. I would like to start at the door of the church and proceed from there. I know there were exorcisms and things that I am sure they do not do now. Is it ok to ask the Priest of NO church to do it this way?

A lot is left out of what? When it comes down to it, all we need are the words “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” Together with the pouring of or immersion in water. Also the proper intent.

Whats a “NO church”?

 

[hudson]

Can it be done in the 1962 form but still in English? I bought the Baptism book from Angelus Press that has both side by side. Novus Ordo. Is that not appropriate to say? I wanted to distinguish that I go to a church that has the NO Mass and not FSSP or SSPX where the TLM is done.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Can it be done in the 1962 form but still in English? I bought the Baptism book from Angelus Press that has both side by side.

No. The 1962 Rites are in Latin. The English are just for your reference.

 

[hudson]

Thanks for answering my questions but dont feel like I have some sinister meaning behind my question. I am just returning to the church and find the desire to do things more traditionally.

 

[Will_S]

Can it be done in the 1962 form but still in English? I bought the Baptism book from Angelus Press that has both side by side. Novus Ordo. Is that not appropriate to say? I wanted to distinguish that I go to that type church and not fssp or sspx.
ConstantineTG;7939489:

No. The 1962 Rites are in Latin. The English are just for your reference.

That’s not quite right. In the traditional baptism parts of the rite are usually done in the vernacular (the parts that require direct interaction with the godparent) and the rest is done in Latin.

 

[hudson]

A lot is left out of what? When it comes down to it, all we need are the words “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” Together with the pouring of or immersion in water. Also the proper intent.

So are you saying everything else I read that was included in the Rite of Baptism from 1962 is not needed and irrelevant?

 

[Stylites]

Whats a “NO church”?

Who no’s? I was taught that there is only one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

 

[runningdude]

So are you saying everything else I read that was included in the Rite of Baptism from 1962 is not needed and irrelevant?

I think more of the 1962 Rite is preserved in the current form than you might think, though at lot more seems to be optional. You might ask for a “solemn” baptism, or review what you options are with the priest.

1962 Tridentine version
sanctamissa.org/en/resources/books-1962/rituale-romanum/09-baptism-of-children.html

Ordinary form of the rite
parishofstluke.net/sacraments/baptism/rite/index.htm

The Tridentine version is more complex, but much of the text includes blessings of water and oil, which are omitted if previous blessed materials are used. There are also more prayers of exorcism, most of which are conducted before entering the church.

 

[Cristiano]

Would it be normal for me to ask for my son’s baptism be performed according to the Rite of Baptism in the 1962 Missal? I am unsure, but you may say they are all performed by this Rite. From what I have been told and read, a lot of it is left out now days. I would like to start at the door of the church and proceed from there. I know there were exorcisms and things that I am sure they do not do now. Is it ok to ask the Priest of NO church to do it this way?

Make sure that you do not make this choice out of superstition! Just because some words are left out that does not mean that the graces of baptism are less efficient. The sacrament has the same sanctifying effect in either form. Following traditions is good if the understanding is correct.

 

[Peggy_in_Burien]

Who no’s? I was taught that there is only one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

The “NO” stands for Novus Ordo, or the New Mass, adopted after Vatican II. It is also referred to as the “OF” or Ordinary Form. This Mass is in the venacular.“EF” stands for Extraordinary Form, which refers to the 1962 Missal Mass, in Latin.

Both forms are recognized, legit, and valid. There is only One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, just different versions of Mass.

Hope this helps.

 

[mullenpm]

Hudson, I am incredibly disturbed by this business of the “NO” church and the “Traditional” church. And, in fact, I don’t like the use of the initials “NO” because it appears that you, for some reason, believe that some churches are not licit.

There is no such thing. We are ONE church and baptisms done now are as valid as baptisms done prior to 1962.

You say you are “returning” to the church and want things to be done in the manner of the Old Rite.

It is more important, as a returning Catholic, to do things in accordance with obedience to the Magisterium - WE ARE ALL THE SAME CATHOLIC CHURCH.:knight1:

 

[Will_S]

Make sure that you do not make this choice out of superstition! Just because some words are left out that does not mean that the graces of baptism are less efficient. The sacrament has the same sanctifying effect in either form. Following traditions is good if the understanding is correct.

Make very sure that you do not choose the new rite of baptism out of superstition! Just because it is done in the vernacular does not mean that it is more meaningful. The sacrament has the same sanctifying effect in either form. Following novelties is acceptable if the faith is correct.

 

[Will_S]

Hudson, I am incredibly disturbed by this business of the “NO” church and the “Traditional” church. And, in fact, I don’t like the use of the initials “NO” because it appears that you, for some reason, believe that some churches are not licit.

How is that? “NO” means “Novus Ordo” not “Not Licit”.

You say you are “returning” to the church and want things to be done in the manner of the Old Rite.

It is more important, as a returning Catholic, to do things in accordance with obedience to the Magisterium - WE ARE ALL THE SAME CATHOLIC CHURCH.:knight1:

The Magisterium permits the traditional form of the sacrament of baptism.

 

[mullenpm]

Will S,

I know exactly what “NO” means; I grew up in the Church in the early 30’s so I know when the changes took place.

And I also know that the “Traditional” rite of Baptism is allowed by the Magisterium.

My point is — the use of the initials NO are primarily used by some people as a derogatory term to insult the present celebration of the Pauline Mass. They don’t usually spell out the full words Novus Ordo.

And shopping around to find a Priest who will perform a Baptism to suit the wishes of the parent seems wrong. Have your child baptised in your Parish, by your Priest. Why the need for all the promp and circumstance.

 

[Peggy_in_Burien]

Will S,

I know exactly what “NO” means; I grew up in the Church in the early 30’s so I know when the changes took place.

And I also know that the “Traditional” rite of Baptism is allowed by the Magisterium.

My point is — the use of the initials NO are primarily used by some people as a derogatory term to insult the present celebration of the Pauline Mass. They don’t usually spell out the full words Novus Ordo.

And shopping around to find a Priest who will perform a Baptism to suit the wishes of the parent seems wrong. Have your child baptised in your Parish, by your Priest. Why the need for all the promp and circumstance.

Well, we also call the Novus Ordo by the inititials “OF” which stands for Ordinary Form. Is this upsetting? I hope not. I don’t think any one meant any disrespect. The Tridentine Latin Mass is abbreviated “TLM” and I don’t take offence. I attend the TLM, which is also known as the “EF” (Extraordinary Form) at a parish run by the FSSP, and I’m not offended.

With all the typing and texting people do now days, I’m surprised anyone spells anything out in full. IMHO

I hope this thread isn’t derailed because I chose to explain to one poster what NO stood for.

 

[hudson]

I guess some people in this thread know what’s in my heart better than me. It seems to me some people have an absolute hate for anything traditional. I am a member of a parish that does the NO Mass in a very reverant traditional manner and I love it. They also do an EF Mass once a month that I feel more drawn to. Is that wrong? Is it wrong that I read the entire Rite of Baptism and also feel the desire to have it done in that manner?

 

[puzzleannie]

your pastor has jurisdiction over celebration of sacrament for those who reside in his parish boundaries. Go to him and make your request, but it is his decision, not yours. The hallmark of the traditional Catholic is obedience. you do not go shopping for a priest who will do things your way. If you are not happy with the reverence shown toward Mass and sacraments in general in your parish you are free to join another one (which you rarely would have been in the “old days”) including one that offers the EF for Mass, and presumably other sacraments, but you don’t boss your own pastor around.

 

[hudson]

I never said I would tell or boss the Priest. My original post stated would it be ok to “ask” the Priest to do the baptism in this manner.