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Arba Sicula:
You can say the same about a man forced to steal food to feed his family. He’s probably someone basically law abiding, but is being forced by circumstances to do something illegal. One can at least sympathize with the plight of such people.
I think the recent story on the immigrants who drowned on that fishing boat stated that they had paid $10,000 each for the trip. That sounds a bit above the poverty level to me. :rolleyes:
 
Thats one of my points… they supposedly pay these coyotes (smugglers) $1500 per person to be smuggled over the border. If they can come up with that kind of cash… they can come over legally.
Joe Kelley:
I think the recent story on the immigrants who drowned on that fishing boat stated that they had paid $10,000 each for the trip. That sounds a bit above the poverty level to me. :rolleyes:
 
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Jeffrey:
Thats one of my points… they supposedly pay these coyotes (smugglers) $1500 per person to be smuggled over the border. If they can come up with that kind of cash… they can come over legally.
Really? What type of visa do you suggest they get to allow them to wash dishes and clean toilets? Do you know how to get a work visa for the United States?

Mike
 
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MikeWM:
Really? What type of visa do you suggest they get to allow them to wash dishes and clean toilets? Do you know how to get a work visa for the United States?

Mike
I have the gnawing feeling you are trying to tell us something. I just don’t know what it is. Could you clarify?
 
Ani Ibi:
I have the gnawing feeling you are trying to tell us something. I just don’t know what it is. Could you clarify?
I’m just interested as to how you legally get into the United States with $1500 and no job arranged and legally work once you get there.

I have an odd feeling that it’s not actually possible.

Mike
 
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MikeWM:
Really? What type of visa do you suggest they get to allow them to wash dishes and clean toilets? Do you know how to get a work visa for the United States?

Mike
Most of the ones I know work in construction and make between $500 and $1,500 a week, hardly dishwasher pay. BTW, they all have green cards.
 
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geezerbob:
Most of the ones I know work in construction and make between $500 and $1,500 a week, hardly dishwasher pay. BTW, they all have green cards.
I don’t doubt they do have green cards. It’s the path they took to get them in the first place that’s the interesting question.

Mike
 
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MikeWM:
I’m just interested as to how you legally get into the United States with $1500 and no job arranged and legally work once you get there.

I have an odd feeling that it’s not actually possible.

Mike
I don’t think it’s possible either. And now I am totally confused. I thought all along that we were talking about illegal immigrants. I don’t have any problem at all with legal immigrants. God bless them.
 
Even better… they can stay in thier own country… come over legal… or not at all… pretty simple.
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MikeWM:
Really? What type of visa do you suggest they get to allow them to wash dishes and clean toilets? Do you know how to get a work visa for the United States?

Mike
 
The fees to file for legal status in the United States run between $700 and $1000. Well under the $1500 or more that the immigrants pay to enter illegally. The reason why they do that is that they don’t want to wait OUTSIDE the United States for their paperwork to be approved. Also, the United States, Canada, and Mexico have an agreement that allows Canadian and Mexican citizens to enter the country without a visa, stay for a certain amount of time, and if they choose, can apply for a change of immigration status within the allotted time period.

There is NO reason why ANY immigrant has to come to this country illegally. If they work within the parameters of the law, have patience, then they can reap the fruits of this country.

Also, consider this: if a person is caught here illegally, they forfeit their chances of getting legal status in the US. They’re really messing things up for themselves trying it this way.

From one who knows! 👍
 
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Jeffrey:
Even better… they can stay in thier own country… come over legal… or not at all… pretty simple.
I wasn’t making a statement beyond the fact that simply having $1500 wouldn’t get you very in living and working in the US legally.

Mike
 
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Tonks40:
The fees to file for legal status in the United States run between $700 and $1000. Well under the $1500 or more that the immigrants pay to enter illegally. The reason why they do that is that they don’t want to wait OUTSIDE the United States for their paperwork to be approved. Also, the United States, Canada, and Mexico have an agreement that allows Canadian and Mexican citizens to enter the country without a visa, stay for a certain amount of time, and if they choose, can apply for a change of immigration status within the allotted time period.
Yes - but I wasn’t talking about just the filing fee. Filling in the I-485 and paying the filing fee isn’t difficult, it’s the steps on the way there that are the issue.

I can’t imagine anyone working in a restaurant or as a cleaner managing to get labor certification, for example.

Mike
 
I dunno… Tonks40 makes a good arguement. And… i think it can be done. For quite a few years ppl have been migrating here legally. It can be done… ppl just don’t want to take the time to do it right it seems.
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MikeWM:
I wasn’t making a statement beyond the fact that simply having $1500 wouldn’t get you very in living and working in the US legally.

Mike
 
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Jeffrey:
I dunno… Tonks40 makes a good arguement. And… i think it can be done. For quite a few years ppl have been migrating here legally. It can be done… ppl just don’t want to take the time to do it right it seems.
Oh, of course it can be done, if you’ve got a degree and a specialised job and so forth. I almost did it myself.

But I’ve no idea what kind of visa someone from Mexico could get to let him work as a pot-washer or toilet-cleaner. I severely doubt there is such a visa type.

I know there’s the green card lottery - but that’s exactly what it is, a lottery, a very long shot.

Mike
 
Since everyone wants to come here, isn’t it time we sent the Marines down to set up a proper government for them so they can be happy at home?😉
 
LOL!
Joe Kelley:
Since everyone wants to come here, isn’t it time we sent the Marines down to set up a proper government for them so they can be happy at home?😉
 
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MikeWM:
Oh, of course it can be done, if you’ve got a degree and a specialised job and so forth. I almost did it myself.

But I’ve no idea what kind of visa someone from Mexico could get to let him work as a pot-washer or toilet-cleaner. I severely doubt there is such a visa type.

I know there’s the green card lottery - but that’s exactly what it is, a lottery, a very long shot.

Mike
What exactly are you saying? It seems to me that you are saying that Mexicans wanting to be potwashers in the U.S. have some sort of divine right to a green card. Please tell me that this is not so.
 
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MikeWM:
Oh, of course it can be done, if you’ve got a degree and a specialised job and so forth. I almost did it myself.

But I’ve no idea what kind of visa someone from Mexico could get to let him work as a pot-washer or toilet-cleaner. I severely doubt there is such a visa type.

I know there’s the green card lottery - but that’s exactly what it is, a lottery, a very long shot.

Mike
Believe or not, the ones who do want to work here in the US do have something called a “work permit.” With a social security card, they can file to recieve a work permit (all immigrants to the US are issued one automatically). There are many here on the border that actually don’t want to lose their residency in Mexico - they come over here, work permit in hand, and work in the US. They get their state and federal income tax taken out just like the rest of us, and at the end of the work day, go back to Mexico to sleep. My husband knows of many who don’t mind doing the menial jobs here, because they know that they get a fairer wage here than they would in Mexico. They’re just happy to have the chance, and many do move up to better positions after working hard. My husband’s assistant started out as a pot-washer, and now helps him in his cooking section (a pretty demanding section too).

Taking the time to truely understand the immigration system here does pay off for many. And those are the ones I salute! 👍

Work permits are good for a year, I believe, then they have to renew it on a yearly basis.
 
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Tonks40:
Believe or not, the ones who do want to work here in the US do have something called a “work permit.” With a social security card, they can file to recieve a work permit (all immigrants to the US are issued one automatically). There are many here on the border that actually don’t want to lose their residency in Mexico - they come over here, work permit in hand, and work in the US. They get their state and federal income tax taken out just like the rest of us, and at the end of the work day, go back to Mexico to sleep. My husband knows of many who don’t mind doing the menial jobs here, because they know that they get a fairer wage here than they would in Mexico. They’re just happy to have the chance, and many do move up to better positions after working hard. My husband’s assistant started out as a pot-washer, and now helps him in his cooking section (a pretty demanding section too).

Taking the time to truely understand the immigration system here does pay off for many. And those are the ones I salute! 👍

Work permits are good for a year, I believe, then they have to renew it on a yearly basis.
 
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