Romance vs. Practicality in Marriage

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OK, I need to revive this thread, because there are some new circumstances and I need some external advice, because I am too much into the situation and can not evaluate it rationally right now (I admit it).

He was open enough to share that he has also some student loan and another loan (no shocking amounts though, may be an annual low salary income), and I came to understand that he might find a way to offer me accommodation for a few months, but then subtly hinted that he expects me to take over and support him for the rest of this study and he can get some unemployment benefits, etc.

**He ought to be able to support himself during his graduate studies or not continue with them, particularly as a 30-something.

What you see is what you get. If you marry him when he isn’t supporting himself, he will most likely continue not supporting himself.
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I am struggling between my feelings - because he is really invested in faith and is fully on board with the idea of chastity before marriage, NFP, etc. and treats me so well, that even when he makes some hints to justly criticize me he does not hurt me or judge me, just makes me feel ashamed of myself.

**Doesn’t that make it worse? Wouldn’t it be better if he would communicate more clearly and forthrightly?

Bear in mind that our Eastern Orthodox brethren can be a little squishy on the subject of contraception, so that if the going gets tough with regard to NFP, he won’t have a lot of support from his faith to keep him going with it.**

But the issue is that I have been in a situation, when I was used for money, a guy pleaded to my mercy with the pretense that his mother was ill and I was too young to recognize the deceit and gave him all of savings (equal to 2 salaries), my current BF on the other hand has been in relationship of convenience before he got so serious about faith, and I can’t help feeling used in the whole thing. I understand that even in marriage one might have an issue with money and the other one supports or even both can get in trouble and it should not distort the relationship, but to start like that - I found it somewhat ridiculous that a foreigner, and a woman should support a local in his own country.

**Your boyfriend should support himself. There shouldn’t be any unnecessary financial entanglements between you as boyfriend and girlfriend or even as fiances. (My sister also had a situation as a young woman when she lent a boyfriend $800 and he vanished from her life, when $800 was a lot of money to her. Best $800 she ever spent, I think.)

When you are married, it is fair that sometimes one or the other needs to carry more of the load, but before marriage, I think both ought to demonstrate the ability to carry themselves.**

I would even go as far as to propose to him to come to my country, I am OK with being the provider, as long as he is kind, and loving and he will get all the due respect from me. And I would be even able to buy an apartment without any credit in a couple of years.
Or even may be I might consider to wait until he graduates… and then we can decide together what is best for a future family.

**I don’t think you should wait for him, especially if he is planning on a doctorate.

Even in your country, he ought to be able to make at least a small income. Remember, he’s already lived all over the world. **

Just for me it is too much of a responsibility for me as a foreigner to find a job and do well enough to support a student and possibly a child and I am afraid I might not be able to do so well.

What are your thoughts on that?

**I think you’re right. **

P.S.: So far, because I am really ambitious I have only been in a circle of fairly successful men, but I don’t think from a Christian point of view this is supposed to be the leading criteria for choosing a husband, it should evolve more around common values.
One of the common values that is important to a family is, “Each of us will do our best to contribute to our family and household. Neither of us is going to be simply a passenger. We will both contribute to the best of our abilities.”
 
Again, he is not the one for you. Red flags all over the place. But you know that already or you wouldn’t be here asking us. Again.
 
Probably you are right. We had a long conversation this evening and he said he would support me until I find the right job for me, he understands that I have to rebuild my career.

Thanks for all the advices, I should stop asking all the time on the forums, it’s better to man up and take my decisions as a grown up, mature person that I am on my age. It is not like I am not able to see the pitfalls clearly…

God bless!
 
Nadq,

I wonder if you are wearing rose coloured glasses here. I’m Australian and my son moved into an apartment here sharing with a 24 year old girl from Ukraine about 6 months ago. She had married an Aussie she met over the internet, she came over but it quite quickly ended in divorce and she was left with bills and a few months of lease. She has now moved back to Ukraine. The type of guy you are describing, I would strongly discourage my daughter from hooking her wagon to. He doesn’t sound like a good catch.

I say a prayer that you meet a nice guy where you live and maybe the pair of you can explore faith and maybe even move to Australia to start a new life together! This one doesn’t sound like a good match for a girl like yourself. :gopray2:
 
He wants you to sacrifice so much to come and support him in his study and yet it sounds he is not making a single sacrifice for you.

I’m Australian and living in Sydney. I am happy to answer any questions you have about life here, any details about finances, healthcare etc. I actually think you could survive together with him as a grad student, but only if it was through some compromise on his part too.

That you said he plans to go on unemployment benefits is horrifying me right now. Unemployment benefits in Australia are for people who are honestly looking for work ONLY. Not people supported by their spouses/partner and certainly not students. Anyway he would have to declare it if you supported him and he would probably not longer be eligible unless you earnt very little. Maybe you have misunderstood this part, I hope so. But it doesn’t sound very nice to me, inviting you to his country in order to assist him in committing fraud.

I’ll keep you in my prayers. If it is God’s will you be with this man, then let it be, but let him grow up a little first!
 
Probably you are right. We had a long conversation this evening and he said he would support me until I find the right job for me, he understands that I have to rebuild my career.

Thanks for all the advices, I should stop asking all the time on the forums, it’s better to man up and take my decisions as a grown up, mature person that I am on my age. It is not like I am not able to see the pitfalls clearly…

God bless!
Nada, I was not implying you should stop asking for advice. My “again” was in reference to you still having doubts about this guy, and understandably so. If you are still asking about him, you aren’t certain. It is a really big deal that you give up everything and move to another country to support a guy you don’t really know that has a questionable past. Everyone here is just concerned about YOU, not him. He needs to do what he wants on his own, not by your financial support.
 
Also, if you’ve only been geographically in the same area for four days, I think his commitment to chastity is as yet untested. I wouldn’t give him credit for views expressed when he isn’t in a position to do otherwise.
 
Your BF sounds an awful lot like my friend, Al.

Al is a great guy. I love him dearly. He’s been my husbands friend since they were children and has been a friend to me since my DH and I were dating. He’s intelligent, witty, fun, caring, etc. He’s charismatic and very charming.

However, he has about $100,000 in student loan debt and has been pursuing his degree for about the last 20 years. (Al’s 41) He’s lived with roommates and with his mother the whole time. He’s working, but not full time. He’s been working 2-3 part time jobs since I’ve known him and has never made enough money to support himself fully. His mom helps him out quite a bit when he’s not living with her.

While my DH, myself, and the kids adore Al, I wouldn’t let my friend, sister, or daughter date him. He seems to be in some kind of extended adolescence. He’s not what I would consider a responsible adult. Responsible adults move out, work, pay their bills, and pursue further education as they can while being self supporting.

Online and when meeting new people, Al presents himself as a grad student with modest loan debt who will be getting his degree within a couple of years and then he will work, buy a house, etc. etc. The reality is that he’s been saying the same thing since I met him 15 years ago.

Last year we went to see him right around Easter. He was all dressed up. Since it’s not usual for him to be in a suit, we asked why. He said, no joke, he went to church in a nicer area hoping to meet a financially stable woman who would help take care of him. He is lonely, does want to marry and maybe have a child or two, but his ideal mate is someone who will basically take care of him financially while he pursues his pipe dreams.

I strongly suspect you’re BF is an Al.

Tell your BF that you’ll be staying in your own country and that you’ll seriously consider engagement and marriage AFTER he has a full time job that pays him enough to be self-supporting and that you WILL NOT, EVER, be responsible for paying off his debts.

If you say it and stick to it, see how he reacts. If he becomes whiny, manipulative, or colder toward you, you have your answer.
 
Your BF sounds an awful lot like my friend, Al.

Al is a great guy. I love him dearly. He’s been my husbands friend since they were children and has been a friend to me since my DH and I were dating. He’s intelligent, witty, fun, caring, etc. He’s charismatic and very charming.

However, he has about $100,000 in student loan debt and has been pursuing his degree for about the last 20 years. (Al’s 41) He’s lived with roommates and with his mother the whole time. He’s working, but not full time. He’s been working 2-3 part time jobs since I’ve known him and has never made enough money to support himself fully. His mom helps him out quite a bit when he’s not living with her.

While my DH, myself, and the kids adore Al, I wouldn’t let my friend, sister, or daughter date him. He seems to be in some kind of extended adolescence. He’s not what I would consider a responsible adult. Responsible adults move out, work, pay their bills, and pursue further education as they can while being self supporting.

Online and when meeting new people, Al presents himself as a grad student with modest loan debt who will be getting his degree within a couple of years and then he will work, buy a house, etc. etc. The reality is that he’s been saying the same thing since I met him 15 years ago.

Last year we went to see him right around Easter. He was all dressed up. Since it’s not usual for him to be in a suit, we asked why. He said, no joke, he went to church in a nicer area hoping to meet a financially stable woman who would help take care of him. He is lonely, does want to marry and maybe have a child or two, but his ideal mate is someone who will basically take care of him financially while he pursues his pipe dreams.

I strongly suspect you’re BF is an Al.

Tell your BF that you’ll be staying in your own country and that you’ll seriously consider engagement and marriage AFTER he has a full time job that pays him enough to be self-supporting and that you WILL NOT, EVER, be responsible for paying off his debts.

If you say it and stick to it, see how he reacts. If he becomes whiny, manipulative, or colder toward you, you have your answer.
That’s quite the story, and you’re quite right that a snap shot of that kind of guy isn’t very revealing–you need to be around him for a year or so to detect a lack of progress.

I do disagree a little with regard to debt. If one marries (IF), I think one should be willing to shoulder a spouse’s debt, but at the same time, the spouse in debt should be making a strong and consistent effort. I don’t believe in saying, “I take you as my husband (but I don’t want anything to do with your debt).” Like it or not, in situations with large debt, the debt will be part of their household reality for some time, so there’s no way to marry somebody without the debt having any impact on you. (On another thread–the childfree one–there was some good discussion of how impacted young adults are by student debt.)
 
I do disagree a little with regard to debt. If one marries (IF), I think one should be willing to shoulder a spouse’s debt, but at the same time, the spouse in debt should be making a strong and consistent effort.
There was another thread I think about dating a credit score - there is such a dating site. I think this case is not that extreme though, he has moderate student dept, he was an excellent student and part time worker, because he wanted to concentrate on study and he has a full scholarship at a top university now, this should mean something. Also if he was looking for the financial support, it would have been more logical to search for a local woman, because let’s face it - my perspectives are very insecure there and I might turn out to be additional financial burden for him, at least for a while. I am quite frank and open to him about that - he can’t expect much from a foreigner. He is also used to a very modest lifestyle, while he is a student and he is doing OK for himself as a bachelor.

He is not financially prepared for a family though, neither with living arrangements, nor with a full time job. But sometimes in today’s world we go a bit far with that, we need to have a stable job, career, apartment and what not else in order to have a family and children as if the kids are the next piece of furniture to complete the design of lifestyle. And life is full of surprises - sometimes even a thriving business can go bankrupt for instance. And in other cases poor families decide to have more children and that serves as an additional motivator for the parents to make more efforts and support them properly.

I don’t think one should generalize here, decisions should be taken case by case, depending on the persons involved, after serious consideration and knowledge of the circumstances.
 
He is not financially prepared for a family though, neither with living arrangements, nor with a full time job. But sometimes in today’s world we go a bit far with that, we need to have a stable job, career, apartment and what not else in order to have a family and children as if the kids are the next piece of furniture to complete the design of lifestyle. And life is full of surprises - sometimes even a thriving business can go bankrupt for instance. And in other cases poor families decide to have more children and that serves as an additional motivator for the parents to make more efforts and support them properly.

**Here’s a little problem though–you personally ought to be secure. As you’ve described yourself, in your current situation, you could start a family right now in your current country and offer all of those things. Moving to Australia, marrying your boyfriend and having children will immediately impoverish both of you under his current circumstances, The question is, how will the two of you cope with having a very limited budget and no money to hire help? (I would not count on helpful Australian grandparents–Western grandparents are not always much help.) It’s very hard to move backwards, to lose nice things that you used to have.

If your boyfriend is able to budget and do without now, it might demonstrate his ability to cheerfully do without later when you have a family, but if he has always spent every dime he has on himself, that isn’t very promising. **

I don’t think one should generalize here, decisions should be taken case by case, depending on the persons involved, after serious consideration and knowledge of the circumstances.
 
Hi OP…I don’t know where you are on this discernment journey, if the decision has already been made…it seems as though this is not anything to rush into either way. This is not an easy decision and I understand that it can be very difficult in such cases to get an honest and objective perspective. I thought I would add a few things that have not been touched upon yet in hopes that they will help.

I think you are right to look at his heart first and foremost. If a man has done all of the appropriate nesting maneuvers (has a full-time job and never struggled to find work, has a near-perfect credit score, has lots of savings, etc.), he might have built up resentment at having to maintain this perfection over the years and an unforgiving attitude in the face of any hiccups that may come along once you are married. For this reason alone, if I were in your shoes, I’d be much more cautious about the “catch” than I would about the “bum”.

You do have to consider how comfortable you would be with being the primary source of income for a while. Many couples where one pursues an advanced degree (medicine, business, law, PhD, etc.) go through this period. I don’t even think it’s uncommon for the woman to be the one to “get him through school” but it would certainly require a lot of honesty between you about the benefits and challenges of this plan, both long and short term.

I am someone who could easily be written off as “not marriage material”. In fact, I have some of the same attributes as this man who has been dubbed a mooch and a loser (though I am a woman). I cannot speak for the man in question but I can say that every life experience that makes me look like an irresponsible child to some has strengthened me. For instance, I’ve traveled and worked abroad for notable chunks of my career, which some view as “bumming around” but for me it took initiative, patience, and a great deal of empathy, especially as I interacted with people from all walks of life, from wealthy ambassadors’ kids and business men and women (and even the odd celebrity!) to isolated and bullied kids and those working in the countries illegally. I have never held a march-off-to-the-office-in-a-suit-for-40-70-hours-per-week job, but I have a resourcefulness that comes from constantly having to drum up opportunities on my own, whether school, the next project, training, etc. I have student loans, but this means that I will never have a wasteful attitude towards money. I do not know what my vocation is yet but I do know that all of these experiences contribute greatly to how I live my life in the Faith.

The one thing that I cannot relate to is coming from a wealthy family. But having spent time around folks who are of significant means and seen what they are able to do with their family connections and resources, I think many of us who come from more middle class/“bootstraps” backgrounds are quick to vilify those who have inheritance as irresponsible losers. But if the family dynamic is sincere in that the wealth is there to provide for future generations (in this case, your future family), what is wrong with that? It may not feel comfortable at first to someone who is used to the idea of being “the child who has its own” but it is an honest and sincere way to provide for multiple generation (and, as many of us in the middle class have learned, a more effective one long-term). The same goes for family connections, which are a resource in and of themselves. So, if this man is planning to become an academic and, say, one or both of his parents are academics or have strong networks in that community, when the time comes to look for a job he (and, by extension, your family) will be at an advantage.

You will be in my prayers…this decision is never easy for anyone, and I doubt there are many discerning marriage who do not go through this to a certain extent. God Bless you! :gopray:
 
Hi Iwillrisenow,

I might need to address these questions one by one. I am glad there is an opinion on the other end of the specter, otherwise the discussion feels incomplete if all angles are not represented, thank you for sharing your experience and point of view.

No, I am not being led by ideas of worldly success and prestige as the leading thing for decision making for a marriage partner, there can be so much more in a person, than that. I think you might be also generalizing about successful people, I consider myself such, I started with very little and I had to build it bit by bit, my education, my career, it has cost me a lot of efforts and deprivation and I definitely and certainly want to use everything I have and have achieved for my future family.

What I mentioned about being a woman and supporting him has a slightly different nuance here, because I am 34 and would like to have children soon, I would probably not have a full maternity leave, since I would have just recently started work in Australia. Also it troubles me, that I am a foreigner and my prospects are insecure, it is a big responsibility for me to take charge as someone, who is not established in this country and be the provider, knowing that everything depends on me and there is noone to rely on.

Also there is a very big question of trust. Because for him I know (he admitted it) that he has been in a relationship of convenience (the woman had an apartment, where he lived), they were helping each other, he says, when all romantic relationship between them was over and he gave her up, because his parents did not approve and she got sick. I am concerned if he is purely led by feelings in this case or is again opportunistic and looking also for some support? There is another thing, which is quite suspicious and unattractive for most women - he was very fast in explanations in love (acting desperate), he mentioned that for most women he does look really attractive right now, while he is a student and I am concerned if he does not hold on to me due to the lack of other choices rather than having selected me (may be it is my pride and vanity, but I need to feel special :-(.

About the wealthy family - it depends on the family, some make their children quite independent and teach them how to climb the ladder from the first step, some retard their children and they become lazy, because they are confident they can rely on somebody. His parents are not helping him actively, but his lack of planning is largely due to reliance on them in the longer term.

With regards to money - it is not the lack of them, which concerns me most, but the general attitude, for instance he worked on a project and then spent absolutely everything on a 2 months pilgrimage, whatever comes in, goes out immediately. This is not quite conductive for a family and I have a very different mind set - I appreciate spend on investments like house and education, but don’t like waste - like spending money on unnecessary expenses. I am concerned that his background lures him into thinking that he can afford the same life style as his parents, even though his finances are tight and also that he would be left with nothing at the end of the day even if he had a much higher income, just because he has not learned so far money management.

There is also another, more selfish thing, I admit it (I am imperfect), which is - I started from a situation with every moderate means, I did not have any connections to help me and was able to build a career and financial stability and now I am asked to throw all my achievements away and to start from scratch. It is not that poverty scares me so much, but the feeling that everything I have invested and done so far is going wasted. 😦 And it is quite hard for someone, who has pulled herself out of … misery, let’s say, to voluntarily and in full conscience dive into it again, not just accept it if it happens as a consequence of circumstances beyond my influence. And I can tell you, there are a lot of good deeds one can perform with money for others and also when one has a position in society it can be used for the benefit of others. It is a significant sacrifice, that is required from me, it would be quite different if he were to come here and I would support him and share with him everything I have, but he also has his prestigious master degree now and does not want to sacrifice that, because that gives him good prospects for the future and I understand that. It is quite a dilemma…

I would need more time for a firm decision on all that, I read St. Ignatius on the discernment of the spirits and decision making - I am definitely in a state of desolation now, feeling deep hesitation and uncertainty about this choice. And I would never marry someone unless and until I am absolutely confident about this decision, otherwise my vows would be a lie before God.

Everyone, I would appreciate your prayers to take the God inspired decision eventually!

Thank you so much for your support!
 
Hi Iwillrisenow,

No, I am not being led by ideas of worldly success and prestige as the leading thing for decision making for a marriage partner, there can be so much more in a person, than that. I think you might be also generalizing about successful people, I consider myself such, I started with very little and I had to build it bit by bit, my education, my career, it has cost me a lot of efforts and deprivation and I definitely and certainly want to use everything I have and have achieved for my future family.

What I mentioned about being a woman and supporting him has a slightly different nuance here, because I am 34 and would like to have children soon, I would probably not have a full maternity leave, since I would have just recently started work in Australia. Also it troubles me, that I am a foreigner and my prospects are insecure, it is a big responsibility for me to take charge as someone, who is not established in this country and be the provider, knowing that everything depends on me and there is noone to rely on.

Also there is a very big question of trust. Because for him I know (he admitted it) that he has been in a relationship of convenience (the woman had an apartment, where he lived), they were helping each other, he says, when all romantic relationship between them was over and he gave her up, because his parents did not approve and she got sick. I am concerned if he is purely led by feelings in this case or is again opportunistic and looking also for some support? There is another thing, which is quite suspicious and unattractive for most women - he was very fast in explanations in love (acting desperate), he mentioned that for most women he does look really attractive right now, while he is a student and I am concerned if he does not hold on to me due to the lack of other choices rather than having selected me (may be it is my pride and vanity, but I need to feel special :-(.

About the wealthy family - it depends on the family, some make their children quite independent and teach them how to climb the ladder from the first step, some retard their children and they become lazy, because they are confident they can rely on somebody. His parents are not helping him actively, but his lack of planning is largely due to reliance on them in the longer term.

With regards to money - it is not the lack of them, which concerns me most, but the general attitude, for instance he worked on a project and then spent absolutely everything on a 2 months pilgrimage, whatever comes in, goes out immediately.

**Oh dear. Did he have debt at the time, because if so, that’s terrible.

Definitely encourage him to do a budget and financial planning. It’s one thing to acquire a financial dependent. It’s quite another thing to acquire a financial dependent with a spending problem. And it’s actually even worse if his spending is on “holy” things–how do you argue with that without sounding petty and materialistic? **

This is not quite conductive for a family and I have a very different mind set - I appreciate spend on investments like house and education, but don’t like waste - like spending money on unnecessary expenses. I am concerned that his background lures him into thinking that he can afford the same life style as his parents, even though his finances are tight and also that he would be left with nothing at the end of the day even if he had a much higher income, just because he has not learned so far money management.

Yes.

There is also another, more selfish thing, I admit it (I am imperfect), which is - I started from a situation with every moderate means, I did not have any connections to help me and was able to build a career and financial stability and now I am asked to throw all my achievements away and to start from scratch. It is not that poverty scares me so much, but the feeling that everything I have invested and done so far is going wasted. 😦 And it is quite hard for someone, who has pulled herself out of … misery, let’s say, to voluntarily and in full conscience dive into it again, not just accept it if it happens as a consequence of circumstances beyond my influence.
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Right.

That’s just basic psychology–it’s just really hard to go backwards.

And less “selfishly,” that situation of privation would be what you would be handing to your children, perhaps unnecessarily.

I strongly suspect that you can get a man with your boyfriend’s particular weaknesses in your home country, without travelling thousands of miles and giving up your career and home to do so. The reason he looks special to you is that you aren’t together.
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And I can tell you, there are a lot of good deeds one can perform with money for others and also when one has a position in society it can be used for the benefit of others. It is a significant sacrifice, that is required from me, it would be quite different if he were to come here and I would support him and share with him everything I have, but he also has his prestigious master degree now and does not want to sacrifice that, because that gives him good prospects for the future and I understand that. It is quite a dilemma…

A master’s degree shouldn’t take a long time.

I would need more time for a firm decision on all that, I read St. Ignatius on the discernment of the spirits and decision making - I am definitely in a state of desolation now, feeling deep hesitation and uncertainty about this choice. And I would never marry someone unless and until I am absolutely confident about this decision, otherwise my vows would be a lie before God.

Very good!

Everyone, I would appreciate your prayers to take the God inspired decision eventually!

Thank you so much for your support!
 
And it’s actually even worse if his spending is on “holy” things–how do you argue with that without sounding petty and materialistic?
You actually hit the point here. It is impossible to try to criticize him, because I am it is like I am not on the level to understand the true and important things.

I am interested to see if he will ever come to my country this summer at all, as he promised. Because he keeps delaying things - like speaking to immigration lawyer, buying a ticket and keeps on repeating, that he is just a poor student. I suspect that eventually I might even face the situation, that he asks me for money to visit me. This is something, that I would definitely not do, and that would be the significant sign for the end of the whole affair.
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A master’s degree shouldn’t take a long time**. - it is 3 years and he has just started it, it is not a short time for me at this moment of my life.
 
Hi OP,

Thank you for your thoughtful responses. I just want to quickly clarify that I do not hold anything against successful people in general, only the notion that those who are successful are the only ones who have worked hard and made sacrifices. I see that assumption coming up a lot: he/she who has the success profile did it right and he/she who doesn’t did not. So we scrutinize the “unsuccessful” person much more because they must be defective, while we assume that the successful one did nothing wrong with no consideration for other factors such as luck. All that being said, you know much, *much *better than I what gives you pause about the case of this particular man. Only prayer and discernment can reveal whether or not you are being asked to make the sacrifices in question.

Praying for you! :gopray:
 
You actually hit the point here. It is impossible to try to criticize him, because I am it is like I am not on the level to understand the true and important things.

I am interested to see if he will ever come to my country this summer at all, as he promised. Because he keeps delaying things - like speaking to immigration lawyer, buying a ticket and keeps on repeating, that he is just a poor student. I suspect that eventually I might even face the situation, that he asks me for money to visit me. This is something, that I would definitely not do, and that would be the significant sign for the end of the whole affair.
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**“Wow, sweetie, it’s really too bad that you spent all your money on that two month pilgrimage!”

Don’t actually say that, but you’re within your rights to think it.

A master’s degree shouldn’t take a long time. - it is 3 years and he has just started it, it is not a short time for me at this moment of my life.
That is a BIG master’s degree.

It does sound like there’s a major disparity here in terms of life stages. You are established and settled down, and your boyfriend is starting to have some direction, but it’s not clear at this point if he’s going to get off the ground or not. And you really don’t have the time to wait…
 
Thanks everyone, it was so hard for me to take a decision, risk everything recklessly or break the heart of a worthy, devoted, kind and loving man and omitting such a wonderful opportunity for being together with someone in relationship of love, and shared values, and Christ centered life. But it looks like I would not even have to make a decision, he has now problems with his apartment and he has to move to a new expensive place and he works only a little and has difficulties to support himself and continue his study under the circumstances. My moving there is unthinkable and total mission impossible, it looks like I was right in the end, romance is not enough, arranging for a possibility for a family requires a lot of hard work + God’s mercy for the right chances and opportunities.

I ask you for your prayers, because this master degree means a lot for him, it is a very prestigious university, he has got a full scholarship, he loves this profession and it is also his chance for stability in the future; there is so much that depends on it.

So, I ask you for your prayers to God to give him an opportunity to continue his study and not to interrupt it (defer it), develop his talents and use it for good; to make use of all opportunities to be able to complete this undertaking and above all not to fall into despair, because he is a very emotional person and that would be destructive for him.

Thank you so much in advance!
 
Hi OP,

So we scrutinize the “unsuccessful” person much more because they must be defective, while we assume that the successful one did nothing wrong with no consideration for other factors such as luck.
Yes, I could not agree more with that. Chances (I don’t like the word “luck”, because for me both opportunities and the lack of them is something from God), family connections, and sometimes one can achieve success with bad means even (by stepping on others, by being selfish, by abandoning one’s responsibilities). What was said in the parable of the talents - God did not expect from the ones He gave less to provide as much as the one He gave most. But also everyone has a talent - the talent is not how much we have, but how much we want to give the others. And the greatest talent is to be able to love (not an easy thing at all).

If you allow me I can share here a short real story about a woman, who played the piano beautifully and then decided to become a nun (a sister rather). And she was asked why she abandoned her talent and responded, she did not, because the greatest talent is to love.
 
And… this is not the proper end of this thread.

Thank you all for your diverse opinions, for your genuine concern, support and prayers and God bless you and all of your good intentions!

Every cloud has a silver lining, mine is to see that there are so many good Christians out there, and this is tremendous support, I feel that there is something worthwhile in this life even beyond its mere value as a journey towards the other (the next one).

Thanks!
 
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