Romney the Centrist Peeks Out

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Lujack said:
That’s rather an issue with Romney, though, don’t you think? If we had a President Santorum, you would know he would govern as a conservative because those are his convictions…that’s what he believes. The same goes for a Ron Paul.

Romney will shift with the political winds.

Take it with however much salt you want, since its coming from someone who won’t be voting Republican in the next election, though.
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Neither Santorum nor Ron Paul would govern as a conservative - because they’d have little or no chance of governing in the first place - they’d lose to Obama. I will take a president who governs conservative/pro-life because of political reality (i.e. pressure from a GOP congress, and desire to win a re-election) than a president who gladly pursues policies that promote abortion because that is what he truly believes in. I think the last president who governed based on political realities was Bill Clinton - that is why he signed welfare reform.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
So if the 2001 tax cuts caused the “great recession” of 2008, why didn’t it happen sooner? Did the wealthy use their tax cuts in the years 2001-2007 to keep us out of a recession but stop in 2008? Please explain how this works, I’d like to know.

Ishii
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Ishii, I think perhaps you are just failing to understand what I am saying. If the wealthy “job producers” had used their tax breaks to create more jobs once the Great Recession began, Ishii, some of the pain suffered by those less wealthy could perhaps have been aleviated. Afterall the conservative prescription is when the wealthy have tax breaks, which they were still enjoying at the time the Great Recession began, Ishii, all is well with the economy. :rolleyes:
 
ishii said:
Neither Santorum nor Ron Paul would govern as a conservative - because they’d have little or no chance of governing in the first place - they’d lose to Obama. I will take a president who governs conservative/pro-life because of political reality (i.e. pressure from a GOP congress, and desire to win a re-election) than a president who gladly pursues policies that promote abortion because that is what he truly believes in. I think the last president who governed based on political realities was Bill Clinton - that is why he signed welfare reform.

Ishii
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Romney will never appoint any justice to the Supreme Court who might overturn Roe vs. Wade - you do realize this?
 
CMatt25 said:
Ishii, I think perhaps you are just failing to understand what I am saying. If the wealthy “job producers” had used their tax breaks to create more jobs once the Great Recession began, Ishii, some of the pain suffered by those less wealthy could perhaps have been aleviated. Afterall the conservative prescription is when the wealthy have tax breaks, which they were still enjoying at the time the Great Recession began, Ishii, all is well with the economy. :rolleyes:
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So you’re saying that for the first seven years, the tax breaks worked, but then in 2008 they didn’t work?

Ishii
 
bellasbane said:
Romney will never appoint any justice to the Supreme Court who might overturn Roe vs. Wade - you do realize this?
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I realize that being a partisan Democrat in an election year, you have to say that. The truth is, the only party that you can get a guarentee from is the Democrat party, and that’s a guarentee that the justice they appoint will uphold the right of a woman to kill her unborn child.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
I realize that being a partisan Democrat in an election year, you have to say that. The truth is, the only party that you can get a guarentee from is the Democrat party, and that’s a guarentee that the justice they appoint will uphold the right of a woman to kill her unborn child.

Ishii
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I guarantee you that Romney will do nothing that threatens Roe vs. Wade.
 
bellasbane said:
I guarantee you that Romney will do nothing that threatens Roe vs. Wade.
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I realize that for you to admit that Romney will appoint justices who overturn Roe V wade will hurt your case a great deal. No surprise, Bellasbane. Sorry if I value Romney’s promise of what kind of justices he’ll appoint more than your guarentee.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
So you’re saying that for the first seven years, the tax breaks worked, but then in 2008 they didn’t work?

Ishii
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Not exactly. They didn’t work when the time came that we especially needed them to work.
 
ishii said:
I realize that for you to admit that Romney will appoint justices who overturn Roe V wade will hurt your case a great deal. No surprise, Bellasbane. Sorry if I value Romney’s promise of what kind of justices he’ll appoint more than your guarentee.

Ishii
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What exactly did Romney promise?
 
bellasbane said:
What exactly did Romney promise?
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Here you go:

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said if he had the opportunity to appoint a Supreme Court justice he or she would be in the mold of Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Chief Justice John Roberts.

“Their approach is the approach I would encourage,” he said. “I would try to find those who would follow the Constitution.

thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/11/04/361587/romney-scotus-corporations-are-people/?mobile=nc

Ishii
 
I think (my opinion only) is there a conservative and conservative. For example Romney is conservative and then Santorum is very conservative.

To me calling Tea Party merely conservative is like calling a habanero or chile petin merely warm or slighty spicy. Try eating one, so hot they will take the top off your head.
 
iluvburpees said:
ronpaul2012.com/2012/04/12/ron-paul-only-candidate-able-to-defeat-obama-in-new-poll/

wnyc.org/blogs/its-free-blog/2012/feb/22/opinion-ron-paul-beats-obama-iowa/

therightperspective.org/2012/02/29/ron-paul-beats-obama-in-new-poll-again/
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You offer as evidence polls from two months ago? Nice try. Look, I understand that you are enthusiastic for Ron Paul, but he isn’t going to get the nomination, and he would fare terribly against Obama. Now, if you want a real poll, check out the latest from Rasmussen which has Romney up by 4 points:

rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Ishii
 
ishii said:
You offer as evidence polls from two months ago?
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Two months ago is not that long ago and is far less time than between now and the election. If the Republicans even then were nominating someone like Romney thinking he could beat Obama, I fear they will pay for that mistake. What is it that Republicans keep saying about those that voted for Obama? Something like that deserve what they get? Well, same here.
 
pnewton said:
Two months ago is not that long ago and is far less time than between now and the election. If the Republicans even then were nominating someone like Romney thinking he could beat Obama, I fear they will pay for that mistake. What is it that Republicans keep saying about those that voted for Obama? Something like that deserve what they get? Well, same here.
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The latest Rasmussen poll has Romney up by 4 points. Something tells me Romney will get the support of stay at home moms.

Ishii
 
pnewton said:
Two months ago is not that long ago and is far less time than between now and the election. If the Republicans even then were nominating someone like Romney thinking he could beat Obama, I fear they will pay for that mistake. What is it that Republicans keep saying about those that voted for Obama? Something like that deserve what they get? Well, same here.
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You are voting for neither, right? So, what do you deserve? 🙂
 
bellasbane said:
I guarantee you that Romney will do nothing that threatens Roe vs. Wade.
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Can’t imagine why he would. If this information is reliable, the abortion debate has evolved considerably and may well evolve some more:
In his address at Brigham Young University on 1999-FEB-09 Elder Dallin H. Oaks of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles reaffirmed that an abortion is permissible, after “counseling with the local presiding priesthood authority and after receiving divine confirmation” if any of four grounds existed:
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The life of the mother is seriously endangered.
The good health of the mother is seriously endangered.
The pregnancy was caused by rape.
The pregnancy was caused by incest.
He cited an additional ground that would allow abortion as a permissible choice:
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“The fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.” 2
In addition, Oaks dropped the requirement that a pregnancy caused by rape or incest can only be terminated if it produces serious emotional trauma in the mother. These three changes have apparently been made by the church leadership prior to Oaks’ speech in 1999.
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Source
 
seekerz said:
Can’t imagine why he would. If this information is reliable, the abortion debate has evolved considerably and may well evolve some more:
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Seekerz, show me one piece of evidence that Romney aligns his positions on any issue with that of the Mormon church. If you can provide an example, then your post might be valid. If not, then you are probably barking up the wrong tree.

Ishii
 
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