Ron Paul proposes $1T in specific budget cuts

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Paul’s “Restore America” plan would eliminate 5 departments, including Commerce, Education, Energy, Interior and Housing and Urban Development. It would eliminate foreign aid. Cut the EPA by 30%.

He would also cut his own salary to $39,000, in line with the average American worker.

This is the only Republican plan to actually cut the Federal Budget, not counting Mitt Romney’s plan to “cut” 20 billion.
 
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Paul’s “Restore America” plan would eliminate 5 departments, including Commerce, Education, Energy, Interior and Housing and Urban Development. It would eliminate foreign aid. Cut the EPA by 30%.

He would also cut his own salary to $39,000, in line with the average American worker.

This is the only Republican plan to actually cut the Federal Budget, not counting Mitt Romney’s plan to “cut” 20 billion.
Low congressional salaries are a keystone of Benjamin Franklin’s ideas for establishing a new government,

"Sir, there are two passions which have a powerful influence in the affairs of men. These are ambition and avarice; the love of power and the love of money. Separately, each of these has great force in prompting men to action; but when united in view of the same object, they have in many minds the most violent effects. Place before the eyes of such men a post of honor, that shall at the same time be a place of profit, and they will move Heaven and Earth to obtain it.

And of what kind are the men that will strive for this profitable preeminence, through all the bustle of cabal, the heat of contention, the infinite mutual abuse of parties, tearing to pieces the best of characters? It will not be the wise and moderate, the lovers of peace and good order, the men fittest for the trust. It will be the bold and the violent, the men of strong passions and indefatigable activity in their selfish pursuits. These will thrust themselves into your government, and be your rulers. And these … will perpetually be endeavoring to distress [your elected representatives] … thwart their measures, and render them odious to the people.

Besides these evils, sir, though we may set out in the beginning with moderate salaries, we shall find, that such will not be of long continuance. Reasons will never be wanting for proposed augmentations; and there will always be a party for giving more to the rulers, that the rulers may be able in return to give more to them…. and we see that they are never satisfied, but always in want of more…. I am apprehensive, therefore — perhaps too apprehensive — that the government of these States may in future times end in a monarchy. But this catastrophe, I think, may be long delayed, if in our proposed system we do not sow the seeds of contention, faction, and tumult, by making our posts of honor places of profit

It may be imagined by some, that this [idea of no compensation for positions of honor] is an utopian idea and that we can never find men to serve us in the Executive Department, without paying them well for their services. I conceive this to be a mistake. Some existing facts present themselves to me, which incline me to a contrary opinion. The High Sheriff of a County in England is an honorable office, but it is not a profitable one. It is rather expensive, and therefore not sought for. But yet it is executed, and well executed, and usually by some of the principal gentlemen of the county….** I only bring the instance to show, that the pleasure of doing good and serving their country, and the respect such conduct entitles them to, are sufficient motives with some minds, to give up a great portion of their time to the public, without the mean inducement of pecuniary satisfaction**."
 
I’m far from being a Ron Paul supporter, though i would vote for him against Obama in a heartbeat if Paul is the nominee.

I think it’s good that he’s proposing things like this. At some point, the soaking of America really needs to end. Reminds me just a bit of a local State Senator we had who proposed all the time that State Senators and Reps not be paid at all; that it be considered exercise of one’s civic duty. He despised “professional politicians”, though he was very well thought of by his colleagues because of the wisdom he brought to the floor.
 
Beautiful stuff. I have some ideas that would take it a step further.

If people are conservative autocrats of their own bodies, lives and families, then the laws of the government can be liberal anarchy.

Get what I’m saying?
 
Well, since the President has to pay for his own food, (except State Dinners), insurance, etc., I’m not quite sure $39,000 a year is going to cut it in Washington. I remember reading Nancy Regan’s autobiography and she was shocked when they got their first bill for groceries!
 
I remember reading Nancy Regan’s autobiography and she was shocked when they got their first bill for groceries!
What was she buying? Maybe if she went to the local grocery store, like the 99%, and bought potatoes and cabbage, her bill would not have been so high.
 
Well, since the President has to pay for his own food, (except State Dinners), insurance, etc., I’m not quite sure $39,000 a year is going to cut it in Washington. I remember reading Nancy Regan’s autobiography and she was shocked when they got their first bill for groceries!
I make less than $39,000 and I can eat.

He also has whatever he has saved up over the years. I don’t think Dr. Paul is going to starve to death while President.
 
Low congressional salaries are a keystone of Benjamin Franklin’s ideas for establishing a new government,

"Sir, there are two passions which have a powerful influence in the affairs of men. These are ambition and avarice; the love of power and the love of money. Separately, each of these has great force in prompting men to action; but when united in view of the same object, they have in many minds the most violent effects. Place before the eyes of such men a post of honor, that shall at the same time be a place of profit, and they will move Heaven and Earth to obtain it.

And of what kind are the men that will strive for this profitable preeminence, through all the bustle of cabal, the heat of contention, the infinite mutual abuse of parties, tearing to pieces the best of characters? It will not be the wise and moderate, the lovers of peace and good order, the men fittest for the trust. It will be the bold and the violent, the men of strong passions and indefatigable activity in their selfish pursuits. These will thrust themselves into your government, and be your rulers. And these … will perpetually be endeavoring to distress [your elected representatives] … thwart their measures, and render them odious to the people.

Besides these evils, sir, though we may set out in the beginning with moderate salaries, we shall find, that such will not be of long continuance. Reasons will never be wanting for proposed augmentations; and there will always be a party for giving more to the rulers, that the rulers may be able in return to give more to them…. and we see that they are never satisfied, but always in want of more…. I am apprehensive, therefore — perhaps too apprehensive — that the government of these States may in future times end in a monarchy. But this catastrophe, I think, may be long delayed, if in our proposed system we do not sow the seeds of contention, faction, and tumult, by making our posts of honor places of profit

It may be imagined by some, that this [idea of no compensation for positions of honor] is an utopian idea and that we can never find men to serve us in the Executive Department, without paying them well for their services. I conceive this to be a mistake. Some existing facts present themselves to me, which incline me to a contrary opinion. The High Sheriff of a County in England is an honorable office, but it is not a profitable one. It is rather expensive, and therefore not sought for. But yet it is executed, and well executed, and usually by some of the principal gentlemen of the county….** I only bring the instance to show, that the pleasure of doing good and serving their country, and the respect such conduct entitles them to, are sufficient motives with some minds, to give up a great portion of their time to the public, without the mean inducement of pecuniary satisfaction**."
Too right mate!

Free education was the original goal of the Univ. of Pennsylvania as founded by Ben.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Pennsylvania

jomoco
 
Where’s the finance coming from for the free-education?

Did you consider the situation of those educators with OWS?? And who will pay them what they are already protesting about with Union Wages? Where do “you” suppose all this finance is coming from?
 
I don’t know that he will get in, nor do I know who will. Nor do I run around with pom-poms for him.

However I find his honesty refreshing. And if he isn’t sure about something he will state that also. He certainly isn’t a carnival act spewing political jargon which makes little sense when placed under scrutiny. I think his morals and values are admirable and have been lacking in the Presidential realm as of lately.

Peace
 
Paul’s “Restore America” plan would eliminate 5 departments, including Commerce, Education, Energy, Interior and Housing and Urban Development. It would eliminate foreign aid. Cut the EPA by 30%.
If Obama had only made emergancy cuts of a trillion dollars in 2009 instead of growing the government by a trillion dollars the economic crisis would now be over. But then an act like that would have required that he be an American first, instead of a democrat first.
 
I don’t know that he will get in, nor do I know who will. Nor do I run around with pom-poms for him.

However I find his honesty refreshing. And if he isn’t sure about something he will state that also. He certainly isn’t a carnival act spewing political jargon which makes little sense when placed under scrutiny. I think his morals and values are admirable and have been lacking in the Presidential realm as of lately.

Peace
I love his ideas, but it would be really hard to put into place what he wants to do. For one thing, think of how many people will be without jobs. The government employs a LOT of people. But I sure wish it could happen!
 
Where’s the finance coming from for the free-education?

Did you consider the situation of those educators with OWS?? And who will pay them what they are already protesting about with Union Wages? Where do “you” suppose all this finance is coming from?
Here’s a clue mate.

Who needs highly educated and trained people to work diligently in their CORPORATIONS?

jomoco
 
And, It would be great if Pennsylvania would decide to provide free tuition at Univ of Penn, but that is up to the people of that state. My birth state, California, used to offer free college education at the State and UC campuses, as well as junior colleges.
Jolly good and right Rig.

It’s always a pleasure to debate folks like you, that know their American history.

jomoco:)
 
Are you refering to this?
No, this, by Franklin.

archives.upenn.edu/primdocs/1749proposals.html

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The good Education of Youth has been esteemed by wise Men in all Ages, as the surest Foundation of the Happiness both of private Families and of Common-wealths. Almost all Governments have therefore made it a principal Object of their Attention, to establish and endow with proper Revenues, such Seminaries of Learning, as might supply the succeeding Age with Men qualified to serve the Publick with Honour to themselves, and to their Country.

{End Quote{

jomoco
 
I am glad to see somebody proposing budget cuts.

Regardless of the merits of this particular plan, the budget will have to be cut and cut severely.

The housing bubble was simply ignored by everyone until it imploded. Now that the debt ceiling has been raised (temporarily), the federal debt bubble continues to be ignored. My fear is that it will continue to be ignored until it too implodes.

And a sovereign debt crisis is a whole lot worse than a housing bubble. It’s a whole lot worse than housing bond derivatives. It’s a whole lot worse than anything happening on Wall Street. And because monetary systems are interconnected, the bubble, and the implosion, could be worldwide in scope.

While I’m not generally a Ron Paul supporter, it seems he is the only one who even mentions this looming crisis.

It seems to me that those protesters on Wall Street should be in front of Congress demanding an immediate and substantial and continuing reduction in the national debt. But they wan’t stuff from the government so I guess they won’t protest the debt bubble.
 
I am glad to see somebody proposing budget cuts.

Regardless of the merits of this particular plan, the budget will have to be cut and cut severely.

The housing bubble was simply ignored by everyone until it imploded. Now that the debt ceiling has been raised (temporarily), the federal debt bubble continues to be ignored. My fear is that it will continue to be ignored until it too implodes.

And a sovereign debt crisis is a whole lot worse than a housing bubble. It’s a whole lot worse than housing bond derivatives. It’s a whole lot worse than anything happening on Wall Street. And because monetary systems are interconnected, the bubble, and the implosion, could be worldwide in scope.

While I’m not generally a Ron Paul supporter, it seems he is the only one who even mentions this looming crisis.

It seems to me that those protesters on Wall Street should be in front of Congress demanding an immediate and substantial and continuing reduction in the national debt. But they wan’t stuff from the government so I guess they won’t protest the debt bubble.
THey are demanding MORE government spending. Free education, guaranteed living wage regardless of employment, free transportation, elimination of all debt. Do they even have a clue how this happens?
 
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