Ron Paul Thread

[Scott_Lafrance]

I guess he’s my man.

I’d rather have NO-ONE in office than Bush’s forth term.

 

[ishii]

I’d rather have NO-ONE in office than Bush’s forth term.

I understand the election season hyperbole and enthusiasm you have for “your guy”. I hope when the dust settles and one of those bad “Bush 4” non-Ron Paul Republicans is facing Obama, you remember your duty as a catholic.

Ishii

 

[rlg94086]

I’d rather have NO-ONE in office than Bush’s forth term.

Indeed. You certainly won’t have Ron Paul in office. No one isn’t an option though, so your preference is immaterial. You’ll either have Obama or the GOP nominee…which won’t be Ron Paul.

 

[rlg94086]

I understand the election season hyperbole and enthusiasm you have for “your guy”. I hope when the dust settles and one of those bad “Bush 4” non-Ron Paul Republicans is facing Obama, you remember your duty as a catholic.

Ishii

He’s moving to a shack in Montana and withdrawing from public life. We are all invited to dinner, if we can make it past his front yard.

 

[nute]

How does legalizing drugs make it easier to break free from drug addiction?

Marijuana is a dangerous drug where various derivatives are much safer. When somebody says that legalizing drugs will reduce drug abuse, I have to ask what their attitude towards various substances is. Most drugs, if treated improperly, can cause harm. Alcohol and tobacco/nicotine cigarettes are “safe” drugs that are good examples. The former is known to cause cancer, the latter can cause alcoholism.

It is time for the young to grow up and forget Ron Paul. Legalizing drugs, especially addictive drugs that can have mind altering and other damaging effects, is totally irresponsible. Rick Santorum is Catholic, consider him.

Where in Catholic teaching concerning the body does it say, “It is okay to abuse mind altering drugs that confuse your moral compass?” Is there notthing wrong with abusing
the body? It’s my body, right? I can do whatever I want to it, right? Wrong. Our bodies
through baptism belong to God and are part of His body. Abuse God’s body, God has to either heal or replace that part.

Legalizing drugs isn’t responsible. Regulating the pharmaceutical industry by breaking up monopolies might be effective though.

 

[Cascadian]

As a Catholic, I don’t like Ron Paul for the following reasons:

1: Legalizing drugs, not anywhere near in line with Catholic teaching. Instead of buying the votes of drug abusers Ron Paul as a doctor should preach just say no and promote treatment.

Hi there, nute, I can see why you’re concerned but I believe this is a misperception.

First of all the War on Drugs has been a failure, and yet we keep putting too much money into it. Now what would happen if we legalized drugs, according to the example set by Portugal, drug use would actually decline. There’s empirical evidence to support that.

Second of all we ought to look at the negative consequences of our drug laws. Mexico is being destroyed by them. When you outlaw drugs you don’t get rid of the demand, and the only people willing to take the risks of dealing with that market are the violent criminals, our laws have made them incredibly wealthy and powerful.
Nearly 50,000 Mexicans have died in the war against the cartels and not too long ago the US government published a report on how their government was brought to the risk of collapsing. We ought to have concern for this.

We have two options, legalize drugs diminish drug use and significantly improve Mexico’s conditions, or keep drugs illegal, maintain current drug use, and watch our southern neighbor be destroyed. I don’t see it as a sin to prefer the former.

 

[nute]

I say avoid coming up with an excuse to legalize drug abuse. There are many powerful drugs where anyone who legitimately needs them can obtain them legally under the direction of a trained doctor. Address both supply and demand. Teaching potential new drug users the dangers of marijuana for example and the dangers of other illegal drugs could curb demand. In addition, more free treatment needs to be made available. Reduction in demand saves money because you don’t have to go after supply as much.

One of the problems in Mexico is that there are the very rich and the destitute poor and not much in between. Don’t believe me? Well, then visit the safer areas and no doubt you’ll find slums on the outskirts.

Mexico has vast natural resources and a large labor force, so why are drugs a major export? Those resources need to be developed and that labor needs to be tapped. Mexico’s corruption needs to be addressed. Maybe there does need to be an assault weapons ban in Texas and New Mexico. I realize the right to bear arms exists, but assault weapons?

Address the corruption in Mexico’s government, it becomes possible to have Mexican authorities freeze the assets of the cartels and effectively bring them down. If most illegal drugs from Mexico can’t be produced in the states, legalization won’t lower the price of those drugs necessarily.

There is no good reason why Mexico has a small to nonexistent middle class and a huge class of people in absolute poverty. Poverty and drugs seem to go hand in hand. This is true in Afghanistan and it seems to be the case in Mexico.

 

[ishii]

He’s moving to a shack in Montana and withdrawing from public life. We are all invited to dinner, if we can make it past his front yard.

I’ll be the guy carrying the case of beer - I figure he’ll be less likely to shoot me that way.

 

[GKs_Fanboy]

I am highly in favor of the US and Israel eradicating their terrorist leadership, their military infrastructure, and anything remotely related to their becoming nuclear capable. The level of naivete on the part of certain members of our society is absolutely mind blowing to me. They sponsor terror, they practice terror, they openly call for the destruction of Israel and the West, and yet people still think they can reason with them! Really? Being a peaceful nation is admirable but being foolish is not. It is right to fight evil. Ron Paul is severely out of touch with the realities of the world. With his non interventionist ideology we wouldnt have fought Germany in WWII and the Jewish nation(May God love them and protect them!) would most likely have been completely exterminated. Is this what we want now?

Should they then eradicate themselves? You know, for supporting Operation Condor, which killed thousands upon thousands of political dissidents in South America? Or for overthrowing the democratically-elected leader of Iran in '53 to reinstate our buddy? Or for supplying the very terrorist groups we now wage war with? Or for installing one of our operatives as the leader of a sovereign country? Or for using drones to kill targets while simultaneously wiping out tens of innocent bystanders?

You are right to condemn some of Iran’s reprehensible practices, but don’t forget that plank in your own eye. America has been responsible for its fair share of travesties and they’re still happening today.

Worship God, not America.

 

[GKs_Fanboy]

No, its not ridiculous to question the viability nationwide of a candidate who thus far has only won in his safe district in Texas. I appreciate the fact that you like Ron Paul and want him to win, but hopes and dreams doesn’t make a candidate viable. Has Paul won a statewide race? No. Would the odd collection of stoners, isolationists, and conpiracy er, “theorists” propel the 77 year old Ron Paul to victory? Obama could win on a laundry ticket if Paul were to somehow win the nomination. Don’t kid yourself. Ron Paul of course won’t get the nomination, so this conversation is academic, but dream on if it makes you feel good.

Ishii

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What a pathetic ad hominem.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I understand the election season hyperbole and enthusiasm you have for “your guy”. I hope when the dust settles and one of those bad “Bush 4” non-Ron Paul Republicans is facing Obama, you remember your duty as a catholic.

Ishii

Ya, stay home and teach my children not to compromise.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I’ll be the guy carrying the case of beer - I figure he’ll be less likely to shoot me that way.

Depends on the brand.

 

[pnewton]

Indeed. You certainly won’t have Ron Paul in office. No one isn’t an option though, so your preference is immaterial. You’ll either have Obama or the GOP nominee…which won’t be Ron Paul.

Unless Ron Paul wins or is on the ticket.

 

[Cascadian]

Thanks for addressing my points, but I don’t think I’m coming up with excuses to legalize drugs. I’m being pragmatic about how our laws affect the lives of people.

I’d also like to point out that I’m the son of Mexican immigrants, both have long been citizens, and I’ve been to Mexico enough times to be well familiar with it.

Now then nute, I don’t think the topic Mexican corruption even concerns us right now. As American voters evaluating the moral responsibilities of our actions we ought to concentrate about what our votes will accomplish. Unfortunately no administration is going to directly get rid of Mexican corruption.

Drugs are a major export because it’s easier for certain people to make tons of money off of them then it is in mining, farming, etc etc. even with all the legal consequences. Now we can’t do anything directly about the corruption, it’s not one of the responsibilities to take into mind, but If you or I want to charitably help Mexicans, we can support the legalization of drugs to drain the violent cartels of their money and power. In fact this would indirectly diminish corruption a bit as well, they’ve had people defecting down there you know.

I honestly don’t think that the demand is going to go away by simply educating people. It’s unfortunate, but educate everyone about the dangers of drugs and many people will still find themselves in situations where they are compelled to try the drugs out. The demand is huge and as far as I can see it, won’t go away by simply telling people the dangers, we’ve been trying that for years.

I gave you empirical evidence for my position that legalizing drugs diminishes their use, I’d like to see some evidence that teaching people about the dangers of drugs will significantly diminish their use as well.

Once more your vote on drug issues goes towards two scenarios which I already talked about.Now you seem to be concerned about the health of others, I like that. Given how violent it’s gotten down in Mexico, and the evidence that surfaced in Portugal, I would say that legalizing drugs would overall be better for the health of people.

 

[rlg94086]

Unless Ron Paul wins or is on the ticket.

Like I said, which won’t be Ron Paul. He won’t be winning the GOP nomination. He may run third party, but I doubt it. Even if he did, you still won’t have Ron Paul as your next President.

 

[pnewton]

Like I said, which won’t be Ron Paul. He won’t be winning the GOP nomination. He may run third party, but I doubt it. Even if he did, you still won’t have Ron Paul as your next President.

Perhaps. Again, he may be my President (and Scott’s) before he is yours (and Ishi’s)

 

[rlg94086]

Perhaps. Again, he may be my President (and Scott’s) before he is yours (and Ishi’s)

Not sure how that’s possible. Are you starting a separate country up in Montana?

Obama is currently our President. Whomever is elected in November, hopefully not Obama, will be our President in January. That’s how it works.

You can certainly hold out hope for Paul, just as Perry and Santorum supporters can hold onto their hope that their candidates will win the nomination. From what I can see, it will be Romney, but there is an outside chance that Gingrich’s second wind may sustain itself…especially if Perry and Santorum were to drop out.

 

[Ghosty]

I understand the election season hyperbole and enthusiasm you have for “your guy”. I hope when the dust settles and one of those bad “Bush 4” non-Ron Paul Republicans is facing Obama, you remember your duty as a catholic.

Ishii

My duty as a Catholic is to vote with my conscience, which I will do. If that means not voting for the Republican candidate then that’s still my duty as a Catholic.

Peace and God bless!

 

[ishii]

Depends on the brand.

Any brand you like, as long as its not an import.

Ishii

 

[ishii]

My duty as a Catholic is to vote with my conscience, which I will do. If that means not voting for the Republican candidate then that’s still my duty as a Catholic.

Peace and God bless!

Okay.