Rosary against building of Ground Zero mosque

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ConvertaKat said:
I would like to take this one step further.

For anyone in the area that they are proposing to build this place, please, get some Miraculous Medals, take them to the site of the current building and place them somewhere in or around the place.
Slip them into cracks, leave them in plain sight. Do what you can.
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This is good! Mother Theresa is known to have done this and it worked for her.
 
Hesychios said:
I can agree with this line of thinking.

We cannot hound out Muslims, because we might not be next but eventually we could be hounded out too. WE can try to pray them out, but how far has this gotten us thus far?
I too don’t like the fact that a mosque or community center is being situated there. I wish it wasn’t. I wish there wasn’t a single mosque in Manhattan.

But why pray for this? Shouldn’t these precious prayers be committed for a more important set of purposes? How about for peace? How about for literacy and medicines around the world? How about for relief of the suffering … and clean drinking water for the flood victims of Pakistan right now (arguably one of the greatest human tragedies of our time, unfolding right now as this thread is growing)?

This issue is a distinctly American parochial issue (no surprise since CAF is 90% American). I guess all issues are parochial but if these people are willing to purchase private property with real greenbacks and someone else is willing to sell it, what have we to do with that? This is something we should pester God over? We should pray to stop a private business transaction in 2010?

Prayers didn’t keep Jerusalem from falling to the Muslims, not once but twice. And the land was anointed with the blood of many Christians defending it, many were professed monks and nuns. I am sure they had their rosary beads in hand. Fervent tearful prayers rose up from all over Europe too. Still today Muslims are everywhere in the holiest place on earth from the Sinai to Galilee.

If the rest of Manhattan is not really Christian it’s comparatively not really much of a loss, except to our pride, and our pride is the biggest obstacle to our salvation.

Praying for God to intervene to remove these people, or to prevent them from coming, does not work. Using force will not work. It all has already been tried and found wanting.

Perhaps we need to defeat them in the marketplace of ideas, perhaps we have to be the Christians we have ever been called to be. Perhaps we need to set a better example, and just possibly the people of Manhattan will turn to Christ and a mosque will give way to a church.
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But it is for peace. Because of the pettiness of some people, there will be non-stop protests and clashes in and around the Mosque. There will be many cases of hatred against Muslims who will go there, and this will only justify more terror attacks from extremists. It may seem trivial today, but looking at the emotions running right now we can see that it won’t take much for it to combust into something far worse.
 
A prayer to Our Lady of Guadalupe would be nice , since an admiral hanged a picture of Our Lady of Guadalupe on his flagship .
 
Why are the Moslems allowed to build here and the Orthodox Church of St. Nicholas, whose church was destroyed by the 9/11 attacks, is getting the run-around on building permits, etc.?

Something is rotten in Denmark.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Why are the Moslems allowed to build here and the Orthodox Church of St. Nicholas, whose church was destroyed by the 9/11 attacks, is getting the run-around on building permits, etc.?

Something is rotten in Denmark.
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As someone remarked before, the S. Nicholas site is part of ground zero itself; as such is subject to the city plans for rebuilding. 51 Park (the mosque site) is not.
 
I sympathize to some degree those who might have a problem with praying the rosary for this, thinking it encourage some people to pray for the wrong reasons. I know the feeling.

However, whoever has that problem – I say pray the rosary anyway! There’s is no real excuse not to because we need it! Pray that people will pray for help in this matter not out of a spirit of hatred or anything God doesn’t want but out of Love, conversion, etc. Also, pray for God’s ultimate will in this matter in Mary’s honor. She is obedience. That’s what came to my mind when I thought about this for a bit and it makes sense to me. I’ve been praying for Barack Obama too for a little “change.” I try to keep my confidence in an intercession high for the most difficult cases.

PS: Jesus told St. Faustina praying for conversion of sinners pleases Him the most.
 
Really, this is a two-edged sword. Any legal action that succeeds against preventing a religion from putting up a place of worship on privately owned land can and will be used against all other religions, not just Islam. Our Parish Pastor has told us a story that in a previous parish he was a part of, they were asked to take the cross down from the roof of the church because its unsightly, and using City Code against the parish. A legal precedent against the opening of a place of worship on private land is very, very bad for ALL religions.

On the other hand, the presence of the mosque can incite violence and hatred in the area. This will not only encourage bigotry but also extremism.

We really should pray hard for a peaceful solution.
 
GEddie said:
As someone remarked before, the S. Nicholas site is part of ground zero itself; as such is subject to the city plans for rebuilding. 51 Park (the mosque site) is not.
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Hmm, so was the land taken from the Orthodox by emminent domain? What happens to their parish?
 
Oct 7th is approaching; we should pray to Our Lady of Victory.

During the Battle of Lepanto (Oct 7, 1571) Europe prayed the Rosary saving Rome as the Holy League repulsed the persistently invading Ottoman Empire.

Of note, the Church of Our Lady of Victory (near Wall St.) is only ~0.6 mile (~12 minute walk) from the proposed site of what would be history’s 2nd Cordoba ‘conquest’ mosque: 45 Park Place is where UA Flight 175’s landing gear fell along with human remains!
 
Those who don’t see a problem with the Ground Zero mosque should take a gander at this. It appears the “mosque” isn’t a mosque at all.
 
Americans’ have to decide if they support the Constitution or not.

Considering that Catholics were persecuted in early America, and that Pres. Kennedy being a Catholic was a very HUGE issue during his election run, I saw we need to really think, study, read, and pray. (Study what it was like to be Catholic in NYC in the early part of our country’s history. It’s not pretty)

I don’t think that building the community center/mosque at Park51 is the wisest choice, but our government officials need to stay out of it and stop politicizing it.

They have the Constitutional right to build it there. It’s private property.
Whether or not they “should” is another question and only one in the end that they can and will decide.
 
Marie5890 said:
They have the Constitutional right to build it there. It’s private property.
Whether or not they “should” is another question and only one in the end that they can and will decide.
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For my part, I agree that yes, they have the right to build whatever “house of worship” they want. If that’s all it was to be, (i.e. a “house of worship”), perhaps the reaction would be different. But of course that’s not all it is supposed to be, and to me, at least, that’s the biggest part of the problem.

The plan is to include a “community and cultural center” which is not necessarily a Constitutional right. The very idea of a “community center” is a joke: the area is not heavily populated in the first place, and of that small population, the number of believers in their religion is minuscule. There is no need for a “community center” much less a “cultural center” or any combination of the two. A community and/or cultural center is not a “house of worship” by any definition.
 
malphono said:
For my part, I agree that yes, they have the right to build whatever “house of worship” they want. If that’s all it was to be, (i.e. a “house of worship”), perhaps the reaction would be different. But of course that’s not all it is supposed to be, and to me, at least, that’s the biggest part of the problem.

The plan is to include a “community and cultural center” which is not necessarily a Constitutional right. The very idea of a “community center” is a joke: the area is not heavily populated in the first place, and of that small population, the number of believers in their religion is minuscule. There is no need for a “community center” much less a “cultural center” or any combination of the two. A community and/or cultural center is not a “house of worship” by any definition.
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Which laws do you feel are in place that could legally be used to oppose it? I dont know much about NYC zoning laws and I know that it’s be decided that it’s not a historic building so isnt protected…

Isnt the property privately owned?

And from what I understand it’s the “mosque” part of it that most people are oppose to…not the community center part of it?..Isnt the building already in use as both?

Isnt the property owner at this point in the free and clear to build what he wants there?..(a sincere question on my part since I admit I dont know the particular laws that govern the area…My understanding is that all legal avenues to stop it are exhausted?)

Thanks Malphono. 🙂
 
Marie5890 said:
Which laws do you feel are in place that could legally be used to oppose it? I dont know much about NYC zoning laws and I know that it’s be decided that it’s not a historic building so isnt protected…

Isnt the property privately owned?

And from what I understand it’s the “mosque” part of it that most people are oppose to…not the community center part of it?..Isnt the building already in use as both?

Isnt the property owner at this point in the free and clear to build what he wants there?..(a sincere question on my part since I admit I dont know the particular laws that govern the area…My understanding is that all legal avenues to stop it are exhausted?)

Thanks Malphono. 🙂
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While I wish I could, I don’t claim to be able to stop it. At the end of the day, I really don’t much care what they do since I will never enter the place anyway. If I had to pass it, I’d cross the street. (For reasons that are far beyond the scope of this thread and have absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, neither, for that matter, would I ever under any circumstances even enter a “house of worship” of that religion, but I digress.) I was merely expressing an opinion.
 
If the Archbishop of New York is OK with a new mosque on his turf, I will defer to his judgment and offer my Rosary for a different intention. If he wishes to purchase the site from its present owners, I would be pleased to support that effort with my prayers and a modest cash donation.

Has the Archbishop or his staff commented publicly on this matter?
 
malphono said:
While I wish I could, I don’t claim to be able to stop it. At the end of the day, I really don’t much care what they do since I will never enter the place anyway. If I had to pass it, I’d cross the street. (For reasons that are far beyond the scope of this thread and have absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, neither, for that matter, would I ever under any circumstances even enter a “house of worship” of that religion, but I digress.) I was merely expressing an opinion.
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I do appreciate that fact that you have personal reasons for your opinions and it’s in that context that you feel so strongly. 🙂

My thoughts were merely the whole idea of what is legal and Constitutional on the matter. 🙂
Nothing more, nothing less. 🙂
 
mick321 said:
If the Archbishop of New York is OK with a new mosque on his turf, I will defer to his judgment and offer my Rosary for a different intention. If he wishes to purchase the site from its present owners, I would be pleased to support that effort with my prayers and a modest cash donation.

Has the Archbishop or his staff commented publicly on this matter?
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My understanding is that Abp Dolan has said that he doesn’t have a strong opinion one way or the other on whether or not it should be there, but he has been willing to meet and mediate between the parties to see if some sort of acceptable resolution could be met for all involved.

I’ll see if I can find the link where I read that…

webcastr.com/videos/news/archbishop-dolan-discusses-mosque-controversy.html

archny.org/news-events/news-press-releases/index.cfm?i=17550

nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/24/2010-08-24_archbishop_dolan_talks_ground_zero_mosque_with_gov_paterson_has_no_strong_feelin.html
 
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The feast of the Most Holy Name of Mary began in Spain in 1513 and in 1671 was extended to all of Spain and the Kingdom of Naples. In 1683, John Sobieski, king of Poland, brought an army to the outskirts of Vienna to stop the advance of Muslim armies loyal to Mohammed IV in Constantinople. After Sobieski entrusted himself to the Blessed Virgin Mary, he and his soldiers thoroughly defeated the Muslims. Pope Innocent XI extended this feast to the entire Church.
 
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