Rosary during Tridentine Mass, I heard it!

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Back in times when most of the laity were illiterate, following along in a missal was basically impossible. They could either memorize the Latin prayers and their meaning, simply watch and listen with devotion, uniting themselves to the priest and Sacrifice, do a private devotion like the Rosary, or some combination above the above. for literate people, following along in the missal is another option.

Personally, I usually follow along in the missal, but sometimes I just watch and listen with devotion, uniting my intentions with those of the priest.
 
Well, my parish offers only the New Rite of Mass, in English,
and during Saturday evening’s Vigil Mass, a woman sitting
directly behind me was reciting her own private prayers
throughout the entire duration of the Mass. I couldn’t tell if
she was using a Rosary or not, but she was not following
the Responses in the Missalette, she was doing her own
prayer thing, so I can tell you from personal experience
that offering ones own private devotions during the Liturgy
is NOT EXCLUSIVE to the Tridentine Mass !!

Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
 
Well, when people cannot follow along in the missal, like when they were not literate in the past. My ideal vision (and one of the very important agendas of the old rite Order I am joining in little over a week) is that the priest should speak loud enough (during those parts not said silently) for the people to hear it.

Then, even if they can’t follow along in the missal, they can still follow along and become familiar with the Ordinary and the priest hopefully will be actively engaged enough in the community to teach them how to chant the ordinary, make the ordinary responses, and what all this means in Latin.

The Propers (especially the scripture lessons) can be then read again in the vernacular before the homily, or at least at the time when there would be a sermon in the case of weekday masses without a sermon.
 
palmas85 said:
One of the oldest and least correct assertions trumepted by the Traditional Mass haters is that the faithful, bound by ignorance of what was going on at the altar were left with nothing to do except say their rosaries. :rotfl:

Even though this particular bit of propaganda has pretty much successfully dispelled, it still surfaces from time to time and only and I do mean only those with an agenda against the Traditional Mass or those with no knowledge of the Traditional Mass put any stock into it at all.

As far as Rosaries before and after Mass, a great idea and very very common, both in the Traditional and and the Pauline… Saying the Rosary during Mass yes, some people did, and some still do, both in the Traditional and the Pauline Rite. It wasn’t by and large done through ignorance or inability to understand what was going on, it was and still is merely that persons way of worship and connecting with Christ on a more personal level.

Much ado about basically nothing, but the haters do take every opportunity to impugn the Traditional Mass. That is why the Motu Proprio scared them so much. Soon, people are going to be able to see, on a much more common level just what lies and misinformation have been bandied about by the more progressive minded among us.
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The only one bringing this up here is you. The topic or this thread is not those mean 'ol TLM haters. It’s the Rosary at Mass. Methinks you are chasing windmills.
 
Actually Bear the OP said, and I quote

People here on this forum keep telling me that the Rosary is not said during the Tridentine Mass, but I heard it again at Saint Margaret Mary Church in Oakland last week during the 6 PM Tridentine Low Mass in Latin. It was during the Mass of the 1962 Missal Ordo Missae. I believe it was the Tridentine Mass of the Faithful - Closing Prayers? But the Church Bulletin has that Mass listed as the Vigil of St. Lawrence with an alternate Comm. St. Romanus.

The poster then went on to detail exactly what he/she heard, which was not the Rosary at all.

I merely pointed out that many believed the Rosary to have been part and parcel of Traditional Masses for various erroneous reasons as our poster apparently believed and pointed out further that such misconceptions had been pretty much corrected but did still crop up from time to time.

No windmills here Bear only the truth.
 
palmas85 said:
Actually Bear the OP said, and I quote

People here on this forum keep telling me that the Rosary is not said during the Tridentine Mass, but I heard it again at Saint Margaret Mary Church in Oakland last week during the 6 PM Tridentine Low Mass in Latin. It was during the Mass of the 1962 Missal Ordo Missae. I believe it was the Tridentine Mass of the Faithful - Closing Prayers? But the Church Bulletin has that Mass listed as the Vigil of St. Lawrence with an alternate Comm. St. Romanus.

The poster then went on to detail exactly what he/she heard, which was not the Rosary at all.

I merely pointed out that many believed the Rosary to have been part and parcel of Traditional Masses for various erroneous reasons as our poster apparently believed and pointed out further that such misconceptions had been pretty much corrected but did still crop up from time to time.

No windmills here Bear only the truth.
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And the mean 'ol TLM haters are where? Again, nobody bashing the TLM, just someone trying to understand something about it.
 
Say the rosary any time you wish, before, during, or after Mass. It was at one time common, and is a pious practice.

From " My Prayer Book" by Fr. F. X. Lasance

** The Eucharistic Rosary**
A Devotion that is suitable at Holy Mass and at the Hour of Adoration

The Holy Rosary, on account of the meditations on the mysteries in the life of Our Lord and the blessed Virgin, which we make while reciting it, is one of the most useful devotions while assisting at Mass, or, in connection with our visits to the Blessed Sacrament and the Hour of Adoration.
The Eucharistic Rosary is especially recommended for this purpose, as it unites meditation on the sacred mysteries of the Rosary with reflections on the life of Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist. The Rosary is one of the most admirable and beneficial devotions practiced in the Catholic Church…
 
Say the rosary any time you wish, before, during, or after Mass. It was at one time common, and is a pious practice.

From " My Prayer Book" by Fr. F. X. Lasance

The above is a quote from a previous post.

I rather fancy that I read where Pope Pius XII had much the same advice.

I suspect that St Louis Marie de Montfort would have also endorsed it.

I am sure all 3 mentioned above were referring to the Rosary being tolled silently on the beads.
 
As stmaria pointed out to us, those prayers after Low Mass were called the Leonine prayers because Pope Leo XIII asked that they be said for the good of the Church. In 1934, Pope Pius XI changed the intentions to that of the conversion of Russia. That is what I remember from my childhood. Now that Russia has been converted, and communism is gone, I wonder what the intentions for these prayers should be? It would be a wonderful time to pray for the reconversion of the once Christian world, the conversion of Islam, world peace, or any of a number of other intentions. I hope that the Holy Father will soon take advantage of this opportunity to put all of these prayers to good use, and give us intentions to be used in our churches all over the world.
 
bear06 said:
And the mean 'ol TLM haters are where? Again, nobody bashing the TLM, just someone trying to understand something about it.
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You know where the Traditional Mass haters are as well as I do Bear. 🙂

Still lurking around these forums, planting small innocent sounding questions, bringing up the old objections, IE: why, I heard of a man who knew a priest who had been told of a diocese that had 5 no 4 no yes it was 3 minute TLM Masses,

Or, muttered prayers hastily mumbled in unintelligible LATIN:bigyikes:

or the perennial favorite, I went to my first TLM the other day and saw a woman no wait it was 100 women clanking their Rosary beads so loud no one could hear the bells of consecration.
:rotfl:

Of course, usually nowadays, thanks to the due diligence of a few observant posters, they tend to cloak their hatred in lofty charitable terms such as

I fully support their right to have a TLM, but just think of the difficulties for the poor priests. I just don’t know how they will cope anymore. In my Parish why we already have 116 Masses every Sunday with at least 30,000 receiving Holy Communion. Where will they squeeze one in? Or how about, well of course they should have one, but is it really fair to ask all of us to go?

But believe me the haters are still there, mostly scared to death right now I’d suspect, even with more than a few Bishops on their side.
 
palmas85 said:
You know where the Traditional Mass haters are as well as I do Bear. 🙂
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What we need is…

The Spanish Inquisition

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/961/spanishinq0go.jpg

Perhaps the haters will be poked with the soft cushion. :eek:

Now, old people - you have one last chance. Confess the heinous sin of heresy, reject the muttered rosary fables - ***two ***last chances. And you shall be free -***three ***last chances. You have three last chances, the nature of which I have divulged in my previous utterance. Now confess, woman. Confess! Confess! Confess! ConFESS!
 
So it suggest to me that it has been acceptable in the past to say the Rosary during Mass. Perhaps this is a hang-over from that time?

So says a previous poster.

Such was a common practice in harmony with Church teaching.

Presumably, where the accepted practice at High Mass is to sing at certain times in the Liturgy, it would not be suitable.

But at Low Mass, what is wrong with tolling the beads?

Nothing according to Pope Pius XII, as far as I can recall.

The Rosary is a profoundly Catholic practice, enjoined us almost as a command by Our Lady at Fatima.
 
palmas85 said:
You know where the Traditional Mass haters are as well as I do Bear. 🙂

Still lurking around these forums, planting small innocent sounding questions, bringing up the old objections, IE: why, I heard of a man who knew a priest who had been told of a diocese that had 5 no 4 no yes it was 3 minute TLM Masses,

Or, muttered prayers hastily mumbled in unintelligible LATIN:bigyikes:

or the perennial favorite, I went to my first TLM the other day and saw a woman no wait it was 100 women clanking their Rosary beads so loud no one could hear the bells of consecration.
:rotfl:

Of course, usually nowadays, thanks to the due diligence of a few observant posters, they tend to cloak their hatred in lofty charitable terms such as

I fully support their right to have a TLM, but just think of the difficulties for the poor priests. I just don’t know how they will cope anymore. In my Parish why we already have 116 Masses every Sunday with at least 30,000 receiving Holy Communion. Where will they squeeze one in? Or how about, well of course they should have one, but is it really fair to ask all of us to go?

But believe me the haters are still there, mostly scared to death right now I’d suspect, even with more than a few Bishops on their side.
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Again, you bring things up here that maybe one person said months or years ago. There are people who hate the Novus Ordo too but I’m not bringing them up. You seem to want to perpetuate animosity that hasn’t reared it’s ugly head in this thread.
 
<< I should say that the Hail Mary is said 3 times during the Tridentine Mass.
No, it is not. Nowhere does the Tridentine Mass call for the recitation of the Ave, be it once, thrice, or any number of times…

What you heard were the so-called Leonine Prayers (originally said when the Pope was losing the Papal States, then were said against modernism, then their intention was changed to the conversion of Russia; with the fall of communism, I don’t know what their intentions are now), and are recited AFTER Mass is over.

These are said, usually in the vernacular, after a LOW Mass, but not after a Missa Cantata or Missa Solemnis.
 
Marysann said:
Now that Russia has been converted, and communism is gone, I wonder what the intentions for these prayers should be?
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I would hardly say that Russia has converted to the Catholic Faith; most Russians are non-Catholic, and there are more abortions in Russia than births. :crying:
 
However, there is a difference between a public conversion collectively and the private conversions individually.

I think the Public conversion…was the fall of communism. It was a collective (ie, political) conversion dependent on the Pope consecrating Russia and the Leonine prayers…and it is done.

However, the private conversions of the Russian individuals…are more important than ever.

And these will be dependent not on public acts of the Church, like the public conversion, but on the private prayers of individuals. If Russia has not converted in the private cases of most of it’s individuals, it is not because of a lack in the Church’s public devotions any more. It is because of a lack of enough people fullfilling the private components of Our Lady’s promises; praying the rosary, wearing their scapular, making the first five saturdays.

The Public components of the devotion were fullfilled…and so the public conversion was fullfilled. Now it is up to us to fullfill the private components of the devotion, so that the private conversions may be fullfilled.

The collective requirements were fullfilled by the Popes, and the collective conversion from communism happened in rather dramatic fashion. But the individual requirements have not been fullfilled by individual Catholics, and so the individual conversions are slow in coming.
 
bear06 said:
Again, you bring things up here that maybe one person said months or years ago. There are people who hate the Novus Ordo too but I’m not bringing them up. You seem to want to perpetuate animosity that hasn’t reared it’s ugly head in this thread.
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One person? Months or years ago? Come now Bear, if we are going to engage in a discussion here. lets at least be honest about things OK?🙂

Yes there are those here who hate the Pauline Rite. Those things get brought up regularly as well. I encourage you, if people make false or misleading statements about the Pauline Rite as has been done with the Traditional, take them to task. I will stand with you shoulder to shoulder to combat misinformation and deceit! 👍

I don’t want to perpetuate anything Bear. I just don’t want the old lies and attempts at misinformation brought back to life again in efforts to color the minds of those who have never been to the Traditional Mass and only know what they read about it…

I’m sure you feel the same way in only wanting whats is best for the faith.🙂
 
I don’t want to perpetuate anything Bear.
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Maybe you shouldn’t assume the worst. Nobody made an attack on the TLM.
I just don’t want the old lies and attempts at misinformation brought back to life again in efforts to color the minds of those who have never been to the Traditional Mass and only know what they read about it…
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Again, the only one breathing life into this is you.
I’m sure you feel the same way in only wanting whats is best for the faith.🙂
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Yes and bringing up past divisions is not helpful to the faith.

Honestly, the TLM haters are few and far between on these forums. More often than not it’s a false accusation to try and taint a person’s posts.🤷
 
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