Rosary: Is it taking scripture out of context?

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The reason I posted this question is because for a while I lived as a pantheistic person, though I received confirmation. I went to all places of prayer and prayed to anything and everything. I even worshiped Mary. I took the title “Mother of GOD” to mean that she was a Goddess. Then I walked away from all faith. I had a personal experience of Jesus back in 1993. I came back to the church recognizing that Jesus is the only way to the Father. I developed a personal relationship with Jesus.

I understood that the title “Mother of GOD” had nothing to do with Mary but rather Christology and that Christ is both 100% GOD and 100% man. I started understanding the dogmas of the church. I had great problems with some of them, but grew through wrestling with them and understanding them. At this point I have no problem accepting the dogma’s related to Mother Mary.

However, because of my experience of Jesus, each time I prayed the rosary, I had this great sense of uneasiness. I feel that I am giving Mother Mary the place that I should reserve only for Jesus. I feel that I need to emulate her by being the handmaid of the LORD, by hearing the word and saying, “Let it be done to me according to your Word.” To co-operate fully with the Holy Spirit in his plan for salvation.

Today in our Church the Rosary is synonymous with Prayer. Whenever we are encouraged to have family prayer, we are told to have family Rosary. My child would not have been able to receive first Holy Communion without knowing the Hail Mary. I guess, there would be others like me who have the same questions.

When I was going through the Catholic Bible Institute, when people questioned about the Role of Mary, the attitude was “How dare you question the church’s authority?” Hence many people did not ask any questions. With the advent of forums like this, it gives people an opportunity to ask questions without being ostracized as heretics.

So, I personally am grateful. I have learned a lot and have also a lot to ponder on.
 
I see. It makes more sense why you ask, given your background.
This is going to sound strange but I never once in my life of praying Hail Mary and having her statue and pictures around since I was pre-K age thought of her as a goddess. Nor did I think of the saints as gods. I can see why someone who didn’t grow up with Mary could think that way, but for a lot of us it’s like space aliens just landed and said something totally weird, like they said my own mother was a goddess or something out of the blue like that.

With respect to family Rosary, you’re joining the Church during a time when people are turning back to tradition. During most of my youth in the Catholic Church, the Rosary was only promoted by old priests and old people. Younger priests weren’t into it. We were supposed to have Bible study at home instead. I understand from some priests that if you prayed the rosary or had devotion to Mary in seminaries in the 1970s, you’d be mocked. I’m also pretty sure young kids are taught Hail Mary because it is a short prayer and the concept of Mary as a mom is easy for young kids to grasp and can head off a lot of discomfort with Mary or wrong impressions of her.
 
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Dovekin:
These suggest there different ways for different people to serve God.
Respectfully not mentioning… other ways… sorry for my very poor communication expressing there is only. One way…that is…God’s way…Jesus himself stresses on this also…his motto was…known by all in his time…I am the …Way… the …Truth… and the… Life…follow me …not the ways of others maybe? …Accept my Word, my instructions… my teaching… as truth…for Jesus upheld the Spoken Word of God did he not?
Jesus never taught us different ways did he?
A House divided cannot stand?
Jesus taught us and gave us the Lord’s Prayer, Our Father…?
As written. But you do not ask me, seek me or knock at my door…

For one only
Faith gets us to his door, …knowing him…and what pleases him, doing what he ask of us…gets us in maybe?
Love Me with your whole heart soul and mind…
Written…Let your ears hear…

Rosary: is it taking scripture out of context, well for one in searching out His Spoken Word…let God himself maybe define such? 🤔

Peace 💗
Rose, St Paul in 1 Corinthians Chapter 12 (verse 5 and 6) speaks precisely of there being many different ways to serve, all coming from the same Lord, and many different ways the Spirit works, but the same God (same Spirit) working in these different ways and different people.
 
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You seem to be insisting that there’s only ONE way?
Respectfully agree with and nicely said, thank you! :rose

For one just pondering on his word…opinion, when speaking of …way…referring to only… accepting his Words as truth is all

Sorry if poorly communication never insisting anything for we all have been given free will… just my personal searching scripture his Spoken Word…to know …what pleases him…His instructions on prayer…
Topic …Rosary: Is it taking scripture out of context?>>have to search out Scripture now…💗 What does God say within His Spoken Word.🤔
Respectfully…Opinion only pondering on.🤔…Prayer is it our communication, our conversation from the heart with the Lord and in requesting for other’s in need, protection, taught to us and is defined also within his Spoken Word etc?

Prayer is a Privilege given? Access to directly?

Example The Prayers in Psalms??
How the prophets prayed?
How Kings Prayed? How Abraham, Moses all others within in the Bible prayed to our Heavenly Father directly also, requesting for self and needs of others, showing us and teaching us how to pray, maybe?

Elijah on Mt Carmel prayed … which James 5:16-18 …quotes from.Elijah…Therefore confess your sins to one another and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The prayer of the righteous is powerful and effective. Elijah was a human being s like us and he prayed fervently that it might rain and for there years and six moths it did not rain on the earth. Then he prayed again and the heaven gave rain and the earth yielded its harvest…

Jesus on Sermon on the Mount…When ye pray rise not vain repetitive as the heathens do for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking… Matthew 6-7 .

Matthew 15:9 And in vain do they worship me teaching doctrines and commandments of men.

Mark 7:6-7 This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me They worship in in vain teaching as doctrines human precepts…

Ephesians 6:18 Pray in the Spirit at all times and on every occasion with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people…

Isaiah 29:13…Since people draw near with words only and honors me with their lips alone though their hearts are far from and their reverence for me has become routine observance of the precepts of men…

Isaiah 1: 10 Listen to the instructions of the Lord…

John 8:54… If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me he of whom you say I do not know him, I would be liar like you. But I do know him and I keep his word. Asking do we first have to know his word to know his Spoken…word…to know the truth and the Way we should follow him, life by in knowing what pleases him and what does not?

Written, This is my Son in whom I am well pleased…

John 8:44 Because I tell you the truth you do not believe me…

Peace 🌹💗
Just opinion on topic title…Rosary: Is it taking scripture out of context?
 
Yes, Jesus taught us the Our Father. (And the Rosary contains 6 Our Fathers) It is a good prayer to say. Catholics would do well to pray it often.
Respectfully toward my responses to topic titled… Rosary: Is it taking scripture out of context?..so I posted… Biblical Scripture verses…examining within His Spoken Word…if one chooses also to look over my other responses, having nothing to do with those who say the rosary, for I say the rosary…only responding to topic title asking us …Rosary: Is it taking scripture out of context?..Why I am getting flagged all the time is beyond me… Also stating kindly …I did not quote from Dovekin…in one of my replies…yet it was attached to one of my replies!!! How that happened I do not known.🤔🤔

Topic title is not about the faithful and myself who say the rosary or speaking out against not doing so…brings great comfort when one does so…but topic title question was asking… Rosary:.Is it taking scripture out of context?? What exactly would that mean? Thus only giving Scriptural verses, doing so respectfully and kindly toward in ones replies…why one is getting flagged all the time, makes one question…???
Peace 🙂
 
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I’m not the person flagging you. I don’t know who is flagging you or why.

To be honest, I stopped reading this thread a couple days back because your replies are quite long and hard to read, and I am unsure what point you are trying to make by posting so very many Bible quotes. The Catholic Church is not Sola Scriptura and we all know that Jesus said a great many things and permitted many ways for people to serve him and his father. None of the things said by Jesus indicate that we should not pray the Rosary, which is based in Catholic tradition.
There is also a bit of a language barrier here unfortunately.

If you have questions about flags or removals, you should message the moderators (@camoderator) and not be posting in the thread wanting to know why your posts were removed.

I note that the TOS recommends that people not make very lengthy posts full of quotes, and you have made several, so that might be a possible issue. Again, I am just guessing as I did not flag you, have not been reading, and don’t know who did flag you.
 
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None of the things said by Jesus indicate that we should not pray the Rosary, which is based in Catholic tradition.
Respectfully thanks Tis_Bearself for your kind reply now I understand, this topic question got me confused…Rosary: is it taking scripture out of context?

I might of misunderstood this question…like how are we to pray what does scripture say? For me not against the Rosary…I say the… Rosary 💗!!! Other’s might of thought differently…when I was quoting Scripture…and my poor misunderstanding of this topic question…🤔

I do not take the bible literally either…Bible is made up of parables, metaphors, poetry, songs, etc…So why is this question being asked in such a way…why one went to scripture is all. Thank you for the good advice, will work on that! Peace 💗🌹 .
 
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Shouldn’t our prayer rather be “Hail Jesus”?
You would think. But from my understanding & it’s not Dogma, some believe asking Mary for assistance is saying “Hail Jesus.”

How so?

We, as human beings, are called by the Father to know, love, & serve God. To know God is to know Mary, His most dutiful daughter, His faithful Spouse, His Holy mother.

To love her is to love Him.His most dutiful daughter, His faithful Spouse, His Holy mother.

To serve her is to serve Him. His most dutiful daughter, His faithful Spouse, His Holy mother.

Is it not the same in your family? How well do I know you if I don’t recognize you in your mother, your Spouse, your children?

How much do I love you if I do not love your mother, your children, your spouse?

Do I not more perfectly serve you by serving your mother, your Spouse, your children?
 
test all spirits we are told right?
Right.
One honors our Blessed Mary 💗 saying the rosary throughout ones life,
One honors God by doing so. It is God who first honoured Mary by making her the mother of His Son and sending an Angel to proclaim her blessing.
that is not really a question for me, but rather in getting to …know…him our Creator of all, and seek to do all that pleases him…
That is a worthy cause.
…Does our Heavenly Father, creator of all and those in whom he has also called in serving him… not also give us instructions… teaches us through whom… all He has chosen in serving him within His own Spoken Word taught us also how to solely and directly approach him and in doing so gave great Worship, Praise and Glory solely onto him?
Yes. Through the Eucharist in the Mass. See Heb 10:25-31; 1 Cor 11:26; Luke 22:19
As written…This is my son in whom I am well pleased…
Jesus and all those who were called sought only to please the infinite Creator of all did they not? All throughout the whole Bible we can read how all gave Glory, Worship and Praise only onto Him when they directly approached him did they not? 🤔
Sure. But they also admonished us to pray for one another and to ask holy men to pray for us because their prayers are more efficacious:

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.

Notice how St. James encourages us to ask Fr. Elijah (Elias), long dead, to pray for us even though he is long dead at that point.

cont’d
 
cont’d with @rose321
Agree everyone has their own personal relationship with Him as did all our forefathers, woman also before us did they not?
Yes. If we keep the Commandments.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

And if we partake of the Eucharist:

John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Isaiah 42: 8 I am the Lord, that is my name; my glory I give to no other nor my praise to idols…See, the former things have come to pass, and new things I now declare; before they spring forth, I tell you of them…

Guess we have to keep on reading
.Isaiah 43:7 everyone who is called by my name whom I created for my glory whom I formed and made…

Lord’s Prayer beings with… Our Father…?
As I said, the Rosary, which is a meditation of the life of Christ, gives great glory to God and Our Lord’s prayer is an integral part of that prayer.
Are we taught first to known him and to not only know, but to recall instead…All our Heavenly Father, Creator … has done for us all… since the beginning of time?
That is precisely what the Rosary does.
Jesus as written…tells us I cannot teach or do nothing without my Father?
I gave them your name, but they accepted another?
I’ve never read that verse. But Scripture also says:
Luke 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

Do you obey that admonition?

Isaiah 44: 8 Is there any god beside me? There is no rock, I know not one.
Peace 🙂
One respectfully and fully agrees with your own personal understanding, thank you…
Peace to you, as well. One thing though, although we might have personal preferences, we are Catholic and we obey the Institution which Jesus Christ leads and has put on this earth to unite us to Him. That Institution is the Catholic Church.
 
Great post Justin_Mary. I’d like it 100 times if I could.

The prayer to Mary never stops at Mary. It always goes straight on through to Jesus.

I may have posted this before, but when I went to Mass on the Annunciation a few days ago, the priest made a point of telling us, twice, that the solemnity is “The Annunciation of OUR LORD”, about Jesus, not The Annunciation of Mary.
 
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