Rosary Praying Catholics removed from Brussels Cathedral by Police during "Reformation Celebration"

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My question is, was the “celebration” of the tragic revolt a means of converting protestants? What is the purpose then? Interfaith?
That is a good question. In fact, that is something that every bishop must weigh when deciding the course of these events. For that reason, I think the choice of dates is difficult. I always consider the analogy of personal ecumenism. There are the door knockers and tract droppers; and there are the ones who witness by acts of charity, lifestyle, and dialogue.

One thing St. John Paul believed in was communal prayer and worship, as opposed to mutual ex-communications and condemnations. My own concern is that when we focus on Lutherans as our enemy, we weaken our defense against the one great enemy that is secularism, humanism and modernism.

But even that is not the issue here. It is who has the authority to decided how a facility is to be used, and whether that authority should be accepted or protested and disrupted.
 
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It is who has the authority to decided how a facility is to be used, and whether that authority should be accepted or protested and disrupted.
A Cathedral is consecrated as a House of God for the worship of the One True God through His Holy Catholic Church, principally by the celebration of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. It is not just any “facility”. No power on earth has the authority to forbid the veneration of the Mother of God, especially in a Cathedral, and especially when it is forbidden in favor of a heretic minister preaching the unholy doctrines of the “Reformation”. Anyone who declares otherwise should be resisted, as he has no lawful authority to enforce such a position.
 
Rather that continue with assertions and rhetoric, where does Canon Law state this?
 
Then we need to change the options on responding to the posts above from “Like” to “Commemorate.” 😉
 
You are the second poster on this thread to have the audacity to assert who Christ Himself would consider to be “good” Catholics. Amazing.
 
You judged that it is strongly possible that other Catholics, because they call Protestants heretics, are bad Catholics (the contra-positive of what you said) and then linked it to Our Lord’s criticism of the Pharisees, as if you know that the two are parallel. At best, you compared other Catholics to being Pharisees for holding a traditional position of the Church - namely that Protestants are heretics, and at worst you illicitly employed a scriptural account of Christ to strengthen your attack.
 
Another buzz-word hijacked by the Spirit of the Council. What does it mean? Apparently, now it means we stick up for heretics in our own Cathedrals as our fellow Catholics are carted off the premise by the cops for praying the Rosary.
 
My question is, was the “celebration” of the tragic revolt a means of converting protestants? What is the purpose then? Interfaith?
My impression has always been that the Pope and Church wish to rejoin if at all possible with the Protestant churches. Being friendly and welcoming to them and trying to see positives and find common ground is a reasonable first step.
 
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Praying together is the best step. While we may not be able to unite our minds, uniting in our common love for Jesus to whom nothing is impossible, can give us hope for unity. I sometimes think we are better off trying to convert ourselves as the first step to the conversion of others.
 
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It brings me hope for the future of the church that all these people are so young <3
There is a mood of Anti-Religious-Authority rampant in Western countries. Most of it is from the Left, but some on the Right, too. Do not think of those as two opposites.

If you persuade people that it is ok to disrupt a service in a cathedral you don’t like, they will go on to disrupt those you do like. If your fav website pushes that Pope Francis can be ignored, young people will go on to ignore teachings of Pius XII or JP II.

Every time an incident like this happens, it will be used often by those who want to exclude the Latin Mass, devotion to Fatima, etc. (“You see? We have good reason to be cautious about those people!”)
 
Praying together with other non Catholics has always been frowned upon by the saints and early Church Fathers, and even the Council of Trent.
 
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Do you know the meaning of the word “cathedral”? It is derived from the “cathedra” or chair of the bishop. A bishop can no more co-opt his own chair than the Pope can co-opt the Vatican, the President can co-opt the Oval Office, or you can co-opt your own house you own.
Not to become pedantic with regard to co-opting, but yes, a president, a pope and a bishop can co-opt their office by making it subject to their personal desires and wants. Obama did it, Holder did it, Lynch did it, the Renaissance popes did it, cardinals like Richelieu did it, and the Arian bishops did it. There is no claim about the impeccabllity of the holder of the office to be inferred or guaranteed merely because the chair of the office is highly regarded or even safeguarded.

In any case, my position with regard to this event isn’t that it was necessarily a bad idea, but that the responses from both sides go a long way to highlighting the real issue – the intransigency of human beings with regard to picking and defending their own side. The reformers were clearly intransigent when they moved from wishing to reform or define doctrine to getting rid of anything they, themselves, did not agree with, as if the entire edifice of the Church was theirs, and not God’s, to determine. Some hierarchy of the Church may also have shown their own brand of intransigence by being unwilling to pause and listen and pray concerning God’s will on how to properly face the issues at hand.

Perhaps that same intransigence was played out by both sides in the cathedral and here again in this forum by our own insistence insisting that ours is the proper understanding and the opposing view is simply in error. Where is God’s perspective allowed to be considered, if we simply assume it aligns perfectly with our own?

I am not saying that you are at fault here, but that all of us are to some degree and that is why we each continue to push our own point of view when we ought to be listening at times such as these to where God is asking us to be. It is especially in difficult instances such as these where so much is at stake that we ought to be far more attuned to God rather than to our own ideas, emotions or goals.

There very likely are points to be made in all sides, but the still small voice of truth stands quietly in the middle waiting for the noisey chatter to abate.

Perhaps the lesson to be learned has more to do with disciplining our capacity to listen and understand rather than to speak and inform.
 
Praying together with other non Catholics has always been frowned upon by the saints and early Church Fathers, and even the Council of Trent.
From Unitatis Redintegratio

Today, in many parts of the world, under the inspiring grace of the Holy Spirit, many efforts are being made in prayer, word and action to attain that fullness of unity which Jesus Christ desires. _

The term “ecumenical movement” indicates the initiatives and activities planned and undertaken, according to the various needs of the Church and as opportunities offer, to promote Christian unity. … At these meetings, which are organized in a religious spirit, each explains the teaching of his Communion in greater depth and brings out clearly its distinctive features. In such dialogue, everyone gains a truer knowledge and more just appreciation of the teaching and religious life of both Communions. In addition, the way is prepared for cooperation between them in the duties for the common good of humanity which are demanded by every Christian conscience; and, wherever this is allowed, there is prayer in common.

This is not “springtime” or “spirit”, but actual Vatican II.
 
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Praying together with other non Catholics has always been frowned upon by the saints and early Church Fathers, and even the Council of Trent.
Haven’t you heard of the Springtime of the New Pentecost of Vatican II? tsk, tsk. 😉
 
Unitatis Redintegratio
A paragraph from one document sweeps away centuries of tradition and teaching? I don’t think so. If we read this document in light of Tradition (which is very difficult, but the ONLY proper way in which it can be read) the conclusion can still be reached that the number of instances when praying together with non-Catholics is very small. Examine the subjective nature of this line (a feature rife throughout the V2 documents)
according to the various needs of the Church and as opportunities offer, to promote Christian unity
What does that mean? Who decides the need for “ecumenical” services? The bishops. And the bishops are supposed to uphold and be guided by authentic Tradition. But very few are anymore. And therefore we have another purposefully ambiguous V2 document used to inundate the Church with false ecumenism.

Do any of these events actually promote “Christian unity” according to the traditional understanding of what that means AKA the real understanding AKA the understanding that says the goal of all ecumenism is for Protestants to recant their heresies and return to the Catholic Church outside of which their is no salvation? No. Placing Budda’s on altars and kissing Korans does not lend to the accomplishment of this goal.
 
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Are you saying that every person who is raised as a Protestant doesn’t know what Catholicism is? This is quite simply false. Almost all people in the modern day who are Protestants have at some point rejected a Catholic doctrine. Therefore they are heretics.
 
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