Rosary Praying Catholics removed from Brussels Cathedral by Police during "Reformation Celebration"

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Do you mean to say that Unitatis Redintegratio promotes the false ecumenism that the Church has always condemned? This isn’t an accusation—I’m just trying to make sure I understand your position on this matter.
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I only quoted what the Catholic Church wrote while meeting in the ecumenical council at Vatican II. My position is to try and always keep the position of the Catholic Church, which is why I like to quote things like Church documents, encyclicals, Scripture, etc. My own words are poor.
 
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If someone denies a doctrine of the faith, they are a heretic. Do you agree with this statement?
 
whyeyeman said:
Are you saying that every person who is raised as a Protestant doesn’t know what Catholicism is? This is quite simply false. Almost all people in the modern day who are Protestants have at some point rejected a Catholic doctrine. Therefore they are heretics.
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They might know what Catholicism is, but you are quite false in saying they rejected Catholic doctrine. To reject Catholic doctrine, you have to first have been correctly instructed in Catholic doctrine from Catholic sources. Misrepresentation of Catholic doctrine by non-Catholic sources does not count.

A Catholic who apostatizes and joins a non-Catholic Church is heretical. A non-Catholic never instructed in the faith is not heretical.
 
OraLabora said:
They might know what Catholicism is, but you are quite false in saying they rejected Catholic doctrine
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I know many Protestants who fully understand the Catholic Dogma of the Immaculate Conception (better even than many Catholics do) and flat out reject it as “blasphemous”. They are blinded by their heresies. A sign that this is from the devil is how vehemently they react against any dogmas or doctrines that honor Our Lady.
 
Then what does it mean that just the act of quoting them results in a negative reaction? If the Church means in council and gives a direction that is contrary to the direction that some of our earliest saints gave, in regards to a practice (not a doctrine), what is the problem? We all know that practices can change, right?
 
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If the Church means in council and gives a direction that is contrary to the direction that some of our earliest saints gave
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Once again, if Unitatis Redintegratio is read according to tradition, as difficult as this is, we must believe that it is possible to reconcile it with the previous teachings. This isn’t just some little discipline like which hand the altar boy holds the thurible in. This is a major aspect of our Faith which has been discussed in depth over the millenia by saints, doctors, and popes and which an entire magisterium has been built up around. Unitatis Redintegratio cannot reverse this magisterium or contradict it. It just can’t.
 
R_H_Benson said:
I know many Protestants who fully understand the Catholic Dogma of the Immaculate Conception (better even than many Catholics do) and flat out reject it as “blasphemous”. They are blinded by their heresies. A sign that this is from the devil is how vehemently they react against any dogmas or doctrines that honor Our Lady.
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Anecdotal. Most that I know, haven’t a clue about Catholic doctrine, other than what they perhaps learned in a Jack Chick tract, or their own pastor saying something like “Catholics worship Mary”.

That does not strike me as being blasphemous. Just ignorant.
 
R_H_Benson said:
Once again, if Unitatis Redintegratio is read according to tradition, as difficult as this is, we must believe that it is possible to reconcile it with the previous teachings.
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The part I quoted referenced practice.
 
On the other hand, Catholics must gladly acknowledge and esteem the truly Christian endowments from our common heritage which are to be found among our separated brethren.

Nor should we forget that anything wrought by the grace of the Holy Spirit in the hearts of our separated brethren can be a help to our own edification.

So, how can one receive if he never stops delivering insults long enough to listen?
 
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Good for them, I am happy to see such a brave witness. We need courage to stand by the truth.
 
There were two rows of them, more than seven and some young women with them. Also, they seemed to be the only young people in the Church. I’m not advocating what they did but it is interesting to see a group of young people serious about their faith.
 
Martin Luther Knew Catholicism quite well and was very likely “correctly instructed by Catholic sources”.

Pope Leo excommunicated him and declared him a heretic. I’m guessing folks are wondering why the Catholic Church is “celebrating” a movement that condemns Catholic theology.
 
Commemoration/celebration. Semantics. Commemorating what? A rebellion that split the Church?
 
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