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Hello all,

Just a quick explanation about myself and where this question comes from is that I’m in the process of converting to Catholicism, and right now reading up and learning as much as I can.

Right now I’m learning the Rosary and how to pray.

Now, onto my question… I have this “Catholicism for beginners” type book which covers all or most of the basics, and I’m on the part about the Rosary. It teaches what prayers to say and when, and one of the prayers being the ‘Glory Be’.

However, how they have it written in the book, the middle of the prayer is written like this:

“as it was, is now, and ever shall be”

Every other source I’ve seen, from television to the internet has it as:

“as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be”

Is there a right one, or is it just matter of preference? I’ve practiced the book version so much now I’ve grown sort of fond of the shorter version, but if it’s incorrect I got to change.

Please help
 
Greetings Digital_Blue,

In private I am sure any of those version are acceptable. However if you are praying the Rosary in a communal setting, it’s best to do as the Romans do.

I pray “as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be world without end.” in private. I know in the LOTH hours it uses slightly different wording in the conclusion of the Glory Be.

However I am beginning to pray my prayers in Latin, no confusion there. But it took years of learning and meditating upon them in English for me to feel comfortable in doing this.

God bless.
Anathama Sit
 
In 50 years I have never heard the “Glory Be” any other way than how you specify is typical, “…as it was in the beginning…”

It is so stunning to hear another version, I’m wondering if the book you have is a “typo”. I’m not an expert, but I don’t believe it’s a sin per se to leave out that phrase. However, I do believe most Catholics would respond that the version above is the “correct” one.

Note that the Latin version also includes the “beginning” phrase:

Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto, sicut erat in principio, et nunc et semper, et in saecula saeculorum.

Good for you on such care learning your prayers.
 
Digital_Blue said:
Hello all,

Just a quick explanation about myself and where this question comes from is that I’m in the process of converting to Catholicism, and right now reading up and learning as much as I can.

Right now I’m learning the Rosary and how to pray.

Now, onto my question… I have this “Catholicism for beginners” type book which covers all or most of the basics, and I’m on the part about the Rosary. It teaches what prayers to say and when, and one of the prayers being the ‘Glory Be’.

However, how they have it written in the book, the middle of the prayer is written like this:

“as it was, is now, and ever shall be”

Every other source I’ve seen, from television to the internet has it as:

“as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be”

Is there a right one, or is it just matter of preference? I’ve practiced the book version so much now I’ve grown sort of fond of the shorter version, but if it’s incorrect I got to change.

Please help
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First, welcome home! :highprayer: As a convert myself, I totally understand how challenging it can be to find the most common version of a traditional prayer. And once you memorize a prayer, it can be quite the challenge to “fix” it in your head, so it’s always best to learn it right the first time.

And you think the Glory Be is fun, just wait until you have to find the words to the St. Michael the Archangel prayer. 😃 There’s a lady at church, and God bless her, but while everyone else says “wickedness and snares of the devil” she says “MALICES and snares of the devil” and she says it loud enough so that everyone can hear. It’s maddening! I totally wish I was kidding, Google “St. Michael Prayer” and EVERY SINGLE LINK on the first page has a slightly different version of the prayer. Even at my Extraordinary Form (Latin Mass) church, where at low mass we say the Leonine Prayers from the missal, they say a different version than is actually in the missal!

Also, just FYI, from what I can tell, this is the most common version of the prayer, to save you the hunting I went through:

Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil; may God rebuke him, we humbly pray and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all evil spirits who prowl around the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
 
I am merely a two year old Catholic, myself (pretty good on a keyboard for a toddler, eh), and I have several pamphlets and books about the Rosary. Every last one of them has the “in the beginning” in it. I never learned it any other way. As shown above, it is also in the original Latin.

It is good to see someone concerned enough about the Rosary to get it right. Sometimes it seems like the Rosary prayer is a dying rite.
 
It’s fine either way, you can try to match everyone else if you are reciting the rosary in public, but chances are you’ll pray it the way you are used to doing in private. I’ve always heard it (and prayed it) 'as it was in the beginning." Don’t let yourself get too obsessed with it.

The other piece of this prayer is “world without end, amen.” You’ll find some newer prayer books that drop “world without end,” and “Christian Prayer” does this as well. There was a thread on this a few weeks ago, which I didn’t have time to read.
 
Thank you everyone for your replies!

@ Anathama Sit, “it’s best to do as the Romans do”, that is good practical advice I’m sure will serve me well on my journey. I guess I need to understand that everyone and every place may celebrate and pray just a little different than the next.

@ HonoraDominum, thank you sincerely for the Saint Michael, I have yet to learn that prayer, and I’m sure you’ve just saved me a future confusion 🙂

As a person, I’ve always had an inherently ‘orthodox’ side to me when approaching life, whether it be politics, religion, etc. I pay attention to the details.

I think everything should be represented as faithfully as possible, as to avoid living in a world of falsehood.
 
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