Roy Moore's Accuser Count is now up to 9

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no, not everyone below the age of 16 is the same.

they are not all little kids

Read up on pedophile in the law statutes
Theo, we know that everyone below the age of 16 is not the same. And I don’t think Roy Moore is a pedophile (although he certainly seems to be an ephebophile, which may or may not be OK with you).

But wouldn’t you agree that there something wrong with a man in his 30s who prefers to date teenage girls?
 
And my position is Doug Jones OPENLY SUPPORTS these atrocities … being able to defend himself?
Catholic moral theology teaches is contingent not just on the gravity of the act but of the volition of the offender"
1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: “Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.”
The people who don’t see abortion as child molestation can hardly be considered guilty of a grave sin of child molestation - legally or morally - if they were to have an abortion. And people who support legal access to abortion are similarly not culpable.

On the other hand, there is near universal agreement that a 30 year man making engaging in sexual activities with a 15 year old is morally wrong, and it is legally wrong. I have heard no argument against that.

You haven’t come to grips with the fact that people think differently about abortion than you do. Your responsibility is not just to keep your hands clean - that is just washing your hands of the matter. Successfully engaging people with different ideas will doubtlessly require a more thoughtful approach…
 
Many, perhaps most, of Roy Moore’s defenders . . .
But I AM not posting here to defend Roy Moore for political office.

I’m here to defend the principle that a guy is entitled to a fair hearing. And I don’t think Moore has had that.

I’m not saying YOU have to think Moore is innocent.

I’m perfectly fine with you thinking Moore is guilty and NOT voting for him (in your heart in this case as you mentioned you are not eligible to vote in this election).

But so far at least, I am still ALSO fine with someone saying they think Moore is innocent.

But what I am NOT OK with, is people getting on here and accusing good members of “supporting” sexual deviants.

And in all fairness Inisfallen, I have not seen YOU do this here. You have NOT ATTACKED good people in this way here (at least that I have seen).

You are entitled to come to your own conclusions.

Back during the Bill Clinton scandal many people were told we were NOT allowed to conclude guilt about Bill Clinton based on the many factors that people use to come to such conclusions of probability of guilt or innocence.

Then when the blue dress that was . . . well then when there was produced physical irrefutable evidence discrediting Clinton, the whole argument of the NEED to assume innocence was abandoned for . . . “Well it’s just sex.”.

Or “It’s really none of the country’s business”.

Or “This is a tragic waste of an investigation and taxpayer dollars of Ken Starr’s.”

Or myriad of other excuses.

But none of these new excuses supporting Bill Clinton focused around his presumed innocence anymore.

And a lot of conservative voters saw this and said rhetorically . . .

“Do you mean you guys DIDN’T REALLY MEAN IT!!??”
“Ya mean all along all that talk about fair play, and presumption of innocence until proven guilty, was phony?”

(In all fairness, not ALL liberals talked about presumption of innocence, then shifted into OTHER EXCUSES for Bill. Some liberals were principled in this assertion.)

But the end result of that is many of the conservative voters developed a deep distrust when liberals start moralizing about their political candidates.

Now I know that works both ways.

But the liberal answer always seems to be to give these guys (overall, not necessarily each individual politician) MORE POWER. MORE ability to exert influence over others. MORE GOVERNMENT.

And conservatives see this as a self-contradiction.

So when conservatives have CNN, and NSNBC, and the Washington Post delivering up not just Moore, but just about ANY politician who is not a liberal, the voters have a deep distrust of the media.

When the media attempts over and over to “deep-six” the Bill Clinton Lewinsky scandal (and the people find out about it later. Or “deep-six” the Havey Weinstein escapades), the people just are not moved by them anymore.

And in a sense it’s a shame. It’s a shame because of voters who may ditch principle (yes even conservative voters), but it’s ALSO a shame regarding politicians who have abused their power and trust as well as the media who in far too many cases, has been enablers of these antics with mainstream media dishonesty.

And the voters are on to it.
 
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no, not everyone below the age of 16 is the same.

they are not all little kids

Read up on pedophile in the law statutes
Right, like I said I think of most young people as little kids, so I was not trying to assign a legal definition to the crime of sexually assaulting a 14 year old.
 
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no, not everyone below the age of 16 is the same.

they are not all little kids

Read up on pedophile in the law statutes
Right, like I said I think of most young people as little kids, so I was not trying to assign a legal definition to the crime of sexually assaulting a 14 year old.
If your defense of Moore is that at least he didn’t go after prepubescent children, that’s not exactly rousing support for the man.
 
I think some Republican voters do care about abortion and some politicians even, but I also think that the Republicans as a party think they are better served by keeping it a wedge issue - voice support but make no attempt at real change.
This paragraph highits the hubris you exhibit every day here.

Typical liberal/leftist ideology = you MUST agree with me or you are not worthy of having an opinion because you are evil/racist/mysogenistic/nazi/power hungry/etc, ad nauseum.

To think that YOU, a far leftist ideologue, understands what Republicans think is laughable.

Dozens of us have tried to explain it to you here, but you seem to be so emotionally tied to your fantasy world where conservatives must be evil/racist/etc that you apparently lack the ability to understand how half of the country thinks. It’s like we are a basket of deplorables!

Here, let’s see if this is simple enough for you.

Moore = Probably did bad things 40 years ago, but some reasonable doubt. Says he will do good things in future.

Jones = no idea of his past, says he will do bad things in future.

Are you capable of comprehending that??
 
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Well, it seems like, even when the Republicans are in charge, abortion remains legal. Probably because they nominate child molesters like Roy Moore for office.
Couldn’t possibly be because it takes a supermajority to get things passed.

Or the fact that even when Republicans get anti-abortion laws passed, leftist judges declare them unconstitutional.

Nope, in Jigs world where Republicans must all be evil/racist/mysogenist nazis…it’s because we are all FOR child molestation.
 
That is not my opinion. It is what he has repeatedly said. How can it be that you would not know that, given your support for him?
Please provide source where Moore said only people with HIS religious ideologies deserve protections.

And I’m not a Moore supporter.
 
Please provide source where Moore said only people with HIS religious ideologies deserve protections.

And I’m not a Moore supporter.
Please, you have countless posts here supporting Moore, how are you not a Moore supporter?

As a Moore supporter, I am sure you are aware that he says that the constitution was meant to foster Christianity. That he views the first amendment as only applying to Christians, and that he defines Christians as those holding his own particular view of Christianity. Try Google if you don’t believe me. Given the time you have spent on this site defending him, I am sure you have a minute to actually look him up.
 
I am not a Moore supporter, but I will defend anyone whom I think is being unfairly accused. There are some people here who want to act like judges, juries, and executioners…and then label everyone who disagrees with them as"supporters of child molesters". That’s wrong…and stupid.

I agree that our country was built on Judeo-Christian values. But that doesn’t mean others shouldn’t have protections, and I doubt Moore has said that. Since you won’t (cant?) provide a link then I will assume you are wrong.
 
If your defense of Moore is that at least he didn’t go after prepubescent children, that’s not exactly rousing support for the man.
There is a huge difference, I’m shocked you don’t see it.
  • One is biologically appropriate but culturally wrong
  • The other is aberrant behavior, both biologically and culturally wrong.
Pretending one is the other is just dishonest.
 
Culturally wrong? But biologically appropriate?

Do you maybe flinch just a little when you type these things?

Leigh Corfman was 14. It isn’t biologically appropriate for a 14 year old to be sexually active. A 14 year old isn’t done maturing and pregnancy at that age is not "biologically " appropriate.

She thought she was going on a dinner date, not to be groped by an adult man more than twice her age. He, not only, brought her to his home with intention of molesting her. He was a prosecutor at that time. Committing a felony.

Lawyers get disbarred for things like that.

She didn’t say anything to an adult because she thought she did something wrong
 
I am not a Moore supporter, but I will defend anyone whom I think is being unfairly accused. There are some people here who want to act like judges, juries, and executioners…and then label everyone who disagrees with them as"supporters of child molesters". That’s wrong…and stupid.

I agree that our country was built on Judeo-Christian values. But that doesn’t mean others shouldn’t have protections, and I doubt Moore has said that. Since you won’t (cant?) provide a link then I will assume you are wrong.
Someone with hundreds of posts supporting a politician is by definition a supporter. Since you won’t (can’t?) do any basic research on your own candidate, here is just one link to his actual position on the first amendment. Try googling “Roy Moore First Amendment” if you actually care what positions your candidate takes. His position against religious freedom is long standing and well documented.

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/05/roy_moores_twisted_hisotry_isl.html
 
Culturally wrong? But biologically appropriate?

Do you maybe flinch just a little when you type these things?

Leigh Corfman was 14. It isn’t biologically appropriate for a 14 year old to be sexually active. A 14 year old isn’t done maturing and pregnancy at that age is not "biologically " appropriate.

She thought she was going on a dinner date, not to be groped by an adult man more than twice her age. He, not only, brought her to his home with intention of molesting her. He was a prosecutor at that time. Committing a felony.

Lawyers get disbarred for things like that.

She didn’t say anything to an adult because she thought she did something wrong
Stop playing the fool. It’s only in the last maybe 150 yrs that we’ve moved the legal age of marriage to be late teens. Throughout human history people have started their families much younger than we do now. Heck, they were lucky to live to their 40th birthday.

I’m delighted with why we’ve delayed marriage in our culture, but it’s dishonest to claim the reason isn’t driven by culture instead of biology.

Stop trying to make everything about pedophilia, something very different and aberrant.
 
Again, not a Moore supporter. I think he is a terrible candidate but, like Trump, he may not be as terrible as his opponent.

Thanks for the link. It’s a heavily biased opinion piece that takes one side of the argument.

I generally agree that our nation was founded upon judeo-Christian values, and that it is the Christian God who is pervasive in our founding documents. That is a history that is whitewashed by PCness.

What’s missing in this article is what freedoms, exactly, has Moore said don’t apply to non-Christian religions?
 
Oh stop it! How very childish Your comment y show just how out of cogent responses you really are. Maybe time to get a new hobby,don’t ya think?
It is quite an uncharitable post. And it’s against forum rules. ProVobis was right about the harassment and attacks here as being inappropriate. ☹️
 
Sure, you don’t hate the Democrats. You like Democrats, but you just like child molesters more.
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Oh stop it! How very childish Your comment y show just how out of cogent responses you really are. Maybe time to get a new hobby,don’t ya think?
Why are you being rude? I am just pointing out that child molesters will continued to get elected to the Senate in Alabama until Republicans decide they love children more than they hate Democrats. Obviously this doesn’t apply to you since you won’t vote in Alabama and like Democrats.
Really? You just called Jeanne a lover of child molesters.
 
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