Roy Moore's Accuser Count is now up to 9

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SuperLuigi said:
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niceatheist:
I forget. Are you talking about Roy Moore or Bill Cosby? The defenses look so similar.
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Both situations are different, but both are innocent until proven guilty.
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And once more, because you seem to have a serious comprehension problem, that concept applies to trials, not to voters deciding who to choose at the ballot box. Why is this concept so hard for you to understand?

There isn’t going to be a trial. The statute of limitations long ago expired. If Moore feels that he has been unfairly accused, well, there are nine women he can sue, and if he’s being defamed by them, he will certainly win.

Of course, he won’t, because they aren’t lying, and suing them means his perversions would come out in open court.
 
niceatheist said:
And once more, because you seem to have a serious comprehension problem, that concept applies to trials, not to voters deciding who to choose at the ballot box. Why is this concept so hard for you to understand?
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Because it DOESN’T just apply to trials! It’s common human decency.

By your standard, I could apply that to every single refugee in Europe accused of rape. How about that? Does that bother you? Meaning the next time I read on my twitter about those “rapey refugees”, I can just assume it’s true, especially if more than one person says so.
niceatheist said:
Of course, he won’t, because they aren’t lying, and suing them means his perversions would come out in open court.
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Again, you don’t know if they are lying or not. The fact that you want them to because for some reason you volunteer your time carrying the water for the American DNC does not mean they are telling the truth.
 
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SuperLuigi said:
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niceatheist:
And once more, because you seem to have a serious comprehension problem, that concept applies to trials, not to voters deciding who to choose at the ballot box. Why is this concept so hard for you to understand?
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Because it DOESN’T just apply to trials! It’s common human decency.
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Yes it does apply just to criminal trials. It doesn’t even apply to civil trials, where balance of probability is the usual measure.

And I tell you this, if my daughters were still teenagers, and there was a man who had been openly accused of sexually assaulting or harassing other girls their age, I would not permit them to be in that man’s company.
By your standard, I could apply that to every single refugee in Europe accused of rape. How about that? Does that bother you? Meaning the next time I read on my twitter about those “rapey refugees”, I can just assume it’s true, especially if more than one person says so.
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No, you can’t, because not every refugee in Europe has been accused of molestation. But your obsession with Muslims is noted.
niceatheist said:
Of course, he won’t, because they aren’t lying, and suing them means his perversions would come out in open court.
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Again, you don’t know if they are lying or not. The fact that you want them to because for some reason you volunteer your time carrying the water for the American DNC does not mean they are telling the truth.
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I feel the balance of probabilities are in favor of him having been a sex pest with a fixation on teenage girls. I am not even the tiniest bit obligated to simply dismiss their claims. Not one little bit, and if you can’t handle that, that’s your problem.
 
niceatheist said:
And I tell you this, if my daughters were still teenagers, and there was a man who had been openly accused of sexually assaulting or harassing other girls their age, I would not permit them to be in that man’s company.
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Oh really? Are you aware you’d be called islamphobic, bigoted AND racist for suggesting such a thing—by the VERY same people you are running cover for!

In fact, it won’t be long in our nations before such children will be expendable.
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No, you can’t, because not every refugee in Europe has been accused of molestation. But your obsession with Muslims is noted.
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No, there is this thing called evidence. And aside from some allegations, I’ve seen NONE.

Gloria Allred won’t even turn over the yearbook for independent analysis.
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But your obsession with Muslims is noted.
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I said refugees, not Muslims. Interesting how you made that connection, though…
niceatheist said:
I feel the balance of probabilities are in favor of him having been a sex pest with a fixation on teenage girls
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He may have dated girls who were 16 or older. That is and was legal in Alabama.
niceatheist said:
I am not even the tiniest bit obligated to simply dismiss their claims.
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A decent, fair person would consider both sides.
 
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By “decent fair person” you really mean “partisan dupe”.

If you would.let your teenage daughters be in the company of a sex pest with a thing for teenage girls, then go to it. I wouldn’t let Roy Moore near my girls, nor would I vote for him.

You see, I actually possess actual values, and don’t exist simply to shout out partisan talking points and act if everything in politics is a perverse game.
 
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Whoa, I thought what Roy Moore did was legal. Golly, some people around here sure like to present it that way. I guess sexual assault of children is illegal in Alabama.
 
niceatheist said:
, and don’t exist simply to shout out partisan talking points
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That is all you have done on this thread.
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And why do you believe Roy Moore? Just because he said so?
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I said I don’t know and I posted a FACTUAL story about at least of the accusers backing down to some degree and that post was attacked with an ad hominem fallacy.

Otherwise, innocent until proven guilty. And woman or women saying so doesn’t mean guilty.

The standard indicated in some comments is similar to what they have in Pakistan, only the genders are reversed.
 
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SuperLuigi said:
Otherwise, innocent until proven guilty. And woman or women saying so doesn’t mean guilty.
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As pointed out over and over again, this is a standard for conviction in a court of law.
Voters will soon have to make a judgement. They may not have all of the facts that they wish, but it is not uncommon for people to have to make assessment and decisions in the absence of perfect information. In this case, the evidence impeaching the judges character is strong, even if not incontrovertibly compelling.

It is, btw, far more compelling than any evidence against, for example, Hillary Clinton in any of the matters that some fringe conservatives obsessed and make no shortage of judgement - even “legal” - about.
 
Suggs was found to possess child pornography and video equipment, so he was subsequently hit with added charges.

Both men pleaded guilty and happened to be sentenced on the same day by different judges. Starbuck got 16 months for enticement. Suggs got 10 years for enticement as well as possession and attempted production of child pornography.
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Roy Moore has been charged nor accused of this
 
niceatheist said:
There is a deep moral rot at the heart of the Republican Party, and if Moore wins, the rest of America will see just what it is the Republican Party really stands for.
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Once upon a time, I would have agreed with you, and said it would be the death of the GOP.
But then they elected Trump president, knowing that he cheated his contractors, bragged about committing sexual assault, disrespects POWs and Gold Star families, continued to call the Central Park Five guilty AFTER they were definitively exonerated by physical evidence, encouraged violence against protestors at his rallies . . .

Apparently nothing can kill this thing that the GOP has become.
 
Mulligan2 said:
The Daily Beast - 28 Nov 17

Doug Jones Locked Up Men Who Did What Women Say Roy Moore Did

Donald Trump, who says the Democrat is weak on crime, is supporting a Republican who multiple women now say treated them criminally.
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He also successfully prosecuted KKK members for murder. Probably another reason Trump hates him.
 
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