Royal to Marry in the Vatican

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My thought on reading the headline was that the French presidential hopeful was going to legitimize her relationship.
 
Nice of Her Maj to attend :rolleyes:

Of course no-one is mentioning the fact that - presuming Lord Nicholas either is a Catholic or is marrying one - he has lost his place in the succession to the throne :mad:

All the fancy Vatican weddings in the world won’t disguise the sour smell of plain old bigotry.
 
Unfortunately, any member of the royal family who converts to Catholicism or who marries a Catholic automatically gives up their right to succeed to the throne. Hopefully, that will change.

Lord Nicholas Windsor’s mother, the Duchess of Kent, is a convert, as is Prince Michael of Kent, the Duke of Kent’s younger brother. There may be others, but I can’t remember. It is said that the Duke of Edinburgh has quitely resumed the Greek Orthodoxy of his youth.
 
LilyM,

Yeah, I’ve heard about that ban as well. England, even now, is terrified to have a Catholic in line for the thron…:rolleyes:

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JKirkLVNV:
It is said that the Duke of Edinburgh has quitely resumed the Greek Orthodoxy of his youth.
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There’s an interesting point…

Could a future Royal who falls in love with a Catholic (not that I think any other religion is prohibited :mad: :mad: ) potentially pass them off as Anglican until after the marriage and then let them convert back? :hmmm:
 
LilyM said:
There’s an interesting point…

Could a future Royal who falls in love with a Catholic (not that I think any other religion is prohibited :mad: :mad: ) quietly pass them off as Anglican or whatever until after the marriage and then let them convert back :hmmm:
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That would be dishonest, Lily! And future royal or future monarch? Any future royal would be eliminated automatically from the succession. And if it were a future monarch, it would spark a constitutional crisis. How bad it would be would depend on how much the government or the people cared. I doubt that they, as a whole, care very much.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
That would be dishonest, Lily! And future royal or future monarch? Any future royal would be eliminated automatically from the succession. And if it were a future monarch, it would spark a constitutional crisis. How bad it would be would depend on how much the government or the people cared. I doubt that they, as a whole, care very much.
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:ehh: I meant purely from a legal perspective of course :whistle: …

not that there wouldn’t be a certain satisfaction in giving some shtick to the Brits after all their mistreatment of Catholics over the centuries …

I suppose given the ruckus over Charlie being divorced and remarried you’d probably be right. Not to mention that pretty much anyone who’d want to marry into them would want their head read.
 
LilyM said:
:ehh: I meant purely from a legal perspective of course :whistle: …

not that there wouldn’t be a certain satisfaction in giving some shtick to the Brits after all their mistreatment of Catholics over the centuries …

I suppose given the ruckus over Charlie being divorced and remarried you’d probably be right. Not to mention that pretty much anyone who’d want to marry into them would want their head read.
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Yes, I never understood the C of E’s problem with Charles remarrying. Women priests, women bishops, gay bishops with boy friends…divorce and remarriage seems almost staid compared with some other things that church has sanctioned.
And yes, they’d want their head read.
 
Good luck to Lord Nicholas and his new wife 👍

Just a few points

The “Queen of England” doesn’t exist, and hasn’t since 1707 and the Act of Union. She is the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not “Queen of England”. 🙂

Lily, if the fiancee was to become an Anglican and convert back to Catholicism after the marriage, this would be allowed I think? (though be a bit sneaky 😛 and ofc dishonest… in a strictly legal sense though that would be fine)… the Duchess of Kent converted to Catholicism and would be crowned Queen in the event of the Duke becoming King.

The ban on a Catholic ascending to the throne is a shadow of the persecution on both sides during the period after the Reformation :mad: None of the 16 governments of the Commonwealth Realms will go near the subject (and admittedly, I’d rather atm that they concentrated on health care and the war in Iraq and other business) however I pray that some day soon this law will be swept away forever 🙂 If the heir was to fall in love with a Catholic, I’d imagine they would soon sort it. :rolleyes:
 
I believe the Archbishop of Canterbury has suggested that this prohibition (succession of Catholics to the throne) be repealed. I suspect it would be if either William or Harry started to get serious with a Catholic woman. Anyone outside of the children of Prince Andrew and Prince Charles (I don’t even know if Edward or Anne have children) is pretty low on chances to be the Monarch anyway.

About the only place that repealing it would be controversial would be in Northern Ireland with Paisley and his merry band of troglodytes.
 
Mt19_26 said:
“Last month the Queen of England cleared the way for Lord Nicholas to be married in the Vatican. The first member of the British Royal Family to do so in 400 years.”

First British Royal in 400 years to marry in the Vatican
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So the Queen of England and the Pope are standing together on a balcony at the royal wedding and the Queen says, “Watch this, I can make all the English guests here cheer at the wave of my hand!” She waves her hand and, sure enough, all of the English attendees cheer with great enthusiasm.

Then the Pope says, “That’s nothing - I can make all the Irish in the world cheer with one nod of my head!”

The Queen says, “I’d like to see you do THAT!”

So he headbutts her.

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Christus_Rex said:
The “Queen of England” doesn’t exist, and hasn’t since 1707 and the Act of Union. She is the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not “Queen of England”. 🙂
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That’s debatable, with respect to you and your persuasion, I don’t recognize her as my Queen or her authority over this part of the world, and never will until, and past my dying breath.

I only recognize one Queen, Mary the Queen of Heaven and Christ the King.

Hope this doesn’t offend, but no use saying otherwise, that would just be plain lying, but give to Cesar what belongs to Cesar.
 
Eireann said:
That’s debatable, with respect to you and your persuasion, I don’t recognize her as my Queen or her authority over this part of the world, and never will until, and past my dying breath.

I only recognize one Queen, Mary the Queen of Heaven and Christ the King.

Hope this doesn’t offend, but no use saying otherwise, that would just be plain lying, but give to Cesar what belongs to Cesar.
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Well, trying not to offend anyone myself, you can’t ignore the facts. Northern Ireland is under the duristiction of Westminster and the British Crown.

I don’t see why you can’t accept that she has authority over Northern Ireland, I realise it is your own personal view, but if she’s not your head of state and if Westminster/Stormont isn’t your seat of government, then what is? Because Leinster House isn’t, and those are the cold hard facts, whether any of us likes it or not.

To beat the system successfully you must accept it. Had the SDLP or Sinn Féin not done that, you’d be stuck with a nationalist party who sits in parliament and does nothing (ie pre SDLP), or a party who doesn’t sit in parliament at all (ie a Sinn Féin, although I dispise them, who not only ignored British rule, but Irish too).

Just a question, were Ireland to revive the High Kingship of Ireland, would you not then recognise that High King/Queen as yours too? 😛 (I believe quite a high percentage of Irish people are related to the last High King of Ireland, highest density is in Donegal I believe!)

lol, Paganus, quite a funny joke. 😛
 
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Well, trying not to offend anyone myself, you can’t ignore the facts. Northern Ireland is under the duristiction of Westminster and the British Crown.
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It is but I don’t accept it, and never will, like I said above.
I don’t see why you can’t accept that she has authority over Northern Ireland, I realise it is your own personal view, but if she’s not your head of state and if Westminster/Stormont isn’t your seat of government, then what is? Because Leinster House isn’t, and those are the cold hard facts, whether any of us likes it or not.
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And Stormont is ? :rotfl: that place is a joke, Dr No seems to be making sure if that.
Actually if there isn’t agreement soon, then the whole shoo-tin gallery is going to be dissolved, and we will have a devolved government, so Leinster house is as far away as you line to predict.

And the politicians can see a big cut in £££££££.

I believe the Republic is pumping in 80 million euros, for the first time in history, to the north, I wonder will they reject that too ?

Although the Republics government has been involved in so much sleaze over the past few years, I don’t think they’re ones to look up to.
To beat the system successfully you must accept it. Had the SDLP or Sinn Féin not done that, you’d be stuck with a nationalist party who sits in parliament and does nothing (ie pre SDLP), or a party who doesn’t sit in parliament at all (ie a Sinn Féin, although I dispise them, who not only ignored British rule, but Irish too).
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And the reason I would never vote SDLP, because they sit in a british parliment.

You accept it if you want, me, not now not ever, I would never bow to an earthly king or queen, only the King and Queen of Heaven.
Just a question, were Ireland to revive the High Kingship of Ireland, would you not then recognise that High King/Queen as yours too? 😛 (I believe quite a high percentage of Irish people are related to the last High King of Ireland, highest density is in Donegal I believe!)
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lol, Paganus, quite a funny joke. 😛
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Well I’m next door to Donegal, I’m related to the kings of Ireland and their history.
I wouldn’t bow to them either, I’d have to accept them I suppose, ok I relinquish my royal rights here and now on CA.👍

While I’d have to accept their kingship, it’s not as bad as accepting a queen from a foreign land who thinks she is my ruler, she isn’t, well only in her head.

I NEVER will accept the british royal family, I don’t need them, do they even know I excist ? :bowdown:

And as this thread is about a royal marrying in the Vatican well that’s my last post on it, sorry for the hijacking.

Cheers thanks for your thought provoking reply, I think you know where I stand.😉
 
Eireann said:
That’s debatable, with respect to you and your persuasion, I don’t recognize her as my Queen or her authority over this part of the world, and never will until, and past my dying breath.
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Well I’m sorry, but the country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the Head of State is the Queen, whether you accept it or not. :rolleyes: I also see you immediately assumed I was English, never mind the fact that most of my dad’s family history is Irish and Catholic.
Eireann said:
I only recognize one Queen, Mary the Queen of Heaven and Christ the King.
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lol oh deary me 🙂

It always makes me laugh and cry when I think of the Catholics who hate monarchy, the form of government so complimentary to their Faith. Ah well. :rolleyes:

Heehee to the joke Paganus… though the story behind it does sadden me… the utter vitriol some Irish (and even more so, the American descendants of Irishmen who seem to think hatred for the Queen makes them more Irish :confused:) feel for the British Monarchy and the slander and lies against it. Again, ah well.
 
Christus_Rex said:
Well I’m sorry, but the country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the Head of State is the Queen, whether you accept it or not. :rolleyes: I also see you immediately assumed I was English, never mind the fact that most of my dad’s family history is Irish and Catholic.

lol oh deary me 🙂

It always makes me laugh and cry when I think of the Catholics who hate monarchy, the form of government so complimentary to their Faith. Ah well. :rolleyes:

Heehee to the joke Paganus… though the story behind it does sadden me… the utter vitriol some Irish (and even more so, the American descendants of Irishmen who seem to think hatred for the Queen makes them more Irish :confused:) feel for the British Monarchy and the slander and lies against it. Again, ah well.
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Let’s not open and try to discuss (let alone solve) all the problems of Irish/English history with the attendant issues. Though if we do - could we also digress into English/French issues; Scotch/English issues; German/French issues; Russian/Polish issues; Chinese/Japanese; Japanese/Korean; Hutu/Tutsi; Sunni/Shia; Azeri/Armenian; Croat/Serb; etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum? 😛
 
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