Rubio Endorses Romney

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Santorum (I am a Santorum guy, remember) won’t even help carry his home state.
Appears neither would Rubio help carry his.

“A poll of Florida voters, conducted by Public Policy Polling (PPP), found 50 percent favored President Barack Obama in the November election, while 45 percent sided with the presumptive Republican nominee, Mitt Romney. More interesting was what happened when Rubio, widely seen as a top candidate for vice president in the fall, was added to Romney’s ticket. In that case, the poll found, support for Romney actually dropped by two percentage points. Nor did the poll find evidence that Rubio would draw more Hispanics to vote for Romney. The president won among Hispanics, 52 percent to 37 percent, in a head-to-head match-up with Romney, the poll found. Add Rubio to the mix and that gap remains unchanged.”

myfoxchicago.com/dpps/news/poll-rubio-no-help-to-romney-in-fla-dpgonc-20120417-kh_19229773
 
Appears neither would Rubio help carry his.

“A poll of Florida voters, conducted by Public Policy Polling (PPP), found 50 percent favored President Barack Obama in the November election, while 45 percent sided with the presumptive Republican nominee, Mitt Romney. More interesting was what happened when Rubio, widely seen as a top candidate for vice president in the fall, was added to Romney’s ticket. In that case, the poll found, support for Romney actually dropped by two percentage points. Nor did the poll find evidence that Rubio would draw more Hispanics to vote for Romney. The president won among Hispanics, 52 percent to 37 percent, in a head-to-head match-up with Romney, the poll found. Add Rubio to the mix and that gap remains unchanged.”

myfoxchicago.com/dpps/news/poll-rubio-no-help-to-romney-in-fla-dpgonc-20120417-kh_19229773
Hey, Cmatt. Interesting polls about Rubio. But in spite of this, so many on the right are still very enthusiastic for Rubio. Why do you think that is? Also, you previously implied that if Rubio was asked and accepted the vice presidency nomination, he’d be “going back on his word” or some such. Are you aware that Joe Biden, when asked if he was interested in the vice presidency said: “I’ve made it clear I don’t want” the job, Sen. Joseph Biden said in 2008. “I’m satisfied where I am right now.” Did he go back on his word? Or is your standard something you apply only to Republicans? I still maintain that Rubio would be a great vice presidential choice. The guy would blow away party hack Biden in a debate.

Ishii
 
Hey, Cmatt. Interesting polls about Rubio. But in spite of this, so many on the right are still very enthusiastic for Rubio. Why do you think that is? Also, you previously implied that if Rubio was asked and accepted the vice presidency nomination, he’d be “going back on his word” or some such. Are you aware that Joe Biden, when asked if he was interested in the vice presidency said: “I’ve made it clear I don’t want” the job, Sen. Joseph Biden said in 2008. “I’m satisfied where I am right now.” Did he go back on his word? Or is your standard something you apply only to Republicans? I still maintain that Rubio would be a great vice presidential choice. The guy would blow away party hack Biden in a debate.

Ishii
I personally think Hillary Clinton will be the VP candidate for the Dems this year. …Cuban-themed dancing and beer at the convention after the announcement.
 
Hey, Cmatt. Interesting polls about Rubio. But in spite of this, so many on the right are still very enthusiastic for Rubio. Why do you think that is? Also, you previously implied that if Rubio was asked and accepted the vice presidency nomination, he’d be “going back on his word” or some such. Are you aware that Joe Biden, when asked if he was interested in the vice presidency said: “I’ve made it clear I don’t want” the job, Sen. Joseph Biden said in 2008. “I’m satisfied where I am right now.” Did he go back on his word? Or is your standard something you apply only to Republicans? I still maintain that Rubio would be a great vice presidential choice. The guy would blow away party hack Biden in a debate.

Ishii
Hey Ishii, I had a hunch you’d be interested in a FL poll showing Marco does nothing to help Romney. 😃

Honestly I have no idea whatsoever why conservatives think he is a savior for Romney. 🤷 But because they do, it makes the poll more interesting to me because I saw an analysis the other day showing Electoral College scenarios and each one had Romney needing FL.

But the thing about Rubio, Ishii, is he just keeps on and on and on talking about his lack of interest, having at one point declared, 'I’m not going to be vice president". (You’ll recall I posted the link with his statement further back on the thread) He can’t be any clearer than that unless he thinks if he is on the ticket he isn’t going to be VP because Romney won’t win. 😛 I’m not at all concerned though about a VP debate between Joe and Marco. And I doubt seriously their debate or any debate by Biden and the GOP VP pick would decide the election.
 
I personally think Hillary Clinton will be the VP candidate for the Dems this year. …Cuban-themed dancing and beer at the convention after the announcement.
Not sure if you’re serious, but if Obama dumped Biden, I think the flack he’d catch for doing so would outweigh any advantage Hillary would give him. It would be unprecedented - when in history has a president dumped his vice president? On the other hand, Obama might decide that he needs another “historical” candicacy like his own in 2008. Its obvious that he is becoming increasingly desperate as Romney has all but clinched the nomination and has begun to focus his criticism on Obama, rather than his GOP rivals.

Ishii
 
Hey Ishii, I had a hunch you’d be interested in a FL poll showing Marco does nothing to help Romney. 😃

Honestly I have no idea whatsoever why conservatives think he is a savior for Romney. 🤷 But because they do, it makes the poll more interesting to me because I saw an analysis the other day showing Electoral College scenarios and each one had Romney needing FL.

But the thing about Rubio, Ishii, is he just keeps on and on and on talking about his lack of interest, having at one point declared, 'I’m not going to be vice president". (You’ll recall I posted the link with his statement further back on the thread) He can’t be any clearer than that unless he thinks if he is on the ticket he isn’t going to be VP because Romney won’t win. 😛 I’m not at all concerned though about a VP debate between Joe and Marco. And I doubt seriously their debate or any debate by Biden and the GOP VP pick would decide the election.
So you’ve abandoned the tactic of accusing Rubio of “going back on his word” if he accepts the vice presidential nomination?

Ishii
 
So much for Marco Rubio being “Pro Life”…

How can anyone claim to be Pro-Life and support Mitt Romney?
:confused:

(From Rick Santorum’s Website)
ricksantorum.com/news/2012/03/romneycare-offers-free-taxpayer-funded-abortions
With Romney-Care, taxpayer funded abortions started as a $50 copay…
Verified here:
mahealthconnector.org/portal/binary/com.epicentric.contentmanagement.servlet.ContentDeliveryServlet/About%20Us/Connector%20Programs/Additional%20Resources/cc_benefits1220_pt234.pdf

Unfortunately, now abortion in Massachusetts is 100% taxpayer funded.
Verified here:
mahealthconnector.org/portal/binary/com.epicentric.contentmanagement.servlet.ContentDeliveryServlet/About%20Us/Connector%20Programs/Benefits%20and%20Plan%20Information/HealthBenefitsAndCopays.pdf
Keep in mind, Romney signed “Romney-Care” into law in 2006, well after his so-called “Pro-Life conversion”!

Romney and Obama are politically identical.
 
So you’ve abandoned the tactic of accusing Rubio of “going back on his word” if he accepts the vice presidential nomination?

Ishii
I see a difference between VP Biden being satisfied where he was and Rubio emphatically saying he is not going to be Vice President.
 
I see a difference between VP Biden being satisfied where he was and Rubio emphatically saying he is not going to be Vice President.
So since Rubio said " I am not going to be vice president" we have to hold him to that to the point of accusing him of “going against his word” (as Cmatt said) whereas Biden can say, “I’ve made it clear I don’t want to be vice president” but you don’t hold him to his word? Clearly, you are holding Rubio to a different standard in order to be able to criticize him should he get the nod? Seems pretty obvious to me.

Ishii
 
I see a difference between VP Biden being satisfied where he was and Rubio emphatically saying he is not going to be Vice President.
Saying, “I’ve made it clear, I don’t want to be vice president” is not emphatic? Cmatt, I think you’re being partisan here. Why not admit it?

Ishii
 
So much for Marco Rubio being “Pro Life”…

How can anyone claim to be Pro-Life and support Mitt Romney?
:confused:

(From Rick Santorum’s Website)
ricksantorum.com/news/2012/03/romneycare-offers-free-taxpayer-funded-abortions
With Romney-Care, taxpayer funded abortions started as a $50 copay…
Verified here:
mahealthconnector.org/portal/binary/com.epicentric.contentmanagement.servlet.ContentDeliveryServlet/About%20Us/Connector%20Programs/Additional%20Resources/cc_benefits1220_pt234.pdf

Unfortunately, now abortion in Massachusetts is 100% taxpayer funded.
Verified here:
mahealthconnector.org/portal/binary/com.epicentric.contentmanagement.servlet.ContentDeliveryServlet/About%20Us/Connector%20Programs/Benefits%20and%20Plan%20Information/HealthBenefitsAndCopays.pdf
Keep in mind, Romney signed “Romney-Care” into law in 2006, well after his so-called “Pro-Life conversion”!

Romney and Obama are politically identical.
Taxpayer funding for abortion in Massachusetts was decided by the Supreme Court before Romney became governor.

This is part of a letter from pro life advocates in Massachusetts defending Mitt Romney’s pro life record:
We do not agree with the claims that Gov. Romney is responsible for tax payer funded abortion under the Massachusetts health care system. That blame lies solely on the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court who ruled in 1981 that the Massachusetts Constitution required payment for abortions for Medicaid-eligible women. In 1997, the Court reaffirmed its position that a state-subsidized plan must offer “medically necessary abortions.”
lifenews.com/2012/01/02/pro-life-advocates-in-massachusetts-say-romney-is-pro-life/
 
Appears neither would Rubio help carry his.

“A poll of Florida voters, conducted by Public Policy Polling (PPP), found 50 percent favored President Barack Obama in the November election, while 45 percent sided with the presumptive Republican nominee, Mitt Romney. More interesting was what happened when Rubio, widely seen as a top candidate for vice president in the fall, was added to Romney’s ticket. In that case, the poll found, support for Romney actually dropped by two percentage points. Nor did the poll find evidence that Rubio would draw more Hispanics to vote for Romney. The president won among Hispanics, 52 percent to 37 percent, in a head-to-head match-up with Romney, the poll found. Add Rubio to the mix and that gap remains unchanged.”

myfoxchicago.com/dpps/news/poll-rubio-no-help-to-romney-in-fla-dpgonc-20120417-kh_19229773
The article says the poll was done on 700 Florida voters, it does not say the poll was done on independents, or swing voters, who Marco Rubio being VP may make a difference. If Democrats were included in the poll then it would not probably make no difference to them if Marco Rubio was on the ticket. I think the poll is misleading.
 
Is there a double standard in which if the Democats nominate a woman or “person of color” its okay, but if the GOP does it, its " tokenism" ?
You look at the polls and electoral results to see if this is so. Are there any elections were the strategy was successful?

Why it seems to be tokensim for the GOP and not democrats? The women or “persons of color” that the GOP nominates do not seem to be interested in helping all people who are oppressed, they seem to be primarily self-interested. Their advancement seems to be coupled with policies that help only themselves. In fact, some think they are likely to be worse than the rest of the GOP since they have to “prove” to the rest of the GOP that they can be just as tough on minorities and women as the rest of the GOP. In addition, they don’t seem particularly qualified compared to their opponents; most people would agree that Hillary Clinton is more qualified than Sarah Palin, Barack Obama more qualified than Alan Keyes.

I brought up that McCain was winning until he made inaccurate statements about our economy; that is really where the focus should be to win the next election - the economy, not on racial spite.
But its always the liberal Democrats who are crying “racial discrimination” if a group or organization isn’t “diverse” enough. The Democrat party is the one that makes a big deal out of how many blacks are senators or congressmen, not the GOP. That should answer your above point - they pander all the time.
Since racism exists in this country that slowly transitioned away from chattel slavery, to legal segregation, there is nothing wrong in questioning to see if it is present. To say there is something wrong with checking to see if racism is there and then fighting against it if it is, is what is immoral. We have a saint, St. Katherine Drexel, who established Xavier University, a historically “black” Catholic university as well as founded an order to minister to Native Americans and blacks, as well as privately helped support fledgling black priests. Is she “pandering” because she cared about diversity?
Liberals are always focussed on what percentage is black in a certain group - they are the ones who make a big deal out of it.
I guess St. Katherine Drexel was a liberal then? :rolleyes:
And the justice department under Obama has certainly been racially partisan rather than color blind. Have you noticed that Obama took a stand on the Augusta country club policy of not allowing women? That is a good example of what I’m talking about.
You need to prove your assertion on the justice department. As for the Augusta country club, so did Mitt Romney.
Historical support in the Democrat party for affirmative action and racial quotas is another example of their focus on race and gender in politics and society rather than qualifications.
Quotas are illegal. Mitt Romney and George Bush also support affirmative action if necessary. Focusing on race is no different from St. Katherine Drexel. If people are oppressed because of race, it is not immoral - in fact it is ethical - to focus on race, just like focusing on ending any other form of oppression. Many conservatives understand this. **That being said, the discrimination against the unborn and poverty are the most important forms of oppression to eliminate for the time being. ** But if this country had never instituted chattel slavery, it would never have paved the path for abortion, which was founded partly as a way to get rid of the formerly enslaved blacks without having to deport them.

As for qualifications, affirmative action was meant to increase focus on qualifications. People often automatically assume that white men are qualified while others aren’t even though those others may be qualified.

Until I posted on how McCain’s poll numbers fell when he said the “fundamentals of our economy are strong”, it was ignored that McCain did not appear qualified to most people because they didn’t trust him on the economy. It is important to check the qualifications of EVERYONE, not assume that some people - white men - are always more qualified. The GOP can win if they convince the rest of the public that they know what they are doing and it is in the best interest of all.
Who said that Herman Cain is more authentically “black” than Obama? Radicals may call Obama an Uncle Tom, but I think you’d be hard pressed to make the case that blacks who are Republicans don’t have to endure far worse criticism and much more frequently.
Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham said this…

The only election Obama lost was to Bobby Rush, a black panther. Artur Davis, a Democrat black, lost his governor’s election because he voted against Obama’s health care plan and was also called an Uncle Tom.

A lot of conservative blacks do not speak out against anti-black discrimination except when it hurts them “personally.” Herman Cain accused the harassment scandal of happening because he was black, and Jon Stewart of being racist. Yet he said that “racism doesn’t hold anyone back.” So did it hold HIM back? And if so, is he suggesting that all of America is not racist except against conservative blacks? Why would that be the case? 🤷

No, I don’t think conservative blacks have to endure far worse criticism. I think they have to endure far worse criticism from LIBERALS, but liberal blacks endure far worse criticism from CONSERVATIVES. This country focuses TOO MUCH on race, not out of a desire to help the oppressed but because of an unhealthy obsession. If you look at the top 3 newsgetters in 2011, they were Barack Obama, Herman Cain, and Muammar Gaddafi. There is only one thing that these 3 people have in common to make the American public focus on them over everyone else.
 
Most important reason for the “tokenism” is the initiative and the cynicism. It is sort of depressing to think people are substitutable based on gender, and that people should throw whoever they are supporting under the bus b/c someone else of the same race or gender is proposed. If people saw McCain as promoting Sarah Palin because of his deep respect for women and conviction about her qualifications and ability to succeed if given the chance, instead of as a cynical ploy to take votes from Obama by exploiting Hillary’s loss, it probably would not have created a backlash. 🙂
 
Rubio slipped in a interview, he said, ‘If I do a good job as vice president…’

Then he was asked if Romney asked him to be VP would he accept and he said no
 
Saying, “I’ve made it clear, I don’t want to be vice president” is not emphatic? Cmatt, I think you’re being partisan here. Why not admit it?

Ishii
Ishii, I’ll explain it this way to you and then I’m moviing on. I’m satisfied staying home tonight and don’t want to be invited out to dinner. That is different than saying I am not going to be invited out to dinner tonight.
 
The article says the poll was done on 700 Florida voters, it does not say the poll was done on independents, or swing voters, who Marco Rubio being VP may make a difference. If Democrats were included in the poll then it would not probably make no difference to them if Marco Rubio was on the ticket. I think the poll is misleading.
You do realize don’t you that FL voters voting in Nov are not only going to be independents. FL voters like anywhere else are a mix of Democrats, Republicans. and independents. So it would be silly to take a poll solely done on independents.
 
Ishii, I’ll explain it this way to you and then I’m moviing on. I’m satisfied staying home tonight and don’t want to be invited out to dinner. That is different than saying I am not going to be invited out to dinner tonight.
Cmatt, you’re twisting things around. I truly hope that if Rubio were to become the vice presidential nominee, you won’t cry “he went back on his word!” because to do so would be blatantly partisan and I’m sure most would see right though it. I notice that when I point out where you’re inconsistent, you have a tendency to want to “move on” rather than admit it.

Ishii
 
Why it seems to be tokensim for the GOP and not democrats? The women or “persons of color” that the GOP nominates do not seem to be interested in helping all people who are oppressed, they seem to be primarily self-interested. Their advancement seems to be coupled with policies that help only themselves.
I reject your premises and assumptions, HailStarofSea. You are saying that any “person of color” who doesn’t buy into the whole liberal victimhood ideology is “self-interested” ? I think your post here is quite telling - you can’t fathom the possibility that minority members of the GOP (and conservatives in general) might just have a different view of what the solutions to some of the societal problems are! The liberal victim ideology says minorities problems are because of racism and oppression, and women’s problems are because of sexism and if someone isn’t blaming the problems of minorities on racism, then they are “self-interested”. In addition to that ideology being wrong, I find that ideology to be the very thing that limits minorities ability improve their lives based on personal responsibility, self reliance, and hard work. Instead, minorities are told:

“its not your fault. the system and the self-interested politicians (read: rich, white politicians)oppress you - that is why you fail to get ahead. Vote for us, we’ll help you.”

Minorities have been fed that line now for decades. Am I wrong? The fact that you are saying that a minority can’t be a Republican and conservative and genuinely want to help people improve says that you have no objectivity.
In fact, some think they are likely to be worse than the rest of the GOP since they have to “prove” to the rest of the GOP that they can be just as tough on minorities and women as the rest of the GOP. In addition, they don’t seem particularly qualified compared to their opponents; most people would agree that Hillary Clinton is more qualified than Sarah Palin, Barack Obama more qualified than Alan Keyes.
That is your judgement. And again, I would reject your premise that the GOP is “hard on minorities”. I see that you seem to have an inability to accept that conservatives, far from wanting to hurt minorities and women, just have different ideas on how to help them. Why do you insist on imputing bad motives to those with whom you disagree? It stifles debate, you know, and is basically a form of ad hominem argument - used by people who don’t have a very strong argument to begin with. Wouldn’t it be better to have a discussion on what policies work and what doesn’t, and hash that out, instead of tired ad hominems? You should read some Thomas Sowell.

Ishii
 
Cmatt, you’re twisting things around. I truly hope that if Rubio were to become the vice presidential nominee, you won’t cry “he went back on his word!” because to do so would be blatantly partisan and I’m sure most would see right though it. I notice that when I point out where you’re inconsistent, you have a tendency to want to “move on” rather than admit it.

Ishii
I move on my friend because after we each have pointed out things to each other, and if we still disagree, instead of going around in circles, I move on. Usually I just let you have the last word. Someone has to inititate moving on though in such cases. 🤷 Peace.
 
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