Rubio Endorses Romney

[ishii]

As said before, my interest is not in politicizing these issues, but in TRUTH. Doesn’t seem right to me to post for pages on end about a victim ideology, then when shown that this is not ideology but fact, to change the subject. **Really, I think that reduces the effectiveness about any message regarding the racial disparities regarding abortion to try to overly politicize the message so it makes no sense. ** Are you really saying that racism has no significant effect, but at the same time, the effect is so great that a genocide is happening? Either racism is a significant negative factor in society or it is not. It is not a political football for its effect to be denied when convenient despite evidence but brought up again when it scores political points. Can’t have it both ways.

In other words, no, you don’t want to address my point. I would say that an undelying racism which motivates liberals to want to put abortion clinics in inner cities where “people of color” live is a racism that needs to be discussed more urgently than a supposed link between longetivity and “stress” due to racism or criticizing supposed “token” picks of the GOP. You are focussing on the wrong kind of racism, HSS. I am sorry that you apparently feel reluctant to call to task Democrats but are more than willing to call Republicans to task. Talk about politicizing the issue: pot meet kettle.

Ishii

 

[HailStarofSea]

In other words, no, you don’t want to address my point. I would say that an undelying racism which motivates liberals to want to put abortion clinics in inner cities where “people of color” live is a racism that needs to be discussed more urgently than a supposed link between longetivity and “stress” due to racism or criticizing supposed “token” picks of the GOP. You are focussing on the wrong kind of racism, HSS. I am sorry that you apparently feel reluctant to call to task Democrats but are more than willing to call Republicans to task. Talk about politicizing the issue: pot meet kettle.

Ishii

So you are telling me not to disagree with you? You are telling me that you are comfortable spending pages and pages of posts advocating your views on racism, but I should shut up if I disagree. No, if you make a statement, be prepared to retract it if it disagrees with church teaching. And if you hold a view that only some issues should be discussed and others should not, then please feel free to lead by example. Simply do not make posts on anything related to race unless it is related to abortion!

Tokenism in the GOP is important, because this is a thread about Rubio’s endorsement of Romney, and he’s not a good VP candidate. He will make it more likely that Romney will lose, which would set the pro-life agenda back. Who would be more supportive of the pro-life agenda in 2008? The one who told McCain (BEFORE) he made the pick that Palin would be a horrible choice so he could make another or the one who enthusiastically supported it and held a pity party for McCain after he lost the election. Sorry, we disagree strongly on the wisdom of Rubio as a VP pick, and he hasn’t yet been chosen so there is nothing immoral about pointing out the folly of his pick.

Discuss your point? Are you a Democrat that I must call you to task? If you think this issue needs to be discussed, why didn’t you bring it up with CMatt25, an actual Democrat or discuss it when I first mentioned it. I am sorry that you are choosing to see this issue primarily as your reason to shut down discussion on other forms of racism, and that you think it is okay to make many offensive statements as long as you can say they aren’t important. This bishops were able to condemn race related abortion disparities without saying that other forms of racism were unimportant and made no offensive statements in the process.

 

[ishii]

So you are telling me not to disagree with you? You are telling me that you are comfortable spending pages and pages of posts advocating your views on racism, but I should shut up if I disagree. No, if you make a statement, be prepared to retract it if it disagrees with church teaching. And if you hold a view that only some issues should be discussed and others should not, then please feel free to lead by example. Simply do not make posts on anything related to race unless it is related to abortion!

Tokenism in the GOP is important, because this is a thread about Rubio’s endorsement of Romney, and he’s not a good VP candidate. He will make it more likely that Romney will lose, which would set the pro-life agenda back. Who would be more supportive of the pro-life agenda in 2008? The one who told McCain (BEFORE) he made the pick that Palin would be a horrible choice so he could make another or the one who enthusiastically supported it and held a pity party for McCain after he lost the election. Sorry, we disagree strongly on the wisdom of Rubio as a VP pick, and he hasn’t yet been chosen so there is nothing immoral about pointing out the folly of his pick.

Discuss your point? Are you a Democrat that I must call you to task? If you think this issue needs to be discussed, why didn’t you bring it up with CMatt25, an actual Democrat or discuss it when I first mentioned it. I am sorry that you are choosing to see this issue primarily as your reason to shut down discussion on other forms of racism, and that you think it is okay to make many offensive statements as long as you can say they aren’t important. This bishops were able to condemn race related abortion disparities without saying that other forms of racism were unimportant and made no offensive statements in the process.

I think Rubio would be a great vice presidential candidate - he’d help Romney win Florida and might even help with the hispanic vote (but being Cuban he might not help as much as a hispanic of Mexican origin or some other country). I have no problem with you disagreeing HSS, but you never address the points I make - you ignore them. That is not a conversation. Its not shutting down a discussion be merely asking you to speak to my points instead of ignoring them. Sorry HSS, I do not accept your one-sided terms of discussion and your overwrought posts are becoming monotonous.

Ishii

 

[HailStarofSea]

I think Rubio would be a great vice presidential candidate - he’d help Romney win Florida and might even help with the hispanic vote (but being Cuban he might not help as much as a hispanic of Mexican origin or some other country). I have no problem with you disagreeing HSS, but you never address the points I make - you ignore them. That is not a conversation. Its not shutting down a discussion be merely asking you to speak to my points instead of ignoring them. Sorry HSS, I do not accept your one-sided terms of discussion and your overwrought posts are becoming monotonous.

Ishii

If you want replies to topics that you are interested in discussing, then stop distracting the conversation with unethical attacks on people who are against racism. In addition, don’t post gotcha questions. You asked a question on “is there a double standard for GOP women and people of color”, and then when I replied to it, you criticized me for focusing on GOP people of color. If that is your criticism, what is the point of the question? This thread is 15 pages long and most of it is between us so obviously someone is responding to someone here. Issues, such as racial disparities in abortion, are demeaned when they are seen simply as a way to deflect legitimate criticism.

Have any evidence that Rubio will help with the Hispanic vote? Gov. Susana Martinez won less of the Hispanic vote in Texas than Gov. Gary Johnson (a white male Republican). Rubio gets equal Hispanic vote in Florida (55%) than Jeb Bush (56% Hispanic and 80% Cuban) so what evidence is there that he will help with the non-Cuban Hispanic national population? They surveyed Romney with different VP’s, including Rubio and Jeb Bush, among the Hispanic population. Jeb Bush helps Romney more than Rubio. publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/04/obama-leads-gop-field-in-florida.html The best way to get the Hispanic vote is to expand the big tent, as Jeb Bush advocates. Jeb Bush isn’t criticizing blacks for focusing on diversity. He is doing the same. “Throughout his two administrations, Bush’s office touted his record of non-discrimination and rewarding merit, claiming he employed highly qualified women, blacks and other minorities more often in top-level government positions than any previous Florida Governor.”

It is unreasonable to expect that Rubio will help get America’s financial house in order because he has been plagued with financial problems, and almost foreclosed on his house after missing 5 months of mortgage payments as well as has been investigated by the IRS and FBI for credit card issues.

 

[ishii]

Have any evidence that Rubio will help with the Hispanic vote? Gov. Susana Martinez won less of the Hispanic vote in Texas than Gov. Gary Johnson (a white male Republican). Rubio gets equal Hispanic vote in Florida (55%) than Jeb Bush (56% Hispanic and 80% Cuban) so what evidence is there that he will help with the non-Cuban Hispanic national population? They surveyed Romney with different VP’s, including Rubio and Jeb Bush, among the Hispanic population. Jeb Bush helps Romney more than Rubio. publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/04/obama-leads-gop-field-in-florida.html The best way to get the Hispanic vote is to expand the big tent, as Jeb Bush advocates. Jeb Bush isn’t criticizing blacks for focusing on diversity. He is doing the same. “Throughout his two administrations, Bush’s office touted his record of non-discrimination and rewarding merit, claiming he employed highly qualified women, blacks and other minorities more often in top-level government positions than any previous Florida Governor.”

I am not for Rubio because he is Hispanic, but because he’s conservative. The polls might not show Rubio helping with the hispanic vote now, but I don’t think that its a stretch to say that once the campaign gets going after the conventions are over - if the ticket is Romney-Rubio- then hispanics might be more inclined to vote for the ticket - more than the polls suggest now. Big difference between asking “would you hypothetically” support a Romney-Rubio ticket and “do you” support the Romney-Rubio ticket. I like Jeb Bush too - unfortunately he has the wrong last name. Obama blames Bush for all his failures as president, and having a Romney-Bush ticket would make it that much easier to make the election not about his failures but about “do we want a 3rd Bush dyanasty” or some such.

It is unreasonable to expect that Rubio will help get America's financial house in order because he has been plagued with financial problems, and almost foreclosed on his house after missing 5 months of mortgage payments as well as has been investigated by the IRS and FBI for credit card issues.

Yes, Rubio has gotten into some financial troubles - party due to the falling housing prices. I have no doubt in his ability to pay his bills and strongly believe that he is a an excellent spokesman for the point of view that the govt. needs to quite spending more than it takes in. Should his financial troubles count him out? I haven’t heard too much talk of that - except among those who are dead set against Rubio as VP. Of course the Democrats would try to make an issue of it - anything to deflect their failures.

Ishii

 

[HailStarofSea]

Romney is not trustworthy to restore America’s economic future.

Romney adviser Eric Fehrnstrom is not overly concerned, though. On Wednesday, he expressed confidence the campaign would hit the “reset button” after the nomination and redraw Romney as a moderate candidate.

“Everything changes,” he explained on CNN, “It’s almost like an Etch A Sketch. You can kind of shake it up and we start all over again.”

America’s financial future will not be restored simply by changing presidents. The economy crashed during President Bush’s time as he continued the tradition of spending. McCain said the “fundamentals of our economy are strong” which is obviously untrue.

Romney thought Obama’s stimulus would “accelerate the timing of the start of the recovery.” He supports ethanol subsidies that are opposed both by the bishops and by Tom Sowell, who you obviously like so much.

It takes guts to tell people in a corn-producing state like Iowa that you want to cut back on ethanol subsidies, because Iowa will also produce the first results in next year’s primary campaign season.

nationalreview.com/articles/269500/pawlenty-plenty-thomas-sowell Romney supports what is politically convenient, and we need someone strong enough to implement necessary reforms in ADDITION to someone who can play politics.

 

[HailStarofSea]

I am not for Rubio because he is Hispanic, but because he’s conservative. The polls might not show Rubio helping with the hispanic vote now, but I don’t think that its a stretch to say that once the campaign gets going after the conventions are over - if the ticket is Romney-Rubio- then hispanics might be more inclined to vote for the ticket - more than the polls suggest now. Big difference between asking “would you hypothetically” support a Romney-Rubio ticket and “do you” support the Romney-Rubio ticket. I like Jeb Bush too - unfortunately he has the wrong last name. Obama blames Bush for all his failures as president, and having a Romney-Bush ticket would make it that much easier to make the election not about his failures but about “do we want a 3rd Bush dyanasty” or some such.

The fact that Bush does better than Rubio doesn’t mean he should be VP. It just means there is no evidence, except for the Sarah Palin sort of gamble that you supported before, that he will help with any vote. You just said that you thought Rubio will help with Florida and the Hispanic national population so if you are for him for some reason other than the fact that he is Hispanic, you should point it out. Florida is only one of 12-15 swing states so that isn’t enough in his favor.

Yes, Rubio has gotten into some financial troubles - party due to the falling housing prices. I have no doubt in his ability to pay his bills and strongly believe that he is a an excellent spokesman for the point of view that the govt. needs to quite spending more than it takes in. Should his financial troubles count him out? I haven’t heard too much talk of that - except among those who are dead set against Rubio as VP. Of course the Democrats would try to make an issue of it - anything to deflect their failures.

Ishii

As stated before, who is the real supporter of the unborn, the cheerleader for Sarah Palin or the one who pointed out that she would be a bad pick Should judge statements by their merits, not by who says them. Abraham Lincoln staffed his cabinet with enemies, because he valued the truth so much and not just sycophants. The falling housing prices are not irrelevant. The only issues that Romney wins on are the deficit and Iran. people-press.org/2012/04/17/with-voters-focused-on-economy-obama-lead-narrows/ Romney needs to show people why they should care about the deficit; people who don’t care about this do not understand that it is the deficits that we run that lead to our economic collapse. Lehmann Brother’s bankruptcy was caused by the** housing bubble** caused by spending beyond one’s means which led to a flood of bankruptcies, which led the banks and other financial institutions to bankruptcies themselves. The economic stimulus was more of the same irresponsibility, committed by the government and not people. Without fixing the deficit, any economic improvement is only a bubble. The 2010 voters were won by a switch in independents. foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/03/women-independent-voters-biggest-swing/ Women went from 56% DNC, 42% GOP to 49% DNC, 48% GOP, which was enough for the GOP to win.

Likewise, independent voters supported Democrats 51 percent of the time compared to 43 percent of the time for Republicans in 2008. But in 2010, the Democrats garnered only 39 percent of the independent vote compared to 55 percent for the GOP.

Read more: foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/03/women-independent-voters-biggest-swing/#ixzz1u2o8MIUo

**Voter Anger is Building Over the Deficits** back in Nov. 2009, this anger needs to be increased, not diverted. [online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703499404574557571615004170.html](http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703499404574557571615004170.html)

 

[ishii]

Romney is not trustworthy to restore America’s economic future.

America’s financial future will not be restored simply by changing presidents. The economy crashed during President Bush’s time as he continued the tradition of spending. McCain said the “fundamentals of our economy are strong” which is obviously untrue.

Romney thought Obama’s stimulus would “accelerate the timing of the start of the recovery.” He supports ethanol subsidies that are opposed both by the bishops and by Tom Sowell, who you obviously like so much. nationalreview.com/articles/269500/pawlenty-plenty-thomas-sowell Romney supports what is politically convenient, and we need someone strong enough to implement necessary reforms in ADDITION to someone who can play politics.

All good points, HSS. That is why we need not just Romney elected president (instead of Obama) but also a conservative majority in the House and Senate to keep him honest. As Senator Tom Coburn said recently, if the GOP wins the presidency and the congress, and they govern business as usual and kick the can down the field, and don’t pass fiscal reforms, then they will lose the next elections and probably the support of a lot of conservatives. On the other hand, they could make a lot of progress and gain support. We will see how the Republicans stand up to the demogogery and smears from liberals and Democrat when they try to enact fiscal reforms and overturn Roe V Wade.

Ishii

 

[HailStarofSea]

All good points, HSS. That is why we need not just Romney elected president (instead of Obama) but also a conservative majority in the House and Senate to keep him honest. As Senator Tom Coburn said recently, if the GOP wins the presidency and the congress, and they govern business as usual and kick the can down the field, and don’t pass fiscal reforms, then they will lose the next elections and probably the support of a lot of conservatives. On the other hand, they could make a lot of progress and gain support. We will see how the Republicans stand up to the demogogery and smears from liberals and Democrat when they try to enact fiscal reforms and overturn Roe V Wade.

Ishii

My point is that it is not enough to just elect conservatives. Romney’s VP pick should be someone who can be trusted to implement economic reforms. Otherwise, it is marginally better, but really musical chairs. As Catholics, the most important thing is prayer.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

My point is that it is not enough to just elect conservatives. Romney’s VP pick should be someone who can be trusted to implement economic reforms. Otherwise, it is marginally better, but really musical chairs. As Catholics, the most important thing is prayer.

Bob McDonnell. He has done a fantastic job in Virginia. It took him less than a year to clean up the mess left by Mark Warner and Tim Kaine (who is now running for Senate in VA against George Allen).