Rude comments people make about those on public assistance

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If she lied, I hope you reported her. There are means of punishing those who lie on these forms, but undermanned agencies need your help to get the cheats.
That’s almost the worse part. I reported her once I had proof 6 months later. All they did was notify her and ask her to “update” her financials. She did, and the benefits stopped. But she made several thousand dollars off the govt in the process with no ramifications.
 
Also, I have one easy suggestion that will save you loads of grief: Never read news article comments. There you will find the worst in humanity. Don’t expose yourself to it!
This is true! I really can’t stress this enough. It seems like people are at their absolute worst in the comments sections of news articles. Especially political ones. You shouldn’t cause yourself unnecessary stress with people like that.
 
i was encouraged for over a year to seek disability. finally i did it and was approved. i got a job the same day i was approved! i really just wanted the medical and that is all i have right now plus the food stamps. my job closed and i am currently on unemployment and just hoping to be able to make rent. this is the hardest month just before my guy goes back to work on the school bus. i absolutely HAVE to take my meds daily or my functioning will go down. i’m a very bad diabetic and have a personality disorder that can make me very self destructive.
i have a strong work ethic. i recently got some part time work that will increase with the school year. i’m currently looking for something better matching my qualifications. i pay for cable because i need to be able to communicate and know what is going on in the world in order to make contact with jobs in my field. especially since i’m trying to find work on the other end of the state closer to my family.
i do know that people abuse the system. i see people at public aid with nice cars and iphones. i know a man who prefers begging in the streets to meeting the work requirement for aid for his woman and their baby.😦
its very hard to get out from under. i keep trying. i don’t want to be dependent on the state. but without those food stamps and medicaid i would be lost. and my love has been working for about three years. i got him the job. he hadn’t worked for the ten years prior! he knew i wouldn’t have him if he refused to work. i know that this has helped his self esteem so much.
 
3Doctors,
Hi 🙂

You know, I was cery vocal in my opposition to “illegal immigration” some time back, but a discussion I had caused me to realize that Inwas angry not at the illegal immigrants themselves, but at the system our government has set up.

It is the same way with the safety net. OK, I am not happy with those who abuse the system, but as another poster said, there but for the grace of God…

But the system!!!

First if all, of the tax dollars we pay in which are allocated to the safety net, over 70% goes to what in a charity would be called adminstration costs. Poor people actually only get less than 30%!!! :slow burn:

Second, the system is set up in a way that makes it difficult to get off. That is unconscionable.

Third, the system is set up in many ways to enable. For example, there are houses nearby which are Section 8. The landlord comes and mows the lawn every week. This is included in the rent, so we are paying for people on welfare who have teenage sons to have their lawns mowed instead of their sons (or daughters! I traded chores with my brother so I could mow rhe lawn.) doing it. (Altho I think they may have made it a rule that teens can’t mow lawns for money anymore?)

And I bet the cable and internet is also paid for by the landlord and is included in the rent which is in part paid for by us taxpayers (Section 8 is sliding scale.).

Related to the enabling is of course the disincentivizing of fatherhood, which ought to be a crime instead of government policy.

All that being said, I think that if a lot of people were to think of it, their anger would be more appropriately directed to the government system rather than to those who need the help. It is such a shame, because in between the 70% admin costs and the small percentage of those who are abusing the system, and those who can’t get off because they’d fall into the gap, if all those things were taken care of, then we’d be able to help a lot of people who really need help!!! Just because someone doesn’t have children doesn’t mean they don’t need help!
 
When our governor was campaigning for office, he remarked that people who received unemployment compensation were not interested in finding jobs.

It irked me because of a family member who had been unemployed and underemployed for about two years at that point yet was constantly looking for work, taking temp contract work, part time retail jobs, etc. (she’s o.k. now–fully employed).

Yet, we know there are people who simply don’t care enough to try to get themselves out of bad situations. I work with a woman whose brother has 7 out-of-wedlock children by five or six different women. He bears no responsibility for any of them, their mothers’ lives are wrecks, and they all depend on and expect other people to take care of them.

Just my random 2¢. 🤷
 
One thing that many people don’t get is that the majority of people on assistance are on it short-term. People who have fallen on hard times might still look a lot better off. Take my own situation - I’m young and come from an upper middle class family. I’ve had some pretty serious mental health issues that flared up in the middle of graduate school, and my mother’s harassment makes them enough worse that going home was never an option.

But what does it look like if I walk into an assistance office? I’m young and appear physically healthy (despite actually being somewhat underweight from stress). I may be wearing designer jeans and a nice top that my family bought me 3 years back - or the sturdy designer skirt I found at Goodwill for $10 and repaired. I’ve got my smartphone from the same source - I can’t be without a cell because rental places no longer come with landlines, and it’s not economical to downgrade due to contracts.

Of course I got turned down because (1) I’m really trying to stay in school, which apparently made me ineligible despite not being able to manage more than a few hours a week out of the house, (2) my family kept saying they would help out but then never did, (3) I wanted to be able to keep enough money in the bank to be able to pack up and move if I needed to, but that put me over the asset limit, and (4) I couldn’t afford the medical documentation they wanted. In a way, my whole impression of the system around here was that it was designed to keep people dependent, blocking off both education and savings for anyone receiving aid.
 
Obviously not everyone’s mothers DRILLED into their head 'There but for the grace of God go I."

I also find another one of my mothers DRILLINGS ***‘Don’t judge others - leave that to God’ ***— so if one person on disability ‘deserves’ it - and another ‘just doesn’t want to work’ — well, that is not my job, and not mine to judge. (Unless they came right out and said 'you know, I could get a job, but I prefer disability - and then of course it isn’t a judgement - it is knowledge — OR unless I work as a case worker to review eligibility) – there is not enough I can know about another’s circumstances to make such a judgement - leaving that to God - and grateful for a mom who helped write the script that we raised our own children with. 🙂

To the OP - I am so sorry that people have been so hurtful - but since you know their opinion doesn’t really matter - and is more likely coming from a lack of understanding - I hope you don’t take it personally - God Bless
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Pope in Rio slum: Solidarity with the poor is not optional
He continued, “I would like to make an appeal to those in possession of greater resources, to public authorities and to all people of good will who are working for social justice: never tire of working for a more just world, marked by greater solidarity.”
The culture of selfishness and individualism that often prevails in our society is not what builds up and leads to a more habitable world: it is the culture of solidarity that does so.”
The other cannot be seen as a “rival” or a “statistic” he urged, but must be recognized instead as a brother or sister.
Pope Francis commended Brazil’s efforts to “integrate” the poorest among its people and added that “no amount of ‘peace-building’ will be able to last, nor will harmony and happiness be attained in a society that ignores, pushes to the margins or excludes a part of itself.”
When a nation excludes, ignores, or marginalizes any part of its population, “it loses something essential” and “simply impoverishes itself,” he taught.
 
Third, the system is set up in many ways to enable. For example, there are houses nearby which are Section 8. The landlord comes and mows the lawn every week. This is included in the rent, so we are paying for people on welfare who have teenage sons to have their lawns mowed instead of their sons (or daughters! I traded chores with my brother so I could mow rhe lawn.) doing it. (Altho I think they may have made it a rule that teens can’t mow lawns for money anymore?)

And I bet the cable and internet is also paid for by the landlord and is included in the rent which is in part paid for by us taxpayers (Section 8 is sliding scale.).

Related to the enabling is of course the disincentivizing of fatherhood, which ought to be a crime instead of government policy.
This is not entirely accurate. A Section 8 landlord may choose to mow the grass, but the landlord receives no more in rent from HUD than landlords who choose not to mow the lawns. The same may apply to cable and internet. He may use them as perks but at his own cost.

The real ripoff in the Section 8 program is how they price the rents. They use regional averages that tend to be much higher than regular rentals in neighborhoods where Section 8 properties typically are. For example in my area a Section 8 landlord with 2 bedroom apts gets $600 mth. However the apartments where they are located would only bring in $450 mth for paying tenants. Of course the argument is raised that Section 8 tenants are more destructive to property and the landlord needs the higher rents to compensate. That argument has some merit.

Another tragedy in the making is that HUD intends to inject its welfare tenants into each and every neighborhood in the US.
 
Obviously not everyone’s mothers DRILLED into their head 'There but for the grace of God go I."

I also find another one of my mothers DRILLINGS ***‘Don’t judge others - leave that to God’ ***— so if one person on disability ‘deserves’ it - and another ‘just doesn’t want to work’ — well, that is not my job, and not mine to judge. (Unless they came right out and said 'you know, I could get a job, but I prefer disability - and then of course it isn’t a judgement - it is knowledge — OR unless I work as a case worker to review eligibility) – there is not enough I can know about another’s circumstances to make such a judgement - leaving that to God - and grateful for a mom who helped write the script that we raised our own children with. 🙂

To the OP - I am so sorry that people have been so hurtful - but since you know their opinion doesn’t really matter - and is more likely coming from a lack of understanding - I hope you don’t take it personally - God Bless
The problem is the abuses of the system eventually come back to hurt those who actually need it. Many people don’t mind seeing their tax money used to help those who need it. They mind seeing it taken from thsoe hwo need to and used to help those who don’t.

The ability to support a welfare class is not limitless, and as such, some scrutiny is warranted and justified morally to ensure it is there for those who truly need the help of others.
 
Simple case of the 70% making the 30% look bad.
If you are implying that 70% of the people receiving any government assistance are scamming the system, then this statement is demeaning.

Probably a good example why the OP had to vent.
 
This is not entirely accurate. A Section 8 landlord may choose to mow the grass, but the landlord receives no more in rent from HUD than landlords who choose not to mow the lawns. The same may apply to cable and internet. He may use them as perks but at his own cost.

The real ripoff in the Section 8 program is how they price the rents. They use regional averages that tend to be much higher than regular rentals in neighborhoods where Section 8 properties typically are. For example in my area a Section 8 landlord with 2 bedroom apts gets $600 mth. However the apartments where they are located would only bring in $450 mth for paying tenants. Of course the argument is raised that Section 8 tenants are more destructive to property and the landlord needs the higher rents to compensate. That argument has some merit.

Another tragedy in the making is that HUD intends to inject its welfare tenants into each and every neighborhood in the US.
I’m not sure but what the regs about Section 8 might not differ by state, as I read about a completely different set-up in another state from what you describe. I don’t know much about the details in my own state, so you may be right.
 
Thank you so much those of you who made charitable comments.

I do know that a lot of the news site comments are infested with trolls and I do try to let it roll off my back, but now and then I still need to vent a little.

If I could sum up my earlier adult life, I see things I should have done differently. Hindsight is always 20-20. But when I look at the available options and remember my own mental states at the time, I wonder if, given the chance to do it over, I would have had the guts to choose the more anxiety-provoking yet more sensible options. It’s so hard to tell. 🤷
One thing that many people don’t get is that the majority of people on assistance are on it short-term. People who have fallen on hard times might still look a lot better off. Take my own situation - I’m young and come from an upper middle class family. I’ve had some pretty serious mental health issues that flared up in the middle of graduate school, and my mother’s harassment makes them enough worse that going home was never an option.

But what does it look like if I walk into an assistance office? I’m young and appear physically healthy (despite actually being somewhat underweight from stress). I may be wearing designer jeans and a nice top that my family bought me 3 years back - or the sturdy designer skirt I found at Goodwill for $10 and repaired. I’ve got my smartphone from the same source - I can’t be without a cell because rental places no longer come with landlines, and it’s not economical to downgrade due to contracts.

Of course I got turned down because (1) I’m really trying to stay in school, which apparently made me ineligible despite not being able to manage more than a few hours a week out of the house, (2) my family kept saying they would help out but then never did, (3) I wanted to be able to keep enough money in the bank to be able to pack up and move if I needed to, but that put me over the asset limit, and (4) I couldn’t afford the medical documentation they wanted. In a way, my whole impression of the system around here was that it was designed to keep people dependent, blocking off both education and savings for anyone receiving aid.
Our stories are so alike, as I said in another thread. One reason I didn’t want to apply back in my early 30s was that most people I knew who were on disability for psychiatric issues . . . how to put it delicately . . . did not present well. For a brief time when I was extremely depressed, a person I knew talked me into going to a community drop-in center. It was an okay place for those who comprised the majority of the clientele, namely those who had been released when state mental hospitals closed. Many of these were of subnormal intelligence, or had psychotic disorders (and the side effects of those strong meds they had to be on, which killed a cousin of mine by destroying her kidneys).

When I was at rock bottom I felt like, “Maybe I really do belong here.” 🤷 But there was another part of me that thought “Surely this is not where I belong - and I feel really bad for those who don’t have much more to look forward to, but if they’re happy here, more power to them.” It was a dilemma; I didn’t want to be snobbish or disloyal but I also was floundering. The question was finally resolved when one of the other clients acted abusively and I realized I needed to cut the ties with that place - and immediately felt better.

But anyway, that was my stereotype image for “people on disability for mental issues.” So I soldiered on with the anxiety and agoraphobia, and the (as yet undiagnosed) ADD and other things - all of which contradicted one another, so that if I found a job that accommodated one, the others would crop up like a Whack-A-Mole game. It’s good that I did, in the end, because I paid enough into the system to get on SSDI instead of SSI which is ridiculously impoverishing and a dead end.

BTW, some people with serious mental disorders who use street drugs, alcohol, or tobacco are attempting to self-medicate. Just sayin’.
 
BTW, some people with serious mental disorders who use street drugs, alcohol, or tobacco are attempting to self-medicate. Just sayin’.
I am a paramedic and see a lot of people who abuse alcohol, or drugs. I know that none of them grew up with that being a goal. We cannot judge another, especially those whose footsteps we have not walked in.
 
I am a paramedic and see a lot of people who abuse alcohol, or drugs. I know that none of them grew up with that being a goal. We cannot judge another, especially those whose footsteps we have not walked in.
And it is impossible to really walk in another’s footsteps - two people may appear to be at the same place - yet have come a very different path - so much is not obvious, so much pain is hidden in people.

This is not to say that as responsible citizens we should not strive to reduce abuse of a safety net, and to empower people - yet for my tax dollar I would rather someone who didn’t ‘really need’ help received it rather than that someone who needed help - did not.
 
And rightly so. The problem is, the anger is often expressed, (even if not directed), to those who legitimately need the assistance. I certainly wouldn’t want them to lose their benefits because someone else is misusing them (and I don’t think anyone else wants that, either).
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Agreed. Some people are in dire need of assistance and I wish them the best. But others use the safety net as a hammock.
One example. My former roommates, who were beyond unkind.
(Not ‘allowing’ me to use water, et al…)

She: Bi polar, so that’s understandable. She has been advised that she could work a few hours a week as part of her treatment and get a few extra dollars a month, since her moods/meds have stabilized. “Why should I bother?” she says. She gets out of her chair three nights a week; One night to buy pot and smoke with the host, another to see mum, another to gamble and smoke pot. She otherwise sits **all **day.This in addition to smoking all day, all kinds. I do not begrudge her public assisance. I am disconcerted that she negates her mental health by smoking herself into oblivion 24/7

He: Pretty much same as above. She probably pushed him into getting disability so her slave would be there for her all the time, to do her bidding. So he did. Claim was back issues. Yet he could physically pick up and throw two men out of his way. Twice.

Sheesh.
 
And it is impossible to really walk in another’s footsteps - two people may appear to be at the same place - yet have come a very different path - so much is not obvious, so much pain is hidden in people.

This is not to say that as responsible citizens we should not strive to reduce abuse of a safety net, and to empower people - yet for my tax dollar I would rather someone who didn’t ‘really need’ help received it rather than that someone who needed help - did not.
I agree.

I know the Holy Father, the same as Christ, would be against deceit, to obtain aid not needed; however, nowhere do they speak to overcome those obstacles first, then fulfill our obligation to those in need.

Christ did not qualify giving, except to say give more than one asks of us.
 
The real ripoff in the Section 8 program is how they price the rents. They use regional averages that tend to be much higher than regular rentals in neighborhoods where Section 8 properties typically are. For example in my area a Section 8 landlord with 2 bedroom apts gets $600 mth. However the apartments where they are located would only bring in $450 mth for paying tenants. Of course the argument is raised that Section 8 tenants are more destructive to property and the landlord needs the higher rents to compensate. That argument has some merit.
My best friend and her husband bought a a foreclosed house to renovate and sell, then the housing market crashed. They rented it and a lot of trouble getting regular rent from tenants and had to go through the long process of eviction regularly even with background checks they had done before hand. Then they went with section 8 housing because it guaranteed regular rent payments since they came directly from the government. You are absolutely right to say these tenants are more destructive. They have had to do huge repairs after tenants moved out and one had horrible infestation of bed bugs. This tenant chose to move because of the bed bugs and took her bed, sofa etc before my friend had the extermination done which means she took bed bugs with her and will now infest the next place. :rolleyes:
 
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