Rules for debating a sola scriptura Christian

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I’m debating with another ,“sola scriptura Christian.” They keep moving the goal post. I would like to establish some rules for debate otherwise I feel like I’m wasting my time. I know Karl Keating mentioned some rules for debating in his book Catholicism and Fundamentalist: The Attack on “Romanism” by “Bible Christians”. I loaned mine out and never got it back.
Does anyone have that book? Could you post the rules here?
If there is anyone else who can lay down some rules of engagement. I would appreciate it.
 
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If there is a “sola” to believe in, it might be “sola precatio” “orationis solus” or similar (prayer alone). Snce conversation seems unavoidable, best to prepare ahead of time with prayer. However, that foundational question (#1) is maybe the one question that should be asked.

Oh, and give a copy of Where We Got The Bible by Rev. Henry Graham.


Then, you can advise your counterpart that you were convicted in your conscience that the Catholic Church was true - this despite the certain level of truth which your friend possesses. We plant seeds - we do not convert. That is the job of the Holy Spirit, and He convicts and converts on His own schedule.
 
You can establish and adhere to a millions rules of the debate, however, until you establish under what authority your/their interpretation of these scriptures is the correct interpretation, the rules are senseless.

Peace!!!
 
Usually I don’t bother because of so little time. However, I thought maybe it would be a good idea to use e-mail instead of talking face to face. But, they always seem to jump from one topic or another like they are trying to avoid the topic we started with.
Somehow we have to agree to stay on topic as rule #1
 
authority your/their interpretation of these scriptures is the correct interpretation, the rules are senseless.
Yes this is true. They don’t even have all the books of the bible since Martin Luther conveniently removed them.
 
Snce conversation seems unavoidable, best to prepare ahead of time with prayer.
This is a good reminder. Prayer is the #1 source for illuminating the what can be said when discussing the bible and truth. I couldn’t function without it.
 
I have this book, but it’s been a while since I dipped into it. I don’t recall any list of rules, but (as I recall) the ‘Afterword’ does contain suggestions on how to approach fundamentalists. I’m away from home until tomorrow. On my return - God willing - I’ll see what I can find, and write it out for you.
 
I’ll see what I can find, and write it out for you.
Thanks.
Seems logical that we would have a standard approach and apologist training that would be a reference for Catholics.
 
Thanks.
Seems logical that we would have a standard approach and apologist training that would be a reference for Catholics.
As I recall, Keating writes that fundamentalists have the notion that they really do understand what the Church teaches, and that this teaching is wrong. They attempt to prove this from the Bible. What Catholics need to do, first of all, is to demonstrate that fundamentalist notions of the Church (of Catholic dogma) are wrong. In short, that they are attacking a phantom of their own creation (his ideas are coming back to me, as I write!).

They need to be told what the Church truly does teach…and why she does so…her justifications - biblical and historical - if you like. And the debate must not be allowed to drift into their fantasy world (into goal-post changing mode). Anyway, I must leave it for now, but the old brain is telling me that I’ve just about got Keating right.
 
Common sense goes a long way.
The bible was written and compiled by human beings in human words, correct? Before you had a bible you had people. Who were they, how were they connected, how did they cooperate with one another?
If you run into folks who refuse to explore this you are working uphill.
 
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authority your/their interpretation of these scriptures is the correct interpretation, the rules are senseless.
Well im not sure i would go so far as to say Martin Luther took them out as his translation had them and others in it, but i would say he, Luther, certainly had a big influence in the subsequent removal of them.

Peace!!!
 
My experience is Sola Scriptura people invariably have a template in mind, and often provided to them in writing. The approach is they ask a question about life, then find an answer in this Epistle for instance.

But that triggers another question, which they answer from another NT book. One problem is how do you know this particular verse is interpreted correctly? One may look at “context” but does this verse go with the verses before, or after? Often the context is some passage in another book.

The other problem is how do we know which verse applies, to a given topic. The sola Scriptura person is following his template, not Scripture itself.

Try to get the person to look directly at Sola Scriptura itself, rather than using it as the lens to view everything else. Usually they have never looked at the template, at the SS lens itself.
 
Thanks.
Seems logical that we would have a standard approach and apologist training that would be a reference for Catholics.
Good morning.

Here is the relevant passage I referred to:

‘The committed fundamentalist, who is often a former Catholic, knows the Catholic religion is wrong and thinks he can prove it from the Bible. The first step is to demonstrate to him that much of what he knows simply is not so. Emotional barriers will be overcome later, and they will fall as he realizes he has not been told the whole story. Glad-handing alone will not suffice; in fact, it is often counterproductive. The fundamentalist wants Catholics to discuss doctrines, and when they do not — when when they deliberately shy away from even trying — he concludes their doctrinal beliefs are groundless, and the indictment against Rome seems rock solid.

‘Although it is essential to treat fundamentalists with respect and love (especially difficult for those too quick with jabs, whether verbal or pugilistic), that is hardly sufficient and will resolve no confusions and produce no converts. Fundamentalists must be approached on the level of doctrine, which means making biblical (but also historical and other) arguments. It has been on the level of doctrine that the fundamentalist challenge to the Church has found its power. This power lies not in the objective truth of the fundamentalist position, which is a mixture of truth and error, but in fundamentalism’s insistence that truth really matters, that one’s salvation depends on accepting God’s truth in its entirety, in all its consequences. People find this intellectually challenging and immensely attractive — and not just attractive, but compelling, for who says A must say B.

‘If Catholics expect to answer fundamentalism, they will have to answer it not just with charity – necessary, although hardly sufficient – but with doctrine. They will have to appeal not just to the heart but to the intellect. After all, it is the truth that sets us free.’

I hope this helps.
 
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I do use historical and cultural contrast when talking to the fundamentalists. It is hard to recall most of it at the moment when it corresponds to the topic.
 
Emotional barriers will be overcome later, and they will fall as he realizes he has not been told the whole story.
Great. Thanks for the info.
I will have to organize this entire post as a reference.
I encounter the emotional barriers every time. I think there is an art to how we establish communication while conveying the doctrine of the Church.
 
Great. Thanks for the info.
I will have to organize this entire post as a reference.
I encounter the emotional barriers every time. I think there is an art to how we establish communication while conveying the doctrine of the Church.
You’re very welcome.

I remember- a great many years ago - having a series of discussions with a lad from Glasgow, a Protestant with a violent hatred of the Church (there was great animosity between Catholics and Protestants in that city at that time). It soon became obvious that he hated, not the Church as she is, but what he imagined her to be…the lies about her that had become his reality. One day, after several meetings, he approached me in tears, admitting his mistakes and regretting his behaviour. We lost touch very soon after. This exchange of ours has brought him to mind again…with the renewed hope that he enjoys peace in his heart to this day.

May God bless you in your endeavours on His behalf.
 
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