Russia and homosexuals

[kozlosap]

You obviously know nothing about it.

But no wonder. Your views seem to have long been that of a religious extremist based on your posts on this forum.

1. The antilaw is unconstitutional. It directly contradicts the Russian Constitution.

But we shouldn’t really be surprised. The criminal kingpin Putin and his gang have been violating The Constitution for a very long time on different matters.

1. The law is anti-scientific. Health care professionals, psychologists, scientists were against this law as it doesn’t have any scientific grounds and presents a clear danger to LGBT youth (not only by this wave of violence mentioned

above) + no such thing as propaganga of a biological trait exists

3)The antilaw violates the Universal Declaration Of Human Rights

1. The antilaw was lobbied by the totalitarian orthodox cult chosen by international and federal criminal Putin as the new-old Ministry Of Truth.He wants to turn Russia into a bloody mix of the Northern Korea and Iran because only under
   this regime he may have a chance not to end his life executed by the Russian tribunal for his crimes when the time has come.
   And was enacted not for protection of children but as a next response to Magnitsky list. Deputies that voted for this antilaw also voted for antiorphan law before that
2. Deputies who voted for this antilaw are members of a criminal organization lead by Putin.They talk about orthodox faith, patriotism yet they keep stolen Russian millions in the Western banks,they buy mansions in the West, they send
   their children to live and study there, where human rights and freedoms are protected,and never come back.

6)The antilaw as it is put on paper reeks of Nazism declaring millions of people “socially inferior” to their fellow brothers and sisters based on a biological trait.

Although Article 282 of the The Russian Criminal Code should protect LGBT as a social group it does not thanx to corrupted courts.

And we have people of power and status saying such things as:

Oleg Betin, United Russia,the governor of Tombov calling publicly for a hideous act of genocide agaisnt millions of Russians in the most horrible way: "Tolerance? To hell! Faggots must be torn apart and their pieces should be thrown in

the wind"

“The Purtin’s court” found nothing wrong with that.

Father-Superior Sergey Ribko, a prominent figure in the Russian orthodox Church responding to pogroms of gay clubs: " I understand why the Russians did what they did.
The Holy Scripture calls for stoning of gays. Until the day comes when these scums leave Russia for good I wholeheartedly share the views of the ones who try to purge them out from our Motherland.
Unfortunately I, as a priest, can’t take part in pogroms" The Church has never condemned his comments.

Violence, persecution and other horrors are on the rise after antilaw was enacted.
Police arrest peaceful demonstrators instead of the ones who attack them violently, throw faeces and whatnot at them - thugs, neo nazis, religious extremists.They all got the greenlight to do what they please.

You know nothing of this antilaw and the situation in Russia

Thanks for the insight into the real laws! That any true Catholic or American for that matter believes that what Putin is doing for political gain is righteous, is sad, to say the least. Maybe next will be yellow armbands with rainbows on them…

 

[Snowball7]

I would strongly suggest this excellent documentary which I saw on PBS
a few years ago… it’s called “For God, Tsar, and Fatherland” -
if you are serious about understanding why the Russian people love Putin.
hulu.com/watch/69780

 

[andrewstx]

I’m not trying to make a point, sir. I just think the OP has a point. what can Catholics do to end violence against persons with SSA without appearing to support SSM? There is violence against many different groups of people, and none of it is ok! But I see many Christians who are afraid to stand up, for example, for young people getting beat up even if somethign just THINKS they are homosexual, because they’re afraid they will appear to be for gay rights. I think OP is worried that violence against homosexuals persons might increase now that aspects of the homosexual culture are illegal. Some people enjoy taking the law into their own hands, you see, and even though the law does not make homosexuality illegal, I think it is likely that some will see it that way, and feel righteous in “enforcing” that law in whatever way they see fit

I have no agenda and no real point to make. I just think it’s a hard tightrope to walk.

I think part of the problem lies with just some men and their stubborn Macho pride. Those few are so afraid of associated with ‘them’ that they join into the parade of derision. Their was a gay murdered by two “macho men” in the local city of Midland and they only had their hands slapped.

If homosexuals are so weak and effeminate why does it take two “macho men” to kill one of them?

Welcome to CAF Corie, I live in West Texas as well, in Andrews.

 

[SeanOlynn]

Sir, I never understand your posts because I don’t understand your English Grammar, nor have I been able to tell what the point of any of your posts are.

That’s not all you don’t seem to understand: this wasn’t a simple case of homosexual bashing, the people attacked were those promoting perverted sexuality in a public place where young children could have been exposed to that filth, forcing this stuff onto others. It’s quite usual for there to be trouble when someone behaves in a vulgar manner in public; the reason there is little reaction to homosexual propagandising in the west is because people have been conditioned to accept that sort of stuff

 

[SeanOlynn]

1. The antilaw is unconstitutional. It directly contradicts the Russian Constitution.

Show me a state that doesn’t have unconstitutional legal rulings; not that I believe this is unconstitutional

The criminal kingpin Putin

the stealing of public funds in the west makes Putin look like an amateurs

1. The law is anti-scientific. Health care professionals, psychologists, scientists were against this law as it doesn’t have any scientific grounds and presents a clear danger to LGBT youth (not only by this wave of violence mentioned above) + no such thing as propaganga of a biological trait exists

Psychology/health care are relatively soft sciences and littered with quacks.

Identical twin studies refute that homosexuality is a biological trait.

Science isn’t required here anyway, just common sense -homosexuals don’t require or merit special rights.

 

[CorieDreams]

That’s not all you don’t seem to understand: this wasn’t a simple case of homosexual bashing, the people attacked were those promoting perverted sexuality in a public place where young children could have been exposed to that filth, forcing this stuff onto others. It’s quite usual for there to be trouble when someone behaves in a vulgar manner in public; the reason there is little reaction to homosexual propagandising in the west is because people have been conditioned to accept that sort of stuff

I DONT GIVE A RATS BEHIND ABOUT THIS LAW

I DONT

I don’t care if we’re talking about Russia, or the US, or Brittain, or Uganda.

What I CARE ABOUTis the staement this threadwas STARTED ON. HOW can we, as Christians, make a strong stand against violence against hmosexual persons without appearing to support their choices? I must have made that statement three times in thisthread, but you all seem to be too caught up with defending thoseactionsor making it all about Christiansinstead. DISGUSTING

 

[SeanOlynn]

What I CARE ABOUTis the staement this threadwas STARTED ON. HOW can we, as Christians, make a strong stand against violence against hmosexual persons without appearing to support their choices?

The problem is that the statement ‘‘make a strong stand against violence against homosexual persons’’ doesn’t mean very much without considering the context in which the violence occurred. The op also provided that context, so its natural that’s what people assume is being discussed here.

 

[InSearchofGrace]

I DONT GIVE A RATS BEHIND ABOUT THIS LAW

I DONT

I don’t care if we’re talking about Russia, or the US, or Brittain, or Uganda.

What I CARE ABOUTis the staement this threadwas STARTED ON. HOW can we, as Christians, make a strong stand against violence against hmosexual persons without appearing to support their choices? I must have made that statement three times in thisthread, but you all seem to be too caught up with defending thoseactionsor making it all about Christiansinstead. DISGUSTING

If you are indeed a Catholic that is not the schismatic or dissident kind, you must have already come across the strongly worded Church teaching which we are obliged to heed, that no violence, malice or unjust discrimination should be directed at our homosexual brothers and sisters, that we should love and have compassion for them. At the same time, we are to regard homosexual acts as gravely sinful, and that we should not support or advocate for gay “marriage” and adoption of kids regardless that the gay movement and civil law are at odds with Church position.
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[Droning_Mary]

Don’t throw your pearls in front of swine. Dust yourself down and take sanctuary in the Truth. Russia has a very long separation from Roman Catholic teachings in both church and state and this has filtered down into its society. Just look how many times Putin has imprisoned political competitors and has changed the rules in Russia making him both president and prime-minister so many times that it would make you dizzy. Its orthodox church has a former KGB head as its friend and its orthodox church has openly acknowledged and has asked for forgiveness for collaboration and involvement in KGB matters. Russia claims to be democratic but it is still a very young democracy with its new found freedoms. So CorieDreams, while you ask for ways to denounce violence while not wishing to support the gay lobby, you may fall on deaf ears due to all the shouting and deafening calls for more hate crimes very common in Russia and with other extreme opinions. But never give up the good fight for Truth told with love. Please pray for me a sinner x

I DONT GIVE A RATS BEHIND ABOUT THIS LAW

I DONT

I don’t care if we’re talking about Russia, or the US, or Brittain, or Uganda.

What I CARE ABOUTis the staement this threadwas STARTED ON. HOW can we, as Christians, make a strong stand against violence against hmosexual persons without appearing to support their choices? I must have made that statement three times in thisthread, but you all seem to be too caught up with defending thoseactionsor making it all about Christiansinstead. DISGUSTING

 

[SeanOlynn]

take sanctuary in the Truth.

Lets look at the truth shall we? Some individuals, in an act of provocation, engaged in a vulgar public display -promoting and celebrating the way they masturbate (one shouldn’t dignify what they get up to with the title of sex). Obviously this horrified the public and a few individuals decided to give the perpetrators a punch in the face, at which point the police stepped in, separated the two groups and removed the instigators from the scene, thus diffusing the whole situation. This reassures me law and order exists in Russia. Should the people who did the punching have been arrested? No, these were low grade assaults which were the result of provocation (and the police diffused the situations) -there would be little point in making a prosecution in these cases; people commonly get away with stuff like this all over the world; it should be unremarkable except that the people punched would constitute a favoured minority group in the west.

I suport President Putin in his efforts to protect the youth of Russia and promote faith in Christ.

 

[Droning_Mary]

Awh…Putin and for his supporters??? what a pity. I stick with the Pope and the Catholic Church that he has worked for. Pray for me a sinner x

 

[gsl2006]

I would strongly suggest this excellent documentary which I saw on PBS
a few years ago… it’s called “For God, Tsar, and Fatherland” -
if you are serious about understanding why the Russian people love Putin.
hulu.com/watch/69780

Thanks Snowball7, for the link. From Russia I read on their home page: Sorry, currently our video library can only be watched from within the United States

We are sorry, currently our video library can only be streamed within the United States.’

The net that divides.

Next, true Russian motto runs: For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland. There is very popular Russian female name Vera (Faith).

About the starting wording of this thread: violence against parading and exhibiting subjects.

Perhaps, it’s worth saying here that the first sex pride parade was held in…Russia, in the early '1920s, in Moscow, at Red Square, on May 1st, by the communists (Komintern).
It was organized by a certain Karl Radek, of Czech origin, one of the Komintern leaders.
It was not gay parade, just hundreds of altogether naked people celebrated their joy of absolute freedom.

Only the USA administration never allowed their citizen to work naked, parade naked before the White House, etc. It’s abhorrent and unheared! What the violence! Middle Ages!

 

[Droning_Mary]

I am not from the USA nor do I plead any politics except that of reason and faith but I really and honestly don’t understand a word that you guys write. My mother tongue is very rare and I ask you Russian guys and supporters of Putin to help me understand you more and use simple English?? Its very frustrating to read what you write but I never really understand a word. Help me understand you. Please? Thanks, please pray for me x

 

[J_Peterson]

Lets look at the truth shall we? Some individuals, in an act of provocation, engaged in a vulgar public display -promoting and celebrating the way they masturbate (one shouldn’t dignify what they get up to with the title of sex). Obviously this horrified the public and a few individuals decided to give the perpetrators a punch in the face, at which point the police stepped in, separated the two groups and removed the instigators from the scene, thus diffusing the whole situation. This reassures me law and order exists in Russia. Should the people who did the punching have been arrested? No, these were low grade assaults which were the result of provocation (and the police diffused the situations) -there would be little point in making a prosecution in these cases; people commonly get away with stuff like this all over the world; it should be unremarkable except that the people punched would constitute a favoured minority group in the west.

I suport President Putin in his efforts to protect the youth of Russia and promote faith in Christ.

So you support violence against gay rights activists?

 

[SeanOlynn]

So you support violence against gay rights activists?

How on earth did you come to that conclusion? Do I really have to state that there is no proof President Putin was involved in a few people being punched? The most likely explanation is this was an entirely spontaneous organic reaction, given the nature of the activism and the fact that foreigners were involved stirring up the trouble.

Some people need to get a grip: a few people got punched and the police moved in to calm things down, such incidents are not worth remarking.

 

[J_Peterson]

How on earth did you come to that conclusion? Do I really have to state that there is no proof President Putin was involved in a few people being punched? The most likely explanation is this was an entirely spontaneous organic reaction, given the nature of the activism and the fact that foreigners were involved stirring up the trouble.

Some people need to get a grip: a few people got punched and the police moved in to calm things down, such incidents are not worth remarking.

That’s violence and to write it off as nothing is, in my opinion, to say it’s okay. If it was any other group getting punched would you be dismissive of it?

Putin is not to blame for violence against gays but he is using an already existing predudice for his own gain (power, popularity, etc.). That is extrememly dangerous given the violence that gays already face in Russia.

 

[kozlosap]

That’s violence and to write it off as nothing is, in my opinion, to say it’s okay. If it was any other group getting punched would you be dismissive of it?

Putin is not to blame for violence against gays but he is using an already existing predudice for his own gain (power, popularity, etc.). That is extrememly dangerous given the violence that gays already face in Russia.

the main support for Putin’s new pogom against gays began in the rural areas of Russia. This whole “crackdown” is purely political, not moral.

 

[gsl2006]

I am not from the USA …] My mother tongue is very rare and I ask you Russian guys and supporters of Putin to help me understand you more and use simple English?? Its very frustrating to read what you write but I never really understand a word. Help me understand you. Please? Thanks, please pray for me x

I keep praying for you!

I am a parishoner at Roman Catholic St.Luis cathedral in Moscow, which was built (commissioned) in 1835, the construction was funded partly by French and Polish parishes in Moscow, partly and mostly by Russian government, the design work (as far as I know) was totally funded by Russian gov’t. In St.Petersbourg, Russia the Catholic churches are older. In Siberia, where many Catholic Poles served as the Russian Interior Ministry (police) officers and soldiers, the Roman Catholics sometimes were the first to build the wooden shrines (because the Russian Orthodox priests often used mobile altars or just organized a prayer corner in the office building). Don’t forget about the Jesuits who found, during the persecusion in the 17th century, the home in Russia, at the invitation of the Russian Empress (of German origin).

The rule in Russia was always this (for centuries up to 1917): you are free to naturalize under condition that you adopt the Russian Orthodox rite. With all negatives, it proved generally to be sustainable policy, for Greek Orthodox, for Ukrainian Uniates, for Roman Catholics, for Protestants, for Mulsims, for Jews, for Buddhists, etc. One Church One Emperor One People - do we all faithful aspire for different objective (you may replace the word ‘Emperor’ with ‘Government’)? There is no “teaching” about unresolvable difference between various Christian denominations.

In Christ,

PS my undestanding is that we are talking about people not about leaders

 

[Droning_Mary]

To Russia with love. Back to you later. x

I keep praying for you!

I am a parishoner at Roman Catholic St.Luis cathedral in Moscow, which was built (commissioned) in 1835, the construction was funded partly by French and Polish parishes in Moscow, partly and mostly by Russian government, the design work (as far as I know) was totally funded by Russian gov’t. In St.Petersbourg, Russia the Catholic churches are older. In Siberia, where many Catholic Poles served as the Russian Interior Ministry (police) officers and soldiers, the Roman Catholics sometimes were the first to build the wooden shrines (because the Russian Orthodox priests often used mobile altars or just organized a prayer corner in the office building). Don’t forget about the Jesuits who found, during the persecusion in the 17th century, the home in Russia, at the invitation of the Russian Empress (of German origin).

The rule in Russia was always this (for centuries up to 1917): you are free to naturalize under condition that you adopt the Russian Orthodox rite. With all negatives, it proved generally to be sustainable policy, for Greek Orthodox, for Ukrainian Uniates, for Roman Catholics, for Protestants, for Mulsims, for Jews, for Buddhists, etc. One Church One Emperor One People - do we all faithful aspire for different objective (you may replace the word ‘Emperor’ with ‘Government’)? There is no “teaching” about unresolvable difference between various Christian denominations.

In Christ,

PS my undestanding is that we are talking about people not about leaders

 

[Catherine_S]

A good beginning for protecting children in the West could be to arrest and charge all parents who stand around gawking** at the** lewdness** and vulgarity displayed* at these pride* parades*** (their children standing along side of them) with child abuse for participating in the corruption of their children’s minds. Why introduce and encourage such a distructive and unhealthy lifestyle to children. There are huge fines for buying or selling cigarettes to those under 18 along with endless messages from the medical profession etc. regarding the dangers of smoking while HIV is rapidly growing and spreading in the general population and we advertise and
advocate the behavior that causes it on our streets! *

Organizations from around the world are “rushing” to offer their support according to Profesionales por la Etica, the Spain-based organization coordinating the effort.
In just one week, 71 organizations* have** offered** their** support**. Human rights groups *
support Russia’s anti-gay propaganda law
.http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/human-rights-groups-support-russias-anti-gay-propaganda-law?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=2eb71a04ad-LifeSiteNews_com_Canada_Headlines_06_19_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_0caba610ac-2eb71a04ad-326156810