Precisely.
That’s in the past. And what about all the places the U.S. has bombed and taken over? I don’t think that Americans are in much of a position to judge when it comes to wars. Plus, Georgia was a part of the Soviet Union at one time. So it would be like if Texas broke away and the United States government attempts to get it back by force which would happen if one of the states would attempt to brake away. But I don’t think that Georgia is the real reason why people are now opposed to him. I think the real reason why a lot of people are now suddenly voicing strong opposition to Putin, at least for liberals, is because of what looks on the surface to be a conversion to his traditional Christian roots and his subsequent opposition to the “gay” lobby.
You shouldn’t trust everything you hear in the American News Media. It was Georgia that attacked South Ossetia (Again), and Russia that drove them out. Russia could have taken over Georgia in a heart beat, if it wanted to. But instead they stopped at driving Georgian forces out of Ossetia and have worked on rebuilding a relationship with Georgia the last four years.
Comparing the Soviet Union to the United States is kind of insulting. But, I will overlook this and attempt to answer your post. We have used force to protect our interests at home, and abroad. This is what nations do.
South Ossetia, along with Abkhazia are/were seperatist regions of undisputed georgian land. Russia’s interference in Georgian life, and politics since the October Revolution, and the forced merger of Georgia into the former Soviet Union (actually Russia). Has caused much turmoil for these people.
Not true. The undisputed border of Georgia was not annexed.South Ossetia, along with Abkhazia are/were seperatist regions of undisputed georgian land. Russia’s interference in Georgian life, and politics since the October Revolution, and the** forced merger of Georgia into the former Soviet Union (actually Russia).** Has caused much turmoil for these people.
To be kind I’ll say that you have misinterpreted the facts.
ATB
South Ossetia was never part of “Russia”, and the Ossetes are not “Russians”. It was part of the Russian Empire and part of the Soviet Union (as was Georgia).
The Russian Federation and The Soviet Union are not the same thing. Russia has never attempted to annex Georgia. And Soviet politics aside, the worst soviet, Joseph Stalin, was from Georgia, not Russia.South Ossetia, along with Abkhazia are/were seperatist regions of undisputed georgian land. Russia’s interference in Georgian life, and politics since the October Revolution, and the forced merger of Georgia into the former Soviet Union (actually Russia). Has caused much turmoil for these people.
To be kind I’ll say that you have misinterpreted the facts.
ATB
I never said Ossetia should or should not be part of Russia. However, I think the people of Ossetia should be able to decide who they want to belong to, and they certainly don’t want to be a part of Georgia.
Stalin, oh boy. He was born in the part of the Russian Federation, which we now call Georgia. The Soviet union who’s headquarters was Moscow, rose out of the Russian civil war. So we see that the Russians were the driving force behind the formation of the Soviet Union. So in effect the Russians have several times “annexed” the land we call Georgia.The Russian Federation and The Soviet Union are not the same thing. Russia has never attempted to annex Georgia. And Soviet politics aside, the worst soviet, Joseph Stalin, was from Georgia, not Russia.
Yes, but he was an ethnic Georgian. But yes, Russians were mostly behind the Soviet Union. Germans were behind the Third Reich, but we don’t equate The Federal Republic of Germany with the Third Reich, even though a lot of people that built modern Germany served in some sort of government position in the third Reich. In the same way the Russian Federation is different from The Soviet Union. Just because somebody had a government position in the Soviet Union doesn’t mean they can’t be trusted now, especially sense he resigned from the KGB, not any more than Paul couldn’t be trusted because he was once a Pharisee.Stalin, oh boy. He was born in the part of the Russian Federation, which we now call Georgia. The Soviet union who’s headquarters was Moscow, rose out of the Russian civil war. So we see that the Russians were the driving force behind the formation of the Soviet Union. So in effect the Russians have several times “annexed” the land we call Georgia.
But the point is that Putin is from the old guard, and is not to be trusted. When someone says they trust him over our own president. They are showing very poor judgement.
ATB
Wow another bizarre comparison. Putin, and Paul.:nope: Our attitude towards Russia, centered on suspicion, is well earned. It’s funny the way you site reinterpretation of Catholic teachings then turn around and attempt to rewrite Russian history to support your own argument. I would also point out that the anti-Russian sentiment is wide spread in Europe as well. With good cause.Yes, but he was an ethnic Georgian. But yes, Russians were mostly behind the Soviet Union. Germans were behind the Third Reich, but we don’t equate The Federal Republic of Germany with the Third Reich, even though a lot of people that built modern Germany served in some sort of government position in the third Reich. In the same way the Russian Federation is different from The Soviet Union. Just because somebody had a government position in the Soviet Union doesn’t mean they can’t be trusted now, especially sense he resigned from the KGB, not any more than Paul couldn’t be trusted because he was once a Pharisee.
In reality, the non stop Anti-Russian sentiment that persists so strongly among Americans , despite no real rational grounds, is really just strong american nationalism. The same nationalism that is the reason why conservative Catholics in america have a tendency to reinterpret catholic social teaching anytime it could be construed to support ideas that they don’t like, or doesn’t somehow revolve around america, such as what happened recently when Pope Francis appealed for peace in Syria.
You didn’t really respond to anything I said, you just restated your own position. I am not sure what reinterpretation of Russian history you are referring to.Wow another bizarre comparison. Putin, and Paul.:nope: Our attitude towards Russia, centered on suspicion, is well earned. It’s funny the way you site reinterpretation of Catholic teachings then turn around and attempt to rewrite Russian history to support your own argument. I would also point out that the anti-Russian sentiment is wide spread in Europe as well. With good cause.
ATB
" It was Georgia that attacked South Ossetia (Again), and Russia that drove them out. Russia could have taken over Georgia in a heart beat, if it wanted to. But instead they stopped at driving Georgian forces out of Ossetia and have worked on rebuilding a relationship with Georgia the last four years. "