Russia- set to pass anti-gay law

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Brendan_64 said:
That would indeed be a much better model for Russia to follow, but sadly the Russian administration does not seem that bothered about tackling the rampant homophobia that exists in Russia, but is instead using this homophobia to gain increase its popularity through introducing laws that play on this.

The fact that people arrested on suspicion of murder will attempt to mitigate their crime through claiming that they did it because the victim was homosexual, and that a section of the public think that this is a fair enough reason to kill someone and are happy to say so, says a lot really.

Putin isn’t interested in creating a moral society, he’s just out to gain more public support through appealing to the lowest common denominator and making political capital out of prejudices, regardless of the costs. I’ll predict that alongside his anti-homosexual legislation there will be absolutely no attempt to try to tackle the extreme homophobia that exists in Russia. As far as Putin is concerned there would be no political capital to be gained from that at all, quite the contrary.

I wonder if Putin is interested in tackling the issue of abortion in Russia? Russia has the highest level of abortion per women of child-bearing age in the entire world. More children are aborted than born in Russia, where there are 13 children aborted for every 10 children born. But then again abortion is widely accepted amongst the Russian population, so there’s no political capital in tackling that moral issue.

This law has nothing to do with morality, and everything to do with capitalising on people’s prejudices to make political capital.
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Homophobia? That’s a nonsense term. If you were in a public place and saw 100 people, could you pick out the gay one? Of course not.

Abortion? This has nothing to do with the topic.

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westNwewaxation said:
Great post as always. The only part I disagree with was the last part of your post. Nothing would happen if somebody were to pervert children’s minds on this topic here in the US, Ridgerunner. Absolutely nothing. Some conservatives would write angry letters and they would be ridiculed and laughed at and then ignored. The book below is read in some US schools by children 5-8 years old. This is what the Russians are trying to prevent.
amazon.com/King-Linda-Haan/dp/1582460612/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371113201&sr=8-1&keywords=king+and+king+book

Why does this happen? You need look no further than this thread. After I (literally) stopped laughing, I realized how sad it is that even well-meaning Catholics who take their faith seriously have been so profoundly dumbed down my homosexual propaganda that they cannot understand or even see what this issue is even about. PATHETIC.
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Not dumbed down but conditioned. It’s Psychological Warfare 101. You keep repeating the same thing, over and over and over again and it sinks in. Do advertisers spend millions on ads for no results? Same strategy.

If you want to win people over, you don’t announce it. “Hi. I’m here to give you a load of propaganda.” You wrap it up in vague terms like diversity, inclusive and tolerance, while teaching little kids that two men can get married.

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With regard to homophobia, the preferred, and more accurate term is anti-gay.
 
Slavonic said:
With regard to homophobia, the preferred, and more accurate term is anti-gay.
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Sorry but “gay” is another one of those made up words that tries to distract people from what we are actually talking about. The most accurate was to describe it is "people who are opposed to homosexual behavior and attempts to normalize and affirm it in our society.
 
Slavonic said:
With regard to homophobia, the preferred, and more accurate term is anti-gay.
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Orthodox, Catholic East/West, Most Protestants are anti-living the life of a homosexual in action=gay…

anti-sins against Chastity is more appropriate
 
estesbob said:
Sorry but “gay” is another one of those made up words that tries to distract people from what we are actually talking about. The most accurate was to describe it is "people who are opposed to homosexual behavior and attempts to normalize and affirm it in our society.
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Sorry, but gay people are part of society. It’s rather egotistical to think it is all yours. While the church and LGBT movement look at it on different terms, the LGBT movement does a better job of understanding the entire person than does the church. Thus, gay is better, less clinical than ‘homosexual.’
 
Slavonic said:
Sorry, but gay people are part of society. It’s rather egotistical to think it is all yours. While the church and LGBT movement look at it on different terms, the LGBT movement does a better job of understanding the entire person than does the church. Thus, gay is better, less clinical than ‘homosexual.’
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Homosexual i is as homosexual does. No need to disguise deviant sexual behavior with euphemisms
 
CopticChristian said:
I believe that people don’t like Homosexuals rationally. You don’t have to be irrational to find homosexual acts disgusting. Watching people march in parades, publically expression homosexuality causes a rational repulsion. There is nothing irrational about it. So if the basis of Homophobia as described is “irrational”…
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It is irrational to hate someone who you do not know, or have had b no dealings with. Finding homosexual acts disgusting is one thing, but to hate individual homosexuals is something entirely different. How can you rationally hate a person that you have not even had any contact with? How can you hate someone who has caused you no personal ill will?

I believe that homosexual acts are sinful and very wrong. Yet I have a very good friend who is homosexual, and living in a homosexual relationship. I attended his civil partnership ceremony (with full approval after consulting my priest). How could I possibly hate him, he is my friend?

I also have many very good friends who are heterosexuals and living in relationships outside of marriage. I also believe that that is sinful. How can I hate these friends?

Hating people because they are homosexual is irrational. It is also very wrong, and very sinful. Homophobia is sinful.
 
devoutchristian said:
Implying that a law designed to protect public morality constitutes “unjust discrimination”.
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So quote me from the Catechism where I have twisted Church teaching?

I repeat again, tell me the Church teaching that I have twisted?

As far as I’m aware then Catholic Church has not endorsed Putin’s new law. As far as I’m aware this law does not form part of the teachings of our Church.

Your view that this law is designed to protect public morality, simply** your view.** Your view does not constitute Church teaching.

So how am I twisting Church teachings? I quoted from CCC 2358 without changing one word of it “They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.” Maybe you would rather that those two sentences were not in the Catechism, but tough luck, they are there. The Catechism is very clear on the Church’s view on homosexuals. It regards homosexual acts as gravely sinful, but does not condemn the state of being homosexual as sinful in itself, and it states that homosexuals must be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity. If you choose not to do so, then you are acting in opposition to the teachings of the Church.

So go on then tell me what part of Church teachings have I twisted?
 
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