Russia- set to pass anti-gay law

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ThatOrthodoxGuy said:
Yes, the church is very strict and conservative. I should know my dad is a priest

I just don’t understand people sometimes :banghead: Russia is not the west. They are tired of the unmoral everything is a gray area, that the west is shoving down peoples throat. I for one am tired of it also
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Excellent, then it would also be consistent with this…
Essay by Priest Seraphim Holland: 4
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Seaphim Holland of the Russian Orthodox Church of St. Nicholas in Dallas TX makes the following points:
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To have a homosexual orientation is not sinful. However, “we must struggle, fast, pray, and do everything within our power (with the help of God), to humble ourselves, and to uproot our passions, with great labour and toil. If a man is not struggling to do these things, he is not gaining the kingdom of heaven.”
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All sexual impurities, such as homosexual behavior, are serious sins. The degree of sin is greater than that which results from a man and woman engaging in fornication (i.e. sex outside of marriage).
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A gay or lesbian who has a same-sex encounter, and who does not repent of the act, commits a sin which separates themselves from God and their guardian angel.
“Any man can change - he can stop being a drunkard, or liar, or homosexual, or blasphemer, or pagan, or anything else, with God’s help.”
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As Catholics, we are taught that the Orthodox is a sister Church and since we do not impose our beliefs on Orthodox, nor do we expect Orthodox to impose their beliefs on us…we respect Russia, the Russian Orthodox Church as it concerns this issue and look and say…let us just see how this works in Russia and let us see how this stifles the LGBT agenda around the world…
 
CopticChristian said:
As Catholics, we are taught that the Orthodox is a sister Church and since we do not impose our beliefs on Orthodox, nor do we expect Orthodox to impose their beliefs on us…we respect Russia, the Russian Orthodox Church as it concerns this issue and look and say…let us just see how this works in Russia and let us see how this stifles the LGBT agenda around the world…
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We don’t “impose” our beliefs on anyone in the sense of forcibly converting people, however we do encourage all people to become Catholic.
 
Praise be to God! Perhaps the conversion of Russia is already on it’s way!

Perhaps it even began ( a tiny bit) with Joe Stalin! Stalin as you remember was very much pro family, pro traditional values. He righteously and vigorously opposed divorce, abortion, homosexuality, and promoted Russian Orthodox Church, especially after WWII
 
HabemusFrancis said:
Praise be to God! Perhaps the conversion of Russia is already on it’s way!

Perhaps it even began ( a tiny bit) with Joe Stalin! Stalin as you remember was very much pro family, pro traditional values. He righteously and vigorously opposed divorce, abortion, homosexuality, and promoted Russian Orthodox Church, especially after WWII
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That’s just rediculous. Stalin viciously persecuted all sects of Christianity, despite tolerating the Orthodox during WWII for propaganda purposes.
 
CopticChristian said:
Andrew,

The Russian Orthodox have proclaimed Nicoai a Saint and whatever negative is written after is slander. He and his family were murdered. Whatever speculation as to what the circumstances are help what? What is the exact title and who is the author of your book?
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Nicholas and Alexandra by Robert Massey, he became RO after writing the book and it played a big part in my personal conversion.

It may be out of print, the book was written in the 1960s and the film came out in 1973. Both are historic accounts.
 
devoutchristian said:
We don’t “impose” our beliefs on anyone in the sense of forcibly converting people, however we do encourage all people to become Catholic.
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But people should still spread the faith always not with force but still defend it at all times. Our faith should be public and our laws should reflect our faith also

“The spread of Christ’s faith ought to be near and precious to the heart of every Orthodox Christian”- St. Tikhon of Moscow
 
HabemusFrancis said:
Praise be to God! Perhaps the conversion of Russia is already on it’s way!

Perhaps it even began ( a tiny bit) with Joe Stalin! Stalin as you remember was very much pro family, pro traditional values. He righteously and vigorously opposed divorce, abortion, homosexuality, and promoted Russian Orthodox Church, especially after WWII
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After WW2 the persecutions got worse and the church was driven underground almost
 
estesbob said:
And these laws are related to the law in Russia in why way? You are the one who brought up the Nazis. Goodwins law strikes again
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Goodwins “law” is illegitimate and will remain so until until there is a cororllary “law” that forbids calling anyone to the left of Presidient Reagan “socialist or communist”. I see this all the time on world news.

Most of those people myself included are just moderates, and sometimes liberals. That does not make anyone socialist or communist!
 
Orthodox guy my question to you is does your Church distinguish between homosexual acts which are sinful and the homosexual orientation (same-sex attractions) that no one chooses?

Because there are Christians out there who are celibate but have tragically found themselves with a same-sex orientation but view homosexual acts as sinful, and support traditional marriage. Many times they feel ostracized by the back and forth language and rhetoric coming from Churches (this is with Christianity in general) and the homosexual activists and feel caught in the middle.

What is the Russian Orthodox Church’s response (or Russia’s response in general) to those Christians who have tragically found themselves same-sex oriented but know acting on said attraction is sinful?
 
devoutchristian said:
We don’t “impose” our beliefs on anyone in the sense of forcibly converting people, however we do encourage all people to become Catholic.
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Certainly. Show me something that any Pope says about the Orthodox becoming Catholic, and it is my understanding that the Orthodox believe that they are Catholic. Do you not believe that the Orthodox are Catholic? The Catechism says this…
The Catholic Church retains the structures of Episcopal leadership and sacramental life that are the gift of Christ to his Church (cf. CCC, nos. 765, 766) and that date back to apostolic times. At the same time, the Catholic Church recognizes that the Holy Spirit uses other churches and ecclesial communities “as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church” (CCC, no. 819; LG, no. 8). Depending on what and how much of the elements of sanctification and truth (UR, no. 3) these communities have retained, they have a certain though imperfect com¬munion with the Catholic Church. There are also real differences. In some cases “there are very weighty differences not only of a historical, sociological, psychological and cultural character, but especially in the interpretation of revealed truth” (UR, no. 19). (The word church applies to those bodies of Christians who have a valid Episcopal leadership or hierarchy, while the phrase ecclesial communities refers to those bodies of Christians that do not have an apostolic hierarchy.)
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The Orthodox have a valid Episcopal leadership and therefore are rightfully called a Church and not an ecclesial community. Is this not correct?
 
CopticChristian said:
Certainly. Show me something that any Pope says about the Orthodox becoming Catholic, and it is my understanding that the Orthodox believe that they are Catholic. Do you not believe that the Orthodox are Catholic? The Catechism says this…

The Orthodox have a valid Episcopal leadership and therefore are rightfully called a Church and not an ecclesial community. Is this not correct?
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They have valid orders but they are still in schism. Lumen Gentium states that all people have an objective obligation to become Catholic.
 
devoutchristian said:
They have valid orders but they are still in schism. Lumen Gentium states that all people have an objective obligation to become Catholic.
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But Orthodoxy does consider itself Catholic

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible;

And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages; Light of Light, true God of true God; begotten, not made; being of one essence with the Father; by Whom all things were made;

Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from the Heavens, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man;

And was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried;

And arose again on the third day according to the Scriptures;

And ascended into the Heavens, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father;

And shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose Kingdom shall have no end;

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life; Who proceedeth from the Father; Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spake by the Prophets;

In One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

I confess one baptism for the remission of sins.

I look for the resurrection of the dead,

And the life of the age to come. Amen.
 
andrewstx said:
Nicholas and Alexandra by Robert Massey, he became RO after writing the book and it played a big part in my personal conversion.

It may be out of print, the book was written in the 1960s and the film came out in 1973. Both are historic accounts.
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I see that this is a Biography and it won a Pullitzer prize however I don’t see anything about Orthodox critique of this book.
 
devoutchristian said:
They have valid orders but they are still in schism. Lumen Gentium states that all people have an objective obligation to become Catholic.
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What happened to the two lungs?

catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=50211
Pope Francis, has made it clear. He will continue the work toward the day when the two lungs of the Church, East and West, breathe together again
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CHESAPEAKE, VA (Catholic Online) - First, I want to share my heart with my readers. I long for the full communion of the Orthodox and Catholic Church. I pray daily for the full communion of the Orthodox and Catholic Churches. I do so because I believe it is the will of God that “All May be One” (John 17: 21).
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I am also persuaded that the healing of the division between the two sister churches would unleash a profound renewal of the entire Church at the dawn of this new missionary age. I believe that the gifts found in the whole Church will enrich both East and West and assist us in the One mission which we must face together in our One Lord.
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devoutchristian said:
Latin Catholics and Eastern Catholics. Just as Old Catholics and the like aren’t part of the Western lung, so too Eastern Orthodox aren’t part of the Eastern lung.
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:onpatrol:Hello Francis, got this guy here devoutchristian that is mincing words about the lung issue…what do I tell him?
Pope Francis, has made it clear. He will continue the work toward the day when the two lungs of the Church, East and West, breathe together again
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CHESAPEAKE, VA (Catholic Online) - First, I want to share my heart with my readers. I long for the full communion of the Orthodox and Catholic Church. I pray daily for the full communion of the Orthodox and Catholic Churches. I do so because I believe it is the will of God that “All May be One” (John 17: 21).
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I am also persuaded that the healing of the division between the two sister churches would unleash a profound renewal of the entire Church at the dawn of this new missionary age. I believe that the gifts found in the whole Church will enrich both East and West and assist us in the One mission which we must face together in our One Lord.
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tell him or her that breathing is the key…:okpeople:
 
devoutchristian said:
It also considers itself to be the true religion, yet Catholics would dispute that.
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That’s why our churches are separate from each other. I believe Orthodoxy has the fullness of Truth and that no other church has the fullness of truth. A prayer that is chanted during Divine Liturgy sums up how I feel

We have seen the True Light! We have received the Heavenly Spirit! We have found the True Faith! Worshiping the Undivided Trinity, Who has saved us.
 
ThatOrthodoxGuy said:
That’s why our churches are separate from each other. I believe Orthodoxy has the fullness of Truth and that no other church has the fullness of truth. A prayer that is chanted during Divine Liturgy sums up how I feel
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We have seen the True Light! We have received the Heavenly Spirit! We have found the True Faith! Worshiping the Undivided Trinity, Who has saved us.
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The Byzantine Catholics say something similar to this…
 
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