Russian Jet Buzzes AF Intel Plane

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The point regarding the Russian fighter pilot that was killed is that it was caused by a dangerously unacceptable action not to be tossed off as frivolous. Posters need be mindful that those who serve their country with honor are very much loved and respected. To ridicule such an event is not in keeping with the standards required to post on this forum.

Situations change with lightning speed when hostilities break out. The USA regards our military with respect and support.
 
grotto said:
Dismissing this incident as “no big deal, this happens all the time” is not true. Was it a big deal when a Russian fighter pilot died by being shot down for crossing Turkey’s airspace for a wide turn? That was unnecessary and unacceptable, and the ultimate of dangerous for the pilot. So, maybe Turkey was just making a statement to Russia that they are tough too!

Remarks regarding this incident should be kept to a very serious level of discussion. Its not a joke to say something like the aircrew members had to launder their underwear. Nope!
That is something kids say in gradeschool.

When posting it would be wise to give care to those whose lives were risked and loved deeply for their service. The loss of the Russian pilot was so respected.

Situations taking place today are requiring professional skills, not hot dog pilot trainees.
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Of course it was a big deal when a Russian pilot was shot down and killed that WAS unnecessary and unacceptable.

Look at all the comments posted in any news articles of the ‘event’, none of the commenters see it as Russia’s fault be they UK/USA or from wherever. Just a case of c’est la vie, when planes are flying around, in close proximity, especially near to one country’s borders.

I wonder how ‘shocking’ it would be IF Russia had complained, of a similar incident by the USA, if they had been flying near to the USA borders - I’m sure it would have been taken very ‘seriously’ indeed. :rolleyes:
 
I have heard enough Russian adoration and excuses. This is not an incident that will go away with an “I’m gonna tell your mother”. This is an incident that doesn’t need an advance warning - it is one that shall not be repeated and go without retribution.
 
grotto said:
I have heard enough Russian adoration and excuses. This is not an incident that will go away with an “I’m gonna tell your mother”. This is an incident that doesn’t need an advance warning - it is one that shall not be repeated and go without retribution.
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Fortunately, Russia didn’t have the same mindset when Turkey shot down their jet, whilst in the process of fighting ISIS, and killed their pilot.
 
That’s it in a nutshell, all generated by Western propaganda, since the 50’s.

Fortunately, due to the internet, global travelling, etc… Russia is now not viewed as such, by many people around the world, as easily evidenced by comments to any MSM press releases involving Russia.
 
and according to a new thread, Turkey claims Russia is preparing to invade. Is that a delayed reaction?
 
The media is guessing at best and not telling people anything of substance, aside from “This happened…” followed by propaganda and guesses.

Based on my lengthy studies on World War II to the fall of the Soviet Union, it was inevitable that the Russian Federation, and US, would be flying over restricted airspace, leading fighter-bombers against unidentified or vaguely identified targets in Syria and so on. US warships recently got a little too close to China for reasons unknown. This seems to boil down to: “No more paper games and reconnaissance, we can and will get in your face” and they have. Why? To show off our might in direct view? To show “the other guy” that “we’re watching you so you better fear us?” “We’re ready to take you on?”

Anyway. Bottom line: Russia wants lands and resources, the US wants land and resources. After all the soldiers, tanks, jets, etc., leave or occupy wherever, we or they make the government, whoever that may be, buy from us only, or in the case of Russia, from Russia only. We or Russia get the upper hand and we or they start making money, with a few threats thrown in if they don’t “cooperate” down the line or start making trouble (partisans blowing up trains, ambushing soldiers and supplies; the usual fare). Kind of like the Mafia in a way.

On the ideological front, money is money, and getting more resources and land increases that country’s “sphere of influence.” With all due respect to the armed forces who love their respective countries.

Ed
 
grotto said:
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This is no joking around or showing off! This was a NEAR MISS jeopradizing many of our finest. Imagine 15 feet - the length of a Dodge Ram truck, and at that it would be short. Now imagine a jet fighter at FAST hot dogging next to a large passenger aircraft.

Mr. Putin needs to address this reckless endangerment. He was rightly outraged over the shootdown of his fighter aircraft by Turkey - he may not hear a peep out of Obama but he needs to know I am rightly outraged regarding this near miss/buzz. Just getting out of hand Mr. Putin and time is getting shorter.
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This incident above was not the first time - now we know of two more! In the Baltic Sea that DOES NOT BELONG TO RUSSIA another US intel plane (could be the same one) and a US destroyer were threat attacked. In today’s world, intel is of utmost importance and defense must be kept to the highest levels. Russia is announcing very dangerous intentions. As we have witnessed already, they creep, crawl and before you know it, they take over portions of countries that have something they want.

China has decided to create military airfield/missile islands in international waters. Is it a coincidence or part of war plans of the near future?

Do we have national security or do we have security monitors like the tv commercials.
 
A few years ago, a fighter plane belonging to the Peoples Republic of China did a buzz job on a U.S. Navy ELINT airplane, an EP-3. The fighter pilot miscalculated and he and his plane collided with the Navy plane. The fighter went down. The EP-3 made an emergency landing on Hainan Island. The Chinese interned the crew and the plane was disassembled and examined, following which a Russian freighter was hired to collect the pieces of the Navy plane and fly it to the United States.

More or less.

You can check it out.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
A few years ago, a fighter plane belonging to the Peoples Republic of China did a buzz job on a U.S. Navy ELINT airplane, an EP-3. The fighter pilot miscalculated and he and his plane collided with the Navy plane. The fighter went down. The EP-3 made an emergency landing on Hainan Island. The Chinese interned the crew and the plane was disassembled and examined, following which a Russian freighter was hired to collect the pieces of the Navy plane and fly it to the United States.

More or less.

You can check it out.
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Its really in need of a committee review ay? Maybe we can dialogue about all this and pay them off - like handing over your lunch money! That’s the way our Navy crews were handled when Iran snatched them, the boats, took sensitive equipment and photographed the “detained” on their knees. What did we do about it? 🤷
 
Maybe Russia is on the right side here against the leftist US.
 
Russia is just trying to re-assert hegemony over what it considers its own sphere of influence. It would like to see NATO power diminished and the U.S. cede to Russia in that area. But dangerous actions in international airspace could backfire.
 
As a show of force, the United States sent in two F-22 fighters.

Not two squadrons.

Two planes.

[Sigh.]
 
edwest2 said:
The media is guessing at best and not telling people anything of substance, aside from “This happened…” followed by propaganda and guesses.

Based on my lengthy studies on World War II to the fall of the Soviet Union, it was inevitable that the Russian Federation, and US, would be flying over restricted airspace, leading fighter-bombers against unidentified or vaguely identified targets in Syria and so on. US warships recently got a little too close to China for reasons unknown. This seems to boil down to: “No more paper games and reconnaissance, we can and will get in your face” and they have. Why? To show off our might in direct view? To show “the other guy” that “we’re watching you so you better fear us?” “We’re ready to take you on?”

Anyway. Bottom line: Russia wants lands and resources, the US wants land and resources. After all the soldiers, tanks, jets, etc., leave or occupy wherever, we or they make the government, whoever that may be, buy from us only, or in the case of Russia, from Russia only. We or Russia get the upper hand and we or they start making money, with a few threats thrown in if they don’t “cooperate” down the line or start making trouble (partisans blowing up trains, ambushing soldiers and supplies; the usual fare). Kind of like the Mafia in a way.

On the ideological front, money is money, and getting more resources and land increases that country’s “sphere of influence.” With all due respect to the armed forces who love their respective countries.

Ed
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If the United States wanted more land and resources we could have taken them after World War Two.

On numerous occasions, U.S. representatives have said we only wanted enough space to bury our dead … as on the beaches of Normandy where we landed on June 6, 1944 when we began liberating Europe from the German invaders.

The Soviet Union / USSR / Russia don’t need fleets of electronic intelligence aircraft because they have free access to the United States and can simply rent buildings and set up evesdropping equipment and bring in their intelligence operatives freely.

The United States doesn’t have that option regarding Russia, so we maintain patrols of aircraft.
 
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