Russian Jet Buzzes AF Intel Plane

[pepipop]

Don’t you know rightly…

 

[Path_Finder]

Just last year the passenger plane with 200 people was shot down in the Ukraine. We all saw the disaster spread out over the countryside and the inhuman denial of recovery teams to tend to the dead. All in an effort to conceal the cause. Because, why? Anyone held to account for this?

All credible investigations have shown this, I don’t want to get off-topic as to the original subject but I agree.

 

[edwest2]

So Russia is at war with the U.S.?

The Cold War started right before the last bullets were fired during World War II. An “Iron Curtain” had descended over Russia, as described by Winston Churchill. He initiated a secret study called “Operation Unthinkable” to determine how and if the Russians could be stopped if they decided to move west and take over Europe, which would threaten the UK. Spy planes were soon dispatched. The Americans and British had to know if the Russians were planning to invade. The Russians had captured examples of fast German jets like the Me-262 and Ar-234. They also had examples of the V-1 and V-2, and their own group of captured German rocket experts. There was also German nerve gas, which was confiscated by the Americans and British. Tons of it packed in artillery shells. It was a total surprise.

General Patton warned about the Russians. They also had a B-29, which they copied, and a supersonic German rocket plane called the DFS-346, which was completed and flown. The Americans set up picket ships in the Pacific and Atlantic. More and faster ELINT and photo-reconnaissance aircraft were requested and developed. A surprise attack was expected. The CIA thought the Russians would not have an atomic bomb until the early 1950s. They were wrong. The Soviets detonated their first atom bomb in 1949, the Chinese went Communist and the Korean War started in 1950, with direct Russian support, followed by Chinese troops. The MiG 15 and F-86 Sabre were virtually identical designs, based on German research, and based on the German wartime Ta-183, second version. Radar stations were built in Canada. And Canada became our reluctant Cold War ally.

The Russians surprised everyone in 1957 with the launch of Sputnik. Fear about a bomber gap and a missile gap caused the Americans to increase their efforts to get a satellite in space and then a man. The Russians sent the first man into space.

In the early 1990s, the USSR collapsed but the new Russian Federation is flexing its military muscle again.

Ed

 

[Ridgerunner]

Well, I assume as they were flying over the Black sea, it was to do with Syria - and both countries are fighting ISIS there.

Either that or maybe it was a transatlantic detour, on a flight from LA to Washington, DC…

Might have just been watching the Russian arms buildup in Ukraine.

 

[pepipop]

Might have just been watching the Russian arms buildup in Ukraine.

A complete waste of time and money then. They’ve had no evidence of that occurring for the past 2 years – so doubt they’ll get any now.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

Some of the commenters, most of the same bent, to the fox news piece.

*JefCDavis 3 days ago

“Unsafe and unprofessional!” This is getting to be the Pentagon’s go-to language, and it is just absurd. What does a military do? It kills people and intimidates countries. So come up with something better. Like the truth–"We’re angry our crew had to change their underwear and we’re sending the bill to Putin.

stern 31 minutes ago

I think it’s funny. What can you expect when you’re spying in an area trying not to be seen? Things are going to happen. If you can’t take the heat, get out of the spying business.*"

Bwahahahhahaha…funniest stuff I’ve read all week. Especially the first one.

 

[Ridgerunner]

A complete waste of time and money then. They’ve had no evidence of that occurring for the past 2 years – so doubt they’ll get any now.

They’ve had plenty of evidence, including new Russian equipment that Ukraine doesn’t have, and Russian soldiers caught in Ukraine. Since it’s pretty evident Russia will at least try to take Mariupol and the corridor to conquered Crimea, it would be reasonable for U.S. intelligence to be keeping an eye on the Russian movements.

 

[Path_Finder]

They’ve had plenty of evidence, including new Russian equipment that Ukraine doesn’t have, and Russian soldiers caught in Ukraine. Since it’s pretty evident Russia will at least try to take Mariupol and the corridor to conquered Crimea, it would be reasonable for U.S. intelligence to be keeping an eye on the Russian movements.

And evidence like this:

Russian Military Refuses to Re-Open Investigation Into Deaths of 159 Soldiers
Russia’s Chief Military Prosecutor Maxim Toporikov said on Tuesday he sees no grounds to re-examine the circumstances of the deaths of 159 Russian military servicemen, suspected to have been killed in Ukraine from Jan. 1, 2014 to July 30, 2015, the RBC news service reported. A representative of the Kremlin’s human rights commission, Sergey Krivenko, requested the military prosecutor look into the deaths of Russian servicemen after noticing an abnormally high mortality rate in the second half of 2014, as conflict escalated in eastern Ukraine. Though Russia has denied involvement in the conflict, Western officials and the Ukrainian government in Kiev have alleged that Moscow deployed troops to fight alongside pro-Russian separatists in the region.

• Moscow Times: themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-military-refuses-to-re-open-investigation-into-deaths-of-159-soldiers/556945.html

 

[Path_Finder]

A complete waste of time and money then. They’ve had no evidence of that occurring for the past 2 years – so doubt they’ll get any now.

I doubt if people would put big smilies on this story from the Moscow Times:

Russian Military Refuses to Re-Open Investigation Into Deaths of 159 Soldiers

Russia’s Chief Military Prosecutor Maxim Toporikov said on Tuesday he sees no grounds to re-examine the circumstances of the deaths of 159 Russian military servicemen, suspected to have been killed in Ukraine from Jan. 1, 2014 to July 30, 2015, the RBC news service reported.** A representative of the Kremlin’s human rights commission, Sergey Krivenko,** requested the military prosecutor look into the deaths of Russian servicemen after noticing an abnormally high mortality rate in the second half of 2014, as conflict escalated in eastern Ukraine. Though Russia has denied involvement in the conflict, Western officials and the Ukrainian government in Kiev have alleged that Moscow deployed troops to fight alongside pro-Russian separatists in the region.

themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-military-refuses-to-re-open-investigation-into-deaths-of-159-soldiers/556945.html

And are the weapons that kill coming from Russia? Is not that bad enough?

Let alone, any dissent from the government but leave one being wary.

 

[Path_Finder]

Some of the commenters, most of the same bent, to the fox news piece.

*JefCDavis 3 days ago

“Unsafe and unprofessional!” This is getting to be the Pentagon’s go-to language, and it is just absurd. What does a military do? It kills people and intimidates countries. So come up with something better. Like the truth–"We’re angry our crew had to change their underwear and we’re sending the bill to Putin.

stern 31 minutes ago

I think it’s funny. What can you expect when you’re spying in an area trying not to be seen? Things are going to happen. If you can’t take the heat, get out of the spying business.*"

Are we really quoting reader comments?

Does that really seem strong to prove a case in point?

Oh, I get it, we trust state media in countries classified as unfree and where journalists seem to periodically die under suspicious circumstances.

 

[Path_Finder]

Suffice it to say, I will be paying attention to what apparently human rights activists say in Russia and Ukraine and the numerous Russian dissidents.

 

[Path_Finder]

Fine, we will meet the challenge!

I’m not sure if I am seeing journalists and political opposition killed in the US.

 

[pepipop]

I doubt if people would put big smilies on this story from the Moscow Times:

And are the weapons that kill coming from Russia? Is not that bad enough?

Let alone, any dissent from the government but leave one being wary.

Where else are the weapons going to come from? The Ukrainian army use Russian arms or Soviet weapons too.

The soldiers’ story is just that. Some may have gone over the border, whilst on leave, to fight, but none were ordered to do so, by Putin. What advantage is there to Russia, in doing so - i.e. sending a few men to fight in a civil conflict, for what reason?

Russia was the most instrumental country in pushing for and arriving at the Minsk II ceasefire treaty. Whether the treaty is holding or not - who knows except for residents of Ukraine - as the MSM is not interested, in Ukraine anymore, which is all par for the course.

 

[grotto]

The US has had to put up with a lot of taunting and dangerously stupid actions by the returning communist countries. Guess that old Cold War has reached freeze level at least. With a new President and cabinet for the US, we can call a halt to antagonists.

 

[tomarin]

Where else are the weapons going to come from? The Ukrainian army use Russian arms or Soviet weapons too.

The soldiers’ story is just that. Some may have gone over the border, whilst on leave, to fight, but none were ordered to do so, by Putin. What advantage is there to Russia, in doing so - i.e. sending a few men to fight in a civil conflict, for what reason?

Russia was the most instrumental country in pushing for and arriving at the Minsk II ceasefire treaty. Whether the treaty is holding or not - who knows except for residents of Ukraine - as the MSM is not interested, in Ukraine anymore, which is all par for the course.

They are punishing Ukraine for reorienting itself towards the West and away from Mother Russia.

 

[grotto]

Suppressed information.

 

[pepipop]

They are punishing Ukraine for reorienting itself towards the West and away from Mother Russia.

Where’s the evidence of Russia ‘punishing’ Ukraine - oh wait, there is none?

It’s an internal conflict between separatist/nationalist Ukrainians, catalyzed by the Western backed protests, in 2013. Thereafter escalated by a Western hand-picked, anti-Russian, coup d’etat government that declared - “Russian would no longer be an official language in Ukraine” - on their first day in ‘power’, all of which really helped to set it off.

Needless to say, after the West visibly exited, Ukraine does not get a mention in the MSM, anymore.

 

[grotto]

:thankyou: The Communists always deny truth exists but it does, its suppressed!

 

[tomarin]

Where’s the evidence of Russia ‘punishing’ Ukraine - oh wait, there is none?

It’s an internal conflict between separatist/nationalist Ukrainians, catalyzed by the Western backed protests, in 2013. Thereafter escalated by a Western hand-picked, anti-Russian, coup d’etat government that declared - “Russian would no longer be an official language in Ukraine” - on their first day in ‘power’, all of which really helped to set it off.

Needless to say, after the West visibly exited, Ukraine does not get a mention in the MSM, anymore.

It can’t be considered a coup d’etat if the president fled the country. Which he did. Back to - Russia of course.

Follow the clues, Pepipop!

 

[Path_Finder]

It can’t be considered a coup d’etat if the president fled the country. Which he did. Back to - Russia of course.

Follow the clues, Pepipop!

There was no Coup, we think of coups as troops coming in and removing a sitting president but there are no pictures of this; it is an insult to those who were killed likely by the government and why the ex-president is a wanted man in Ukraine.

No body wants to belong to what is widely regarded as a Kleptocracy. There is no evidence, just some hokey phone call which they claim says this.

**Kyiv Criticizes French TV Documentary On Maidan Protests **

The film Ukraine: The Masks Of The Revolution tells the “real” story of the Euromaidan protests. At least that’s what filmmaker Paul Moreira claims.

In a nutshell, according to Moreira, it was right-wing extremists who ousted Viktor Yanukovych during the 2013-14 Euromaidan demonstrations, not the tens of thousands of ordinary and peaceful Ukrainians who took to the streets day after day.

The West is complicit as well, turning a blind eye to the extremists’ crimes, including deadly violence in the southern city of Odesa in May 2014.

Why? Because Ukraine was merely a “pawn” – albeit a crucial one – in the greater geopolitical tug-of-war between the Kremlin and the West.

If that sounds familiar, it should. It’s essentially the narrative that the Kremlin and its followers have been spinning – that is, blood-lusting neo-Nazi Ukrainians preying on unsuspecting Russian-speakers and other vulnerable minorities.

On its Facebook page, the Ukrainian Embassy in France said the film, which is set to air on the French Canal Plus television channel on February 1, is “not only dishonest, but completely disrespectful to our compatriots murdered in the heart of Kyiv while defending the democratic aspirations of their country.”

The embassy did not demand Canal Plus pull the film, as has been reported by RT, but says the channel “would be well-advised to reconsider the dissemination of the film.”

In an opinion piece on January 29 in The Kyiv Post, Halya Coynash, a member of the Kharkiv Human Rights Protection Group, pans the film as bad propaganda, filled with “manipulative reporting and outright lies.”

Coynash takes exception to Moreira’s claim that the West whitewashed the role of extreme right-wing activists during the Euromaidan protests.

Read More At: rferl.org/content/ukraine-criticizes-french-tv-documentary-maidan-protests/27524104.html

Let’s see, this is a line out of an unfree country per Freedom House, where opposition politicians, spies, military and lastly journalists either are murdered or turn up dead, a government that appears to blame others when something goes wrong.

There’s a phone call and that is evidence?

A place, where now we have these cartoons, funny how those threads don’t receive comments, of apparent executions of political figures and a place where a heavy ruler in Chechnya posts videos of opposition political figures in the crosshairs on the internet; yet, we are suppose to find these theories believable?