Russian Orthodox Catholic Church?

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Is the Russian Orthodox Catholic Church in Russia & in Alaska with ROME!?
Is this Church under the POPE?

Are there many of these Churches in the US? Which states?
What language is the Mass in?

Thanks!
God Bless!🙂
 
Megan7 said:
Is the Russian Orthodox Catholic Church in Russia & in Alaska with ROME!?
Is this Church under the POPE?

Are there many of these Churches in the US? Which states?
What language is the Mass in?

Thanks!
God Bless!🙂
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There is not a “Russian Orthodox Catholic Church” (unless it’s some breakoff splinter group not affiliated with either).

There is the Russian Orthodox Church (not in union with Rome), which is one of the major Orthodox Churches.

Then there’s the Russian Greek Catholic Church (in union with Rome).

Both have churches in Alaska, Russia and other places.

Here is a link to a wonderful Russian Greek Catholic Church called St. Andrew’s, in El Segundo, California, which I’ve visited many times:

standrewelsegundo.org/
 
I could see either a Russian Orthodox Church or a Russian Catholic Church call itself by that name. Of course I can see a poserdox group using that title too. If you’re talking about a specific parish then yes, a link will help out.
 
With regards to Russian Greek Catholic parishes:

These are almost like parishes of the OCA (Orthodox Church of America) in their liturgical life. Where they stand doctrinally probably ranges similar to many of the Eastern Catholic Churches on a continuum from Orthodox to Catholic (those who are “Orthodox in Communion with Rome” to the opposite extreme). The Russian Greek Catholics are noted for their fidelity to maintaining the authentic Slavic Byzantine tradition. A watchword they sometimes use was given by Pope Pius X: “Nec plus, nec minus, nec aliter.” (“No more, no less, no alteration.”)

In the US, there are only a few parishes: El Segundo (very near Los Angeles Airport), San Francisco, Denver and New York (Manhattan). I don’t believe there are any parishes in Alaska as was mentioned. Nor, do I believe there are any others in the US. The El Segundo and San Francisco parishes are larger I believe than the Denver or Manhattan parishes. I have visited the El Segundo parish and found them a nice community.

Holy Resurrection Monastery, a Romanian Catholic monastery in Southern California, could almost pass for a Russian Greek Catholic monastery. (That is meant as a compliment.)

More can be found here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Catholic_Church

rumkatkilise.org/necplus.htm

Peter
 
Ignatios said:
It is called today the OCA or the Orthodox Church in America, but you still see on some of the old Churches a sign usually a stone sign engraved on it The Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church, and no they are not under the Pope, there is a whole bunch of them on this site:ask.reference.com/related/Russian+Orthodox+Greek+Catholic+Church
GOD bless you all †††.
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This is correct as far as you say for the OCA, which is the old Russian Metropolia and was established by Russian missioners in Alaska first. It is the Orthodox Catholic church.

However I am concerned that this person saw something else, there may be some other group cobbing the name, so I think a reference is in order.
 
theistgal said:
There is the Russian Orthodox Church (not in union with Rome), which is one of the major Orthodox Churches.
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Perhaps in common parlance, but the official name in many places is Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic, as Ignatios points out above.
theistgal said:
Then there’s the Russian Greek Catholic Church (in union with Rome).

Both have churches in Alaska, Russia and other places.
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Actually the church in union with Rome is a very small movement, originating in the late 19th century and with no bishops of it’s own, the Pope has not given them any.

And that particular variety has no parishes in Alaska.
 
Hesychios said:
This is correct as far as you say for the OCA, which is the old Russian Metropolia and was established by Russian missioners in Alaska first. It is the Orthodox Catholic church.

However I am concerned that this person saw something else, there may be some other group cobbing the name, so I think a reference is in order.
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I see, I thought maybe she made a mistake and left out the word “Greek” so I assumed that she meant " The Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church", Maybe she needs to look it up again and let us know the exact title.
 
theistgal said:
There is not a “Russian Orthodox Catholic Church” (unless it’s some breakoff splinter group not affiliated with either).

There is the Russian Orthodox Church (not in union with Rome), which is one of the major Orthodox Churches.

Then there’s the Russian Greek Catholic Church (in union with Rome).

Both have churches in Alaska, Russia and other places.

Here is a link to a wonderful Russian Greek Catholic Church called St. Andrew’s, in El Segundo, California, which I’ve visited many times:

standrewelsegundo.org/
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And don’t forget the Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic church in Johnstown, PA too… 😃
 
Jim_Dandy said:
Any Church with the name Orthodox is not Catholic.
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However, the Orthodox consider themselves catholic (with a small “c”) and the Catholics consider themselves orthodox (small “o”), so everything works out eventually. 😉
 
Megan7 said:
Is the Russian Orthodox Catholic Church in Russia & in Alaska with ROME!?
Is this Church under the POPE?

Are there many of these Churches in the US? Which states?
What language is the Mass in?

Thanks!
God Bless!🙂
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No. There are FOUR distinct groups called “Russian Orthodox” in Alaska, and, aside from two families, they are not in communion with Rome. (Those two families attended the Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic parish, and one of them didn’t even realize the parish was in communion until after having several of the children baptized and chrismated there!)

Group 1: OCA
Group 2: ROCOR (Last I checked, parish had one permanent cleric, a Deacon.)
Group 3: Old Believers with priests
Group 4: Old Believers without priests

They have not used Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church officially in many years, but did use that title after Fr. Toth’s schism joined with the RO Church, and possibly before.

I frequently see Old Believers in Anchorage and Eagle River. Speaking in an Alaskan dialect of Russian (pretty close to modern, but not quite the same - especially for modern items).

Again, none of them are in communion with Rome.

Note also: ROCOR is part of the Moscow Patriarchate, but the OCA isn’t, at least not anymore. Tho’ a couple of RO saints, including a patriarch, were part of the ROGCC before the rename to OCA.
 
The original name for the Russian Catholics was “Russian Catholic Orthodox” in 1904.

These Russian Catholic Orthodox insisted on a very pure Byzantine Rite and the Metropolitan actually got Rome to approve their Orthodox Saints for continued liturgical veneration. This Eastern Catholic Church also refused a number of Latin devotions that, in those days, were considered almost mandatory for any Catholic of whatever Rite (i.e. the Sacred Heart feastday).

The original name for the Greek Catholics at Brest in 1596 was “Orthodox in union with Rome” and this is also mentioned by the Orthodox Met. Ilarion Ohienko in a number of places in his publications. It was only under the Austro-Hungarian Empire that the term “Greek-Catholic” was minted to distinguish them from Roman Catholics and also to give the impression that the Eastern Catholics did not have a Particular Church but were completely under Rome and only had their rite (heavily Latinized as it was then) as their distinguishing feature. The only reason why the UGCC clings to “Greek Catholic” is because all of their churches confiscated by the soviets in 1946 and handed over to the ROC were originally registered under that title etc.

A better name for Eastern Catholics would definitely be “Orthodox Catholics” rather than “Greek Catholics” or even “Eastern Catholics” since the term “Orthodox” best describes our ecclesial and spiritual identity.

Alex
 
Aramis said:
No. There are FOUR distinct groups called “Russian Orthodox” in Alaska, and, aside from two families, they are not in communion with Rome. (Those two families attended the Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic parish, and one of them didn’t even realize the parish was in communion until after having several of the children baptized and chrismated there!)

Group 1: OCA
Group 2: ROCOR (Last I checked, parish had one permanent cleric, a Deacon.)
Group 3: Old Believers with priests
Group 4: Old Believers without priests

They have not used Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church officially in many years, but did use that title after Fr. Toth’s schism joined with the RO Church, and possibly before.

I frequently see Old Believers in Anchorage and Eagle River. Speaking in an Alaskan dialect of Russian (pretty close to modern, but not quite the same - especially for modern items).

Again, none of them are in communion with Rome.

Note also: ROCOR is part of the Moscow Patriarchate, but the OCA isn’t, at least not anymore. Tho’ a couple of RO saints, including a patriarch, were part of the ROGCC before the rename to OCA.
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Just as a side note, not all of ROCOR accepted the union with the Moscow Patriarch (MP). At the time when many of the ROCORs bishops sought out communion with the MP, ROCOR broke out into factions and today you have 2 or possibly 3 ROCOR groups rejecting the union with the MP and 1 group who are now in communion with the MP. For example, this ROCOR synod of bishops are not in communion with World Orthodoxy but are in communion with the Old Calendarist Cyprianites and I think another couple of synods as well. Here’s their website:
sinod.ruschurchabroad.org/engindex.htm

I’m not sure though which of the synods of ROCOR have parishes in Alaska though.
 
Alexander_Roman said:
The original name for the Russian Catholics was “Russian Catholic Orthodox” in 1904.

These Russian Catholic Orthodox insisted on a very pure Byzantine Rite and the Metropolitan actually got Rome to approve their Orthodox Saints for continued liturgical veneration. This Eastern Catholic Church also refused a number of Latin devotions that, in those days, were considered almost mandatory for any Catholic of whatever Rite (i.e. the Sacred Heart feastday).

***The original name for the Greek Catholics at Brest in 1596 was “Orthodox in union with Rome” and this is also mentioned by the Orthodox Met. Ilarion Ohienko in a number of places in his publications. *** It was only under the Austro-Hungarian Empire that the term “Greek-Catholic” was minted to distinguish them from Roman Catholics and also to give the impression that the Eastern Catholics did not have a Particular Church but were completely under Rome and only had their rite (heavily Latinized as it was then) as their distinguishing feature. The only reason why the UGCC clings to “Greek Catholic” is because all of their churches confiscated by the soviets in 1946 and handed over to the ROC were originally registered under that title etc.

A better name for Eastern Catholics would definitely be “Orthodox Catholics” rather than “Greek Catholics” or even “Eastern Catholics” since the term “Orthodox” best describes our ecclesial and spiritual identity.

Alex
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Another great reason for using the term “Orthodox in communion with Rome”! 😃
 
RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH ROME

You ask about Russian Orthodox WITH Rome, but I think there is interesting about Russian Orthodox in Rome. Has just opened after 4 years building a new Russian church in center of Rome from which Vaticana is to be seen. This is church named after the Great Holy Martyr Ekaterina. Here are some pictures. When this Temple opened there was special Vatican exposition of Russian music including by Mitropolit Ilarion and many cardinales came to sacralization of inside.

http://www.stcaterina.org/imagelib/143/dsc_2931_m.jpg

http://www.stcaterina.org/imagelib/133/img_4240_m.jpg

http://www.stcaterina.org/imagelib/143/2804_m.jpg
 
Jim_Dandy said:
Any Church with the name Orthodox is not Catholic.
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Unless the appellation “in communion with Rome” is attached. There are Catholic parishes in Russia that (correctly) use the title “Orthodox in communion with Rome”. I googled an Orthodox blog that was having a field day complaining about this, but I couldn’t find a link.
 
Beautiful church, is the church outside appearance really a byzantine art? i looks like a mosque except for the cross, i dont know if the current appearance of orthodox churches were influenced by the Ottoman Art or vice versa
Volodymyr said:
RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH ROME

You ask about Russian Orthodox WITH Rome, but I think there is interesting about Russian Orthodox in Rome. Has just opened after 4 years building a new Russian church in center of Rome from which Vaticana is to be seen. This is church named after the Great Holy Martyr Ekaterina. Here are some pictures. When this Temple opened there was special Vatican exposition of Russian music including by Mitropolit Ilarion and many cardinales came to sacralization of inside.

http://www.stcaterina.org/imagelib/143/dsc_2931_m.jpg

http://www.stcaterina.org/imagelib/133/img_4240_m.jpg

http://www.stcaterina.org/imagelib/143/2804_m.jpg
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marlo said:
Beautiful church, is the church outside appearance really a byzantine art? i looks like a mosque except for the cross, i dont know if the current appearance of orthodox churches were influenced by the Ottoman Art or vice versa
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Well, since many churches were converted into mosques during the 700 years leading to the fall of Constantinople, I wouldn’t be surprised if mosque construction in the Ottoman Empire was influenced by Eastern Christian architecture (compare, for example, the Sultan Ahmed Mosque with the Hagia Sophia). I will say, however, that Russian church architecture looks to me rather different from what we would call classical Byzantine architecture, which one could rightfully call Romanesque (let us remember that the Byzantines never really called themselves Byzantines; they didn’t just wake up one day during the reign of Justinian I and decide, “let’s stop being Romans and start being Byzantines,” that’s just a distinction that modern scholars have invented).

Mosques are also surprisingly versatile in the shapes they’ll take (mosques built in China by the native Chinese Muslims, for example, were built in the Chinese aesthetic), so I wouldn’t be surprised if there are similarities between Russian church architecture and some mosques out there (the onion-shaped domes, for example, are particularly distinctive features that both share). It’s a likely product of centuries of interaction between these different groups of people in the near East, so that it’s really hard to trace who exactly came up with the idea first
 
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