Russian-Orthodox-tell-Archbishop-of-Canterbury-ordain-women-bishops-and-you-can-forget-about-unity
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IgnatianPhilo
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He’s totally right too.
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pablope
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Well…isn’t delivering this blunt message a tad little too late? It should have been delivered when they started ordaining women priests…
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SAVINGRACE
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I don’t understand why we have this ‘ecumencism’ with other christians who are not Catholic or Eastern Orthodox.
We utterly confuse those who already protest, hate and/or diminish the Christian faith e.g. they don’t see why we shouldn’t follow the Anglicans and ordain women or gays or support gay marriage or the multiple contradicting doctrines of other christian communities. This category of person, whether it is an academic or a journalist or a public personality does not have the time or inclination to research the differences, when they are in the spotlight they use non-Catholic doctrines to justify their position which only serves to strengthen immoral laws, their arguments and policies, it muddies the waters and the views of the general public.
Through their narrow prism the Catholic Church is showing a sign of unity with these other denoms. whose doctrines may be frankly, heretical.
Shouldn’t the Catholic Church stand apart, as a beacon of Truth?
We utterly confuse those who already protest, hate and/or diminish the Christian faith e.g. they don’t see why we shouldn’t follow the Anglicans and ordain women or gays or support gay marriage or the multiple contradicting doctrines of other christian communities. This category of person, whether it is an academic or a journalist or a public personality does not have the time or inclination to research the differences, when they are in the spotlight they use non-Catholic doctrines to justify their position which only serves to strengthen immoral laws, their arguments and policies, it muddies the waters and the views of the general public.
Through their narrow prism the Catholic Church is showing a sign of unity with these other denoms. whose doctrines may be frankly, heretical.
Shouldn’t the Catholic Church stand apart, as a beacon of Truth?
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ComeHome2Rome
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:clapping::clapping::clapping:
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SAVINGRACE
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28 of the 38 provinces of the Anglican Communion by 2012 ordained women as priests and 17 have removed all barriers to women becoming bishops.
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Holly3278
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The Catholic Church most certainly does not condone the false doctrines of other religions but it does praise the good and true parts of those religions. Therefore I do not see how ecumenism could be the same thing as endorsing heretical doctrines.
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Good for him
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NeedImprovement
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The error-sowing *wolf * in these cases loves to hide under the *sheep’s clothing *of *human rights *and inclusiveness at least the severely maligned notion of these which is being pushd by the mainstream media today. Eventually it creates enough confusion to blur the line between what people are supposed to believe and are not supposed to believe . So a lot get duped or at least intimidated by this babble, because as soon as they start to think for themselves, they are quickly labeled,*prejudicial, judgmental *and/or discriminatory . . . that is, by the accusers’ own standards - not God’s.
Some of the fluffy BS they come up with can be quite convincing on the surface too.
We’ve been given , as justification , little nuggets such as :
( I can’t help but like this one : first he says he doesn’t have his hand in the cookie jar but then admits to having crumbs on his fingers [sounds a little like me in the Confessional]
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Election of lesbian agitates Anglicans
ladiocese.org/bishop/glasspool.html
I sure would not like to be an Anglican - :dts: - especially today. How can anyone be expected to know what they are supposed to believe when the guidlines are continually shifting to accomodate , um , "differences of opinion " ?
While this particular nugget from Australia’s third female anglican bishop also looks pretty on the surface ,
Is not Our Blessed Lord Himself, the supreme gift of women in His service ? . . . A gift given us by Mary - at her “Fiat” ? . . . and on that same note , what about His and Our Blessed Mother ? “** I am the handmaid of the Lord : Be it done unto me according to your word **.”
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. . . Not only service, but profound humility too.
The gift of self is the greatest gift .
Men and women are absolutely equal in dignity yet different in function. These differences run soul-deep. How narrow-minded it seems ,that rather than celebrating those differences - which compliment each other , some faiths would choose to pit man and woman against each other instead.
While the Russian Orthodox are spot on - mess with ordination and you move away from unity , let’s not overlook the fact that this whole mess is causing more than several disgruntled Anglicans to exchange that floundering faith for a more solid footing in a Catholic home. Pope emeritus Benedict XVI did his utmost to prepare a “welcome mat” for them (from first linked article in this post)
Some of the fluffy BS they come up with can be quite convincing on the surface too.
We’ve been given , as justification , little nuggets such as :
( I can’t help but like this one : first he says he doesn’t have his hand in the cookie jar but then admits to having crumbs on his fingers [sounds a little like me in the Confessional]
). . . that, by the outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury ( a little too “outgoing” , it would appear).
Now they appear to have it all in one package, and it is causing even more division among them. Actually , this same case tells us it is already at the point in the Episcopal church where women bishops are ordaining women bishops :
Election of lesbian agitates Anglicans
ladiocese.org/bishop/glasspool.html
I sure would not like to be an Anglican - :dts: - especially today. How can anyone be expected to know what they are supposed to believe when the guidlines are continually shifting to accomodate , um , "differences of opinion " ?
While this particular nugget from Australia’s third female anglican bishop also looks pretty on the surface ,
We can’t help but wonder when ever "gifts of women" were not “being recognized and confirmed as being able to be used in Christ’s service.” If we think about it, we discover it has actually been there since the beginning :
Is not Our Blessed Lord Himself, the supreme gift of women in His service ? . . . A gift given us by Mary - at her “Fiat” ? . . . and on that same note , what about His and Our Blessed Mother ? “** I am the handmaid of the Lord : Be it done unto me according to your word **.”
. . .
. . . Not only service, but profound humility too.The gift of self is the greatest gift .
Men and women are absolutely equal in dignity yet different in function. These differences run soul-deep. How narrow-minded it seems ,that rather than celebrating those differences - which compliment each other , some faiths would choose to pit man and woman against each other instead.
While the Russian Orthodox are spot on - mess with ordination and you move away from unity , let’s not overlook the fact that this whole mess is causing more than several disgruntled Anglicans to exchange that floundering faith for a more solid footing in a Catholic home. Pope emeritus Benedict XVI did his utmost to prepare a “welcome mat” for them (from first linked article in this post)
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livingwordunity
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I’m glad they are with us on this. I’ve noticed that clergy in openly “gay” relationships is always what comes with “women’s ordination”.
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aidanbradypop
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Sounds fair to me.
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GKC
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GKC
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There are Anglican jurisdictions not in the Communion (primarily the Continuum), which mainly do not put females in sacerdotal garments.
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The Anglican Communion has unleashed a cancer upon itself by ordaining women priests. I suspect that God will treat us like he treated his people the Israelites in the Old Testament until they turned and repented, and I suspect English and other Anglican groups will have to reform themselves back to God’s ways before it is too late. The ghetto for those of us against women’s ordination in England is becoming ever more cramped, but it is not our churches that are emAs fptying but those of the liberals.
As for the Eastern Orthodox, we would love unity with them. Between 1922 and 1976, Eastern Orthodox Christians living in the West could obtain permission from their bishops to receive communion in Anglican churches. This all stopped when the United States Episcopal Church started “ordaining” women as priests. This decision has subsequently led to the apostasy of that church, after the likes of V. Gene Robinson is ordained, and Katharine Jefferts Schori, the baritone, politically correct, servant of the dark lord became their primate.
The universal Church has never authorized any of this innovation. It is time for us to confess our sins to God and turn back to his ways. For more on Eastern Orthodox-Anglican relations, see the excellent blog “The Continuum”:
anglicancontinuum.blogspot.co.uk/2006/05/orthodoxy-and-anglicanism-in-road.html
Note that classical Anglicanism is closer theologically to Eastern Orthodoxy, in many ways, than is Roman Catholicism. Compare the Liturgy of St Tikhon with the ‘Anglican Use’ liturgy adopted by the Church of Rome’s former Anglicans - the Easterns have kept much more of the 1928 Prayer Book, including that Christ’s death upon the cross was his ‘(one oblation of himself once offered) a full, perfect and sufficient sacrifice, oblation and satisfaction for the sins of the whole world’.
Even groups like ACNA need to take heed of this advice. There are rumours that Archbishop Robert Duncan now realizes that the ordination of women is wrong, but real progress has yet to be made.
As for the Eastern Orthodox, we would love unity with them. Between 1922 and 1976, Eastern Orthodox Christians living in the West could obtain permission from their bishops to receive communion in Anglican churches. This all stopped when the United States Episcopal Church started “ordaining” women as priests. This decision has subsequently led to the apostasy of that church, after the likes of V. Gene Robinson is ordained, and Katharine Jefferts Schori, the baritone, politically correct, servant of the dark lord became their primate.
The universal Church has never authorized any of this innovation. It is time for us to confess our sins to God and turn back to his ways. For more on Eastern Orthodox-Anglican relations, see the excellent blog “The Continuum”:
anglicancontinuum.blogspot.co.uk/2006/05/orthodoxy-and-anglicanism-in-road.html
Note that classical Anglicanism is closer theologically to Eastern Orthodoxy, in many ways, than is Roman Catholicism. Compare the Liturgy of St Tikhon with the ‘Anglican Use’ liturgy adopted by the Church of Rome’s former Anglicans - the Easterns have kept much more of the 1928 Prayer Book, including that Christ’s death upon the cross was his ‘(one oblation of himself once offered) a full, perfect and sufficient sacrifice, oblation and satisfaction for the sins of the whole world’.
Even groups like ACNA need to take heed of this advice. There are rumours that Archbishop Robert Duncan now realizes that the ordination of women is wrong, but real progress has yet to be made.
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GKC
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As I understand it, there is a moratorium in those parts of the ACNA who do such things, for a period of discernment. A period of discernment is something to watch warily, but I’m hopeful.
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SAVINGRACE
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That is not what I am arguing. Read my post again. What ecumencism does is it GIVES THE APPEARANCE to onlookers that we support heretical doctrines because these observers, commentators, general public and anti-religious types could not be bothered researching the differences or the official church stance. They read an article about the feelgood ecumenical gathering and suppose that this group of people have a lot in common.
I know and you know that the CC does not endorse heretical doctrines but the man on the street watching a 5minute newspot or reading a 100word article doesn’t. That is why the majority of our critics do not understand why we don’t just follow the lead of the Anglicans and endorse women or openly gay priests.
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