Russian punk band 'blasphemy' trial - thoughts?

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Uhm, the alternative to Putin are the communists. I think I don’t need to tell anyone here that the Orthodox Church has had some negative experiences with the communists in the past, so of course they support Putin.
Should not Church teaching challenge all political ideologies and structures?

Supporting a tyrannical oligarchy which just so happens to be for the Church hierarchy often puts the Church in question into a very sticky situation.
 
Should not Church teaching challenge all political ideologies and structures?

Supporting a tyrannical oligarchy which just so happens to be for the Church hierarchy often puts the Church in question into a very sticky situation.
The Church supported Constantine against Licinius. Both were tyrants, but only one persecuted the Church.
 
The Church supported Constantine against Licinius. Both were tyrants, but only one persecuted the Church.
I’m thinking of the Church’s support of Franco, or in Latin America how the hierarchy supported the dictatorships.
 
Supporting the Church does not mean that the Church should support him. Putin is a tyrant.
And the Communists, the second biggest party, are the heroes of democracy and totally respect freedom of religion :rolleyes:
 
And the Communists, the second biggest party, are the heroes of democracy and totally respect freedom of religion :rolleyes:
They don’t need to endorse any political party. But they shouldn’t put blinders on and pretend that Putin is somehow a great guy just because he hasn’t crushed the Church.
 
What P*ssy Riot did was wrong.
  • Freedom of worship is a (universally recognised) fundamental human right. P-Riot disrupted that right for other people. The international community condemns nations which mess with peoples fundamental rights, so no-one should praise it or portray it as harmless in miniature.
  • They also caused alarm (to those who were present) which is the defintion (in the UK) of a “breach of the peace” (most countries have similar laws).
So there is very much a case for them to answer.

It is frankly infantile to suggest that any punishment for these crimes mean the Orthodox Church and Russian State are unhealithy close.

At the end of the day, neither Patriarch Krill or President Putin were the victims.

The victims were the ordinary people who had their prayers disrupted and were offended by this behaviour in a sacred place. (and those who were disgusted by reading about it in the news).

What if there had been a body lying in state, or a funeral in progress when they descended on the Church? Would they have had the decency / nous to change their plan? I am not so sure.

Ironically, the band’s problem is putin, not the orthodox church. Their choice of location was entirely erroneous - it was an easy, unrelated target, which they knew would garner cheap publicity, this was not a brave or bold act.

The only people who defend this are people who have no respect for anything, and do not value the feelings of others.

The only news outlet giving it much coverage in the UK is the Guardian, which is viciously anti-clerical and childishly champions every such vaucous act of puerile attention seeking. Essentially, its a newspaper (more a comic) for hateful, mixed-up people from the fringes of society. No-one else is interested.

P-Riot should get a fair trial and an appropriate punishment for their crimes.

Someone suggested elsewhere that each doing several hundred hours of cleaning work in Orthodox Churches might be sufficient. (with the results posted on you-tube of course).

The incident reminds me of when gay HIV+ group ACT-UP disrupted a Catholic mass at St Patricks Cathedral in New York. They threw used-condoms about and the eucharist on the floor. It was a PR disaster and only earned them the abject revulsion of any decent person.
 
I’m thinking of the Church’s support of Franco, or in Latin America how the hierarchy supported the dictatorships.
Regarding the Spanish Civil War - Who would you support?

The Soviet-backed side which murdered about 7,000 Catholic priests and nuns, destroyed Churches and persecuted the faithful,

OR

The other guy (Franco) whom the western democracies (UK, US, France) also supported and sent aid?

The Spanish Civil War is an amazing example of media revisionism.

Franco is remember as a brutal dictator, in cahoots with Hilter, Mussolini and the Church. That the Western Democracies also supported him is conveniently forgotten.

The many atrocities of the communist-anarchist side in the conflcit are also conveniently swept under the carpet.

The Church was right to support Franco.

Imo, General Franscisco Franco was a great man. The Spanish can thank him for having their modern, stable, first-world state.

If the communist-anarchist side won, Spain would long since have been a failed state (as per the ultimate fate of their Soviet backers).
 
Russia should deal with it as they see fit. It was a deeply offensive. .
I agree. How can you have freedom of worship when you have thugs and criminals invading your churches and disrupting your prayer?
 
Regarding the Spanish Civil War - Who would you support?

The Soviet-backed side which murdered about 7,000 Catholic priests and nuns, destroyed Churches and persecuted the faithful,

OR

The other guy (Franco) whom the western democracies (UK, US, France) also supported and sent aid?

The Spanish Civil War is an amazing example of media revisionism.

Franco is remember as a brutal dictator, in cahoots with Hilter, Mussolini and the Church. That the Western Democracies also supported him is conveniently forgotten.

The many atrocities of the communist-anarchist side in the conflcit are also conveniently swept under the carpet.

The Church was right to support Franco.

Imo, General Franscisco Franco was a great man. The Spanish can thank him for having their modern, stable, first-world state.

If the communist-anarchist side won, Spain would long since have been a failed state (as per the ultimate fate of their Soviet backers).
Franco was a fascist backed by Nazi Germany.

Sometimes evil is on both sides.

The western democracies backed Franco because they were worried about Communism.

As Catholics we need to avoid either/or in politics. Both/and is the default Catholic response.

Both Fascism and Communism were wrong, and both need to be challenged.
 
If they literally stormed into a church and started doing that on the altar then they deserve all the hell they are getting. I don’t care if what they say is right or not, they committed breaking and entering. You have free speech outside of the walls of the church but once you cross that line you deserve some jail time. If I don’t like what you have to say I should have the ability to plug my ears up and not listen to it. But if you pull the plugs out and continue to scream then them are some fighting words.
 
If they literally stormed into a church and started doing that on the altar then they deserve all the hell they are getting. I don’t care if what they say is right or not, they committed breaking and entering. You have free speech outside of the walls of the church but once you cross that line you deserve some jail time.
I agree. They are disrupting the peace inside a Church, which is very wrong and deserves punishment.
What they did was a whole lot worse than for someone to steal a slice of pizza. And in the USA, you can get life imprisonment for such.
sfgate.com/news/article/Stealing-one-slice-of-pizza-results-in-life-3150629.php
 
Well, they’ve already spent five months in a Russian prison…🤷
 
guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/31/god-is-judging-*****-riot

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The three women have said they performed their anti-Putin “punk prayer” to protest against the decision of the leader of the Orthodox church, Patriarch Kirill, to openly support Putin in the lead-up to presidential elections in March. Chaplin denied any such support. The patriarch has repeatedly praised Putin and denounced protesters who have taken to the streets against him. In February, two weeks before ***** Riot’s performance, he called the Putin era "a miracle of God

If this is true then the Archbishop is acting as Putin’s Poodle (of the female gender).
What makes it even funnier (in a dark morbid way) is that Putin is a former KGB agent.
 
Originally Posted by Seamus L
Femen have also protested at the Vatican and this year’s European Football Championship. Illustrating the complete absurdity of feminism, they oppose the exploitation of women, by having a group of attractive young women expose there bodies in public.

There is one word to describe their absurdity:
Hypocrisy!
Not everyone thinks that there is something shameful/wrong about women being seen in public.

Or do you think that (exposed) Skin=Sin?
 
Originally Posted by Seamus L
I kinda like Putin, or should I say more accurately, I sympathise with him on a number of issues. I think it’s good that Russia has a leader who will stand up to NATO and the West.
He is unlike the president of the Philippines, that’s for sure.
My country’s president loves to bend over backwards when it comes to emulating Western fads such as homosexism, contraception and divorce.
Hasn’t the Philippines just gone from doing that for the Catholic Church to doing it for the secular West then?
 
Not everyone thinks that there is something shameful/wrong about women being seen in public.

Or do you think that (exposed) Skin=Sin?
The problem is not about women being seen in public.
The problem is that the feminists in question hate the idea of women being objectified and yet they did expose the women in an objectifying manner.
 
Hasn’t the Philippines just gone from doing that for the Catholic Church to doing it for the secular West then?
The problem is, for the president to try and impose some Western fads is not helpful for the country. And yes, he’s doing that because he knows that he’ll get help from the U.N. as well as the U.S. if he acquiesces.
 
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