Russian punk band 'blasphemy' trial - thoughts?

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you have to replace ***** in the link with the P word 🙂 CAF automatically blocks the word
 
The link itself is bad but the article is there. Scroll down and look at “archives” on the right.
 
Well considering that we in the West have a different world view from those in the East. The west is pretty much secular, and we tend to view the world from that perspective, including those who are religious.
 
bpcatholic said:
Well considering that we in the West have a different world view from those in the East. The west is pretty much secular, and we tend to view the world from that perspective, including those who are religious.
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The West is not more secular than the east.
 
Becket1 said:
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/9483822/*****-riot-jailed-Vladimir-Putin-faces-international-outcry.html

What a joke!!. A sacred place was used as a place for mockery and the West outcrys!. If this were secular institute, the reverse would happen. Now is the time for traditional Catholics to pray for Russia. The government did the right thing, and it’s an outcry to the secular atheistic West!.
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I haven’t read that latest article, so I won’t agree or disagree with what you said about it. I just want to point out that there are already 2 threads on the subject, so I think we could just continue posting on them without starting any more. They are:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=698255
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forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=9662250
 
I’m actually surprised the band got a trial so quickly. I have known some Russians to “sit” for quite a while before trial.
 
I see no problem throwing them into jail. For the USA, two years would be rather harsh, but the criminal act should be punished. You simply can no be allowed to go and desecrate a Church and go unpunished. This is not a free speech issue. This is a crime of breeching the public peace.
 
I find it funny (and not “ha ha” funny) that the supporters of the band usually point to the political influence or very close relationship between the ROC and the state to show that there are reasonable grounds for staging this kind of “protest” as they did and where they did. So, if the Russian Orthodox Church is involved in politics, it is bad and evil and corrupt, but when a group of snotty brats defile the Church and blaspheme against the faith, that is a GOOD political act? We should praise one and condemn the other? If that’s true, I think the people who support the group on “Freedom of Speech” grounds have got the identities mixed up…unless of course they want to say that some group of girls can have their opinion, but the MP can’t have his…

It seems like there’s an anti-clerical bent to the way people are looking at this issue. As usual, the Church is bad and evil and hypocritical, but the “little guy” (or woman, in this case) who stands up to them (by doing what? singing the worst song in the world?) is a hero, even if they use much more vile tactics than anyone on the side of the church does. The MP apparently called Putin’s victory a miracle of God or something like that, and the world is OUTRAGED at the ‘hypocrisy’ (does this word even mean anything anymore?)…but these girls sing their blasphemous and idiotic “song” (on church property, illegally) and the world eats it up as though they stood up against the tanks at Tian An Men square!

St. Antony was right; the world is crazy.
 
The American media conveniently seems to forget this fact . . . (though two years in jail? That’s a bit unnecessary, I think.)
 
Thank-you, thank-you,thank-you Marina Syrova ,for handing down a sentence which makes sense in an age when anarchist nonsense seems to rule in the so called ‘’ free world’’.
 
Did these silly girls destroy any Church property or desecrate the Eucharist or something? NOPE!
They ran up and did a little dance and said some bad stuff. Big deal. So what?!?

They should be given a little community service at the Church for causing that disturbance.

I can’t believe all of the support that I see here for the stupid Putin/Russian (KGB) commie government that sentences people to 7 years in prison for a little stunt like this.

I thought this was a forum mostly of Catholic Christians. Those girls didn’t harm anyone. Where’s the forgiveness?

PRISON?? SERIOUSLY?? :frighten:
 
Nigel7 said:
I can’t believe all of the support that I see here for the stupid Putin/Russian (KGB) commie government that sentences people to 7 years in prison for a little stunt like this.

I thought this was a forum mostly of Catholic Christians. Those girls didn’t harm anyone. Where’s the forgiveness?
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It was two years. If you read what most people have said, I think you will find that few agree with the length of the sentence. It was not the Eucharist that was desecrated, it was the Sanctuary. That is illegal. Churches are not public forums for immoral speech and behavior. Police do have the right to arrest and punish for breech of the public order.

Since this is in fact a Catholic Christian forum, it is not appropriate to question others Christianity when no one has posted contrary to Catholic moral teaching.
 
Nigel7 said:
Did these silly girls destroy any Church property or desecrate the Eucharist or something? NOPE!
They ran up and did a little dance and said some bad stuff. Big deal. So what?!?
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They compared our Lord and Savior Christ to fecal matter. “So what?”
They should be given a little community service at the Church for causing that disturbance.
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Russia is not the USA.
I can’t believe all of the support that I see here for the stupid Putin/Russian (KGB) commie government that sentences people to 7 years in prison for a little stunt like this
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Russia is also not the Soviet Union. The KGB is long gone (it’s the FSB now), the government has not been “commie” since 1991, and it was 2 years, not 7 years.
I thought this was a forum mostly of Catholic Christians. Those girls didn’t harm anyone. Where’s the forgiveness?
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Russian Orthodox Church forgives Russian band

From the article:
“We are simply praying and hoping that these young women and all these people shouting in front of the court building, committing sacrilegious acts not only in Russia but in other countries, realize that their acts are awful,” he (Archpriest Maxim Kozlov) said. “And despite this the church is asking for mercy within the limits of law.”
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PRISON?? SERIOUSLY?? :frighten:
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Yes, seriously. Heaven forbid someone take Christianity and our holy places seriously, even in big, bad, scary Russia. :rolleyes:

Once again, I applaud the Russian authorities for prosecuting these hooligans. Maybe next time they’ll think twice before staging one of their immature and vile little “protests” inside the property of the Russian Orthodox Church (though all this publicity is probably feeding their egos and inspiring other idiots to do similar acts; Lord have mercy).
 
pnewton said:
It was two years. If you read what most people have said, I think you will find that few agree with the length of the sentence. It was not the Eucharist that was desecrated, it was the Sanctuary. That is illegal. Churches are not public forums for immoral speech and behavior. Police do have the right to arrest and punish for breech of the public order.
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As I said; They created a disturbance, so give them community service. No property was damaged and nobody was harmed. Silly girls doing a song and dance. So what. Give them community service at the Church and show them kindness there and they’ll probably fall in love with it.

But instead of mercy and love and forgiveness you rather defend the actions of this tyrannical Putin government which throws these girls into a Russian prison for years. That is Christian? Really?
Since this is in fact a Catholic Christian forum, it is not appropriate to question others Christianity when no one has posted contrary to Catholic moral teaching.
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Ahh, so dragging these girls behind cars and then throwing what’s left of them into prison for eternity is Catholic moral teaching? Mmkay pnewton. That’s probably the harshest example, but I’ve seen several examples in this thread of people posting “contrary to Catholic moral teaching”, to say the least.
 
Nigel7 said:
But instead of mercy and love and forgiveness you rather defend the actions of this tyrannical Putin government which throws these girls into a Russian prison for years. That is Christian? Really?

Ahh, so dragging these girls behind cars and then throwing what’s left of them into prison for eternity is Catholic moral teaching? Mmkay pnewton.
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Perhaps you should refrain not only from your judgementalism, but also your attempt to rephrase what other people actual think. You did a terrible job in rephrasing both my position and the actual facts of the case. When one makes up a new position by exaggeration and lies that is obviously wrong, it is called a strawman argument.

But for the record, just in case you really have a difficult time understanding others, I do not think dragging girls behind cars ant throwing them into prison for eternity is Catholic moral teaching. Fortunately for me, I never said it was.

Anymore strawmen I should agree to?
 
Blatant sophistry, pnewton. Misleading and fallacious. You are accusing me of that which only you are indeed guilty of. Namely lies and putting words into others mouths. I did not claim that YOU said ANYTHING. Read!
Talk about a “straw man”. Utter nonsense.

I never said that you claimed that it was right to drag anyone behind a car.

Look.

You said…
pnewton said:
Since this is in fact a Catholic Christian forum, it is not appropriate to question others Christianity when NO ONE has posted contrary to Catholic moral teaching.
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And then I merely pointed out that OTHERS had indeed “posted contrary to Catholic moral teaching” on this matter. As in the case of the fellow who said that these girls should be dragged behind a car.
Nowhere did I attribute that to you.
READ, pnewton. COMPREHEND.
pnewton said:
But for the record, just in case you really have a difficult time understanding others, I do not think dragging girls behind cars ant throwing them into prison for eternity is Catholic moral teaching. Fortunately for me, I never said it was.

Anymore strawmen I should agree to?
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Again, you need to point out where I said that you claimed such a thing. You cannot, however, since surely I did no such thing. I only demonstrated that others had indeed made posts which go “contrary to Catholic teaching”.

Sophistry, pnewton, in its weakest form. Misleading and fallacious. Straw man indeed.
 
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