"Sacramento crowd pulls down, sets fire to Saint Junipero Serra statue, beats it with sledgehammer." Report

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At the rate they’re going, the statues won’t exist much longer unless they are moved from public squares to Church grounds for protection, in my opinion.

I just wish state governments had more backbone and resolve to halt this kind of horrible conduct by the vandals.
 
There is a rhyme and a reason.

This racism rhetoric is a smoke screen. These people want to tear down the current system and replace it with a different one. All the dressings of the old regime are targets.
 
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Sacramento crowd pulls down, sets fire to Serra statue, beats it with sledgehammer - California Catholic Daily

“One man burned the face of the Serra statue with an ignited spray from an aerosol can, before it was pulled from its base using tow straps. After the statue fell, members of the crowd struck the statue with a sledgehammer and other objects, dancing and jumping upon it.”
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“Statues of Serra, the 18th century Franciscan friar who served as principal architect of the California mission system during the era of Spanish colonization, have long been a flashpoint among indigenous activists. The mission system was designed to convert and acculturate the Native population to Catholicism and European culture, and this was done by confining them to missions up and down the coast. Natives who tried to escape were captured. Those who disobeyed were beaten. Indigenous beliefs and customs were banned…The Los Angeles action was peaceful — no police were present — and the vibe was more familial ceremony than protest.”


Did anyone check why it was pulled down?
 
He did nothing wrong. He defended natives from the the Spanish soldiers who sought them harm (and that wasn’t all of them) and yes, he sought to convert them and end the aspects of their culture incompatible with Catholicism. As well he should. Not all cultures are equal, and one of the things he put a stop to was infanticide and human sacrifice. He is one of Gods saints and the natives should be glad he fought so hard to save the souls of their ancestors.
 
Well, the pagans won this one, physically at least.

" Tataviam/Chumash elder Alan Salazar burned sage and invoked the spirit of his ancestors, a group of young activists bound the nearby statue of Father Junipero Serra with ropes and tore him off his pedestal to chants of “Take it down! Take it down!”

This destruction of Christian symbols is an expression of what these pagans would do to Christians themselves if they could. One is reminded of St. Isaac Jogues tortured by the Mohawks:
the Mohawk beat Jogues with sticks, tore out his fingernails, then gnawed the ends of his fingers until finger bones were visible.[9] The war party then took their captives on a journey to a Mohawk village. There, the villagers marched them through a gauntlet, which consisted of rows of Iroquois armed with rods and sticks beating the prisoners walking in single-file. Afterwards, the Iroquois forced Jogues and the prisoners onto an elevated platform where they were mocked. A captive Algonquin woman then cut off Jogues’ thumb. At night, the prisoners were tied spread-eagled in a cabin. Children threw burning coals onto their bodies. Three days later, Jogues and the prisoners were marched from one village to another, where the Iroquois flogged them in gauntlets, and jabbed sticks into their wounds and sores"
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I did, I am well aware. It is a sin against the first commandment to do this though, so it is degenerate nonetheless.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
Well, the pagans won this one, physically at least.

" Tataviam/Chumash elder Alan Salazar burned sage and invoked the spirit of his ancestors, a group of young activists bound the nearby statue of Father Junipero Serra with ropes and tore him off his pedestal to chants of “Take it down! Take it down!”

This destruction of Christian symbols is an expression of what these pagans would do to Christians themselves if they could. One is reminded…
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I’m sure one is reminded…

What a nonsensical post. Is that your response to what could be seen by reasonable people as justifiable grievances? ‘Hey, but look what these Indians did to this guy!’ It doesn’t sound in the slightest as if you’d even want to be prepared to discuss the problems of colonianism and the impact on indigenous people.
 
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The mob in California and others like it kind of remind me of the French Revolution where everything from the religious and ruling classes was considered evil and had to be destroyed. Hopefully, people with backbone will stop it before it gets that far.
 
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The mob in California and others like it kind of remind me of the French Revolution where everything from the religious and ruling classes was considered evil and had to be destroyed. Hopefully, people with backbone will stop it before it gets that far.
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So the original people of a land making a point about the iniquities of colonianism reminds you of the working classes rising up against an unjust monarchy. And you might note that the ‘mob’ to which you referred were themselves religious.

I’m trying to draw some parallels here and coming up empty.
 
Perhaps we have totally different world views.

To me, the biggest parallel to the French Revolution is the unbridled out of control vandalism of the mobs in desecrating religious and other statues. In the case of the French Revolution, that’s how things got started and spiraled out of control from there. The cancellation culture that tries to shame anyone with an opposing view is happening before our eyes in the U.S.

If the mobs were truly wanting to change things, they would do it through legal democratic legislative initiatives that people could vote on — like removing an unpopular statue instead of just toppling them over, which is an illegal act of vandalism.
 
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Well at least the mob wasn’t from the city named after the Most Blessed Sacrament, where it tore down the statue of a Saint …

Oh, my bad.
 
Tommy999 said:
Perhaps we have a totally different world views.

To me, the biggest parallel to the French Revolution is the unbridled out of control vandalism of the mobs in desecrating religious and other statues. In the case of the French Revolution, that’s how things got started and spiraled out of control from there. The cancellation culture that tries to shame anyone with an opposing view is happening before our eyes in the U.S.

If the mobs were truly wanting to change things, they would do it through legal democratic legislative initiatives that people could vote on — like removing an unpopular statue instead of just toppling them over, which is an illegal act of vandalism.
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Do you know about the objections to having Serra even canonised? And the many objections to his statue being erected? I’d guess not. Just as I wasn’t until I started reading about him. But now I do know. And I know that all objections were ignored. I’ll be generous here and say that he himself was honoured but what he stood for in the eyes of the original inhabitants was dismissed as being not relevant.

Hence a real feeling of injustice amongst the local Indians. Because they feel it was the most relevant thing about him. And what he represented.

If people are unaware of a grievance or worse, ignore it, then it will fester. And may well result in the people who hold that grievance taking some action that raises that awareness. And it has. We all know a little more about the situation.

And I for one have a lot of sympathy with the locals even if I would prefer them not to have felt they needed to do it. It would be nice to hear that from others.
 
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