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damooster
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Yeah, you better duck!
All kidding aside, that was a great video. Thanks for sharing the link.
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CatholicFireman
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LOL. Thanks. That’s why I chose the Traditional Catholicism forum. I guess if anybody has a beef, they can complain to Corpus Christi Watershed. 
Glad you liked it.
Glad you liked it.
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GloriousOrder
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Oh dear! The people who embrace relativism won’t like this at all. Why, music which adheres more and more to Gregorian Chant rules out African drumming and the use of kazoos. Even worse, when you say that certain musical instruments are suitable only for secular music, you are saying that all musical instruments are not the same. Have some compassion, you evil Traditionalists! 
In seriousness,
the 1958 “Sacred Congregation of Rites” (along with many church documents relating to music, it seems) lists what is appropriate, but not what is not appropriate. The classic organ is listed (ruling out reed organs?), and then says that “some instruments are so associated with secular music” that they cannot be used. I am a cultural imperialist and believe everyone ought to use European modes of worship, so I don’t disagree; however, couldn’t they have given us any idea of what is not appropriate?
I find it very queer to walk into St. Thomas Aquinas’ parish on the second Sunday of each month. You’d hear the Introit, all Ordinaries, Communion antiphon, Postcommunion, and exit music all in Latin. Last weekend, for example, the introit was Sit nomen Domini, the Ordinaries were entirely Latin except for the Apostles’ Creed, the Psalm was in English, the Communion was Amen dico vobis, and the exit music was Salve Regina, intoned. The Gloria Patri was sung as the priest bowed to the altar! I say I find it queer because the other three Sundays of any given month are sung by the Senior Choir, and by the “youth band”.
One can imagine which of the three alternatives brings in the greatest congregation to participate in the Holy Mass.
In seriousness,
the 1958 “Sacred Congregation of Rites” (along with many church documents relating to music, it seems) lists what is appropriate, but not what is not appropriate. The classic organ is listed (ruling out reed organs?), and then says that “some instruments are so associated with secular music” that they cannot be used. I am a cultural imperialist and believe everyone ought to use European modes of worship, so I don’t disagree; however, couldn’t they have given us any idea of what is not appropriate?I find it very queer to walk into St. Thomas Aquinas’ parish on the second Sunday of each month. You’d hear the Introit, all Ordinaries, Communion antiphon, Postcommunion, and exit music all in Latin. Last weekend, for example, the introit was Sit nomen Domini, the Ordinaries were entirely Latin except for the Apostles’ Creed, the Psalm was in English, the Communion was Amen dico vobis, and the exit music was Salve Regina, intoned. The Gloria Patri was sung as the priest bowed to the altar! I say I find it queer because the other three Sundays of any given month are sung by the Senior Choir, and by the “youth band”.
One can imagine which of the three alternatives brings in the greatest congregation to participate in the Holy Mass.
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archangel04
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Lol I saw this a while back, and thoght about putting up this video, but I remember all those “sensitive” people who like to come to the traditional forum just to “teach & correct” us from our medieval way of thinking ja ja ja.
Oh oh i see the modernist and vernacular only people comming, I am out of here!
Oh oh i see the modernist and vernacular only people comming, I am out of here!
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corsair
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I’m very happy being “backward and medieval”. Plus I really don’t care what other more sensitive types think of me.
However, after being chastised by a moderator a while back, I try to be as charitable as possible.
Cheers
However, after being chastised by a moderator a while back, I try to be as charitable as possible.
Cheers
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CatholicFireman
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I was wondering that myself as I watched the video. I little more specific would help.
I think we’re allowed our opinion too.
Amen.
I’m kind of annoyed because it seems most of the mass’ in my two churches seem to be “folk” or contemporary music. Not my cup of tea, but I’m there for our Lord and the sacrifice of the mass… Pax†
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BubbaGump
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AMEN!!! Take those silly guitars, drums, and pianos out!!
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CatholicFireman
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Today is the feast day of St. Cecilia. Patron saint of music and musicians.
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corsair
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Speaking of which, I’m really bummed out. We were hoping to go to Holy Rosary in Portland, Oregon tonight for a Solemn High Mass in the Dominican Rite. Organist James O’Donnell was to perform selections from Anton Kodaly “Missa Brevis” and Cantores in Ecclesia was to sing the Mass.Today is the feast day of St. Cecilia. Patron saint of music and musicians.
But its snowing hard and its VERY icey so we are not going down.(98 miles each way)
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BubbaGump
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I am always impressed when I find people are willing to drive great distances for beauty and orthadoxy, I drive for 30 minutes and am “local” for our Holy Rosary.
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corsair
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When you live out “in the sticks” like me where even the closest OF Mass is 10.2 miles away and the Tridentine is 120 miles then you just try to budget for the extra gas and driving times. Winter does tend to make us a bit OF’ish. Now I have to drive down and pick up my wife at work. She forgot to take a lunch.
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archangel04
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Wow my drive is only 25 minutes and I thought that was bad ja ja. Although I don’ attend any, but Chicago has some amazing Churches and my TLMs.
Hey you guys notice something? No one has come to criticize this video or post, it’s a record!!! I am just kidding everyone, and they say traditionalist are too uptight and can’t be funny
Hey you guys notice something? No one has come to criticize this video or post, it’s a record!!! I am just kidding everyone, and they say traditionalist are too uptight and can’t be funny
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CatholicFireman
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LOL. I was hoping the only posters would be like-minded people. So far so good.
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xixxvmcm85
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Traditional music is old and antiquated.
Nobody understands Latin.
Gregorian Chant and Sacred Polyphony are too difficult for your average parish to learn.
This isn’t the Middle Ages anymore. Please join the 21st century!
I just so happen to love the guitar, and since I love it, it’s appropriate for Mass. I also love the tambourine, the maracas, the triangle, and the electric guitar. These should all be allowed pride of place in the liturgy.
Mass is about a communion feast at which we the believers come together at the table of love and companionship to celebrate our diversity. Take your Euro-centric nonsense to a KKK meeting, won’t ya!?
Nobody understands Latin.
Gregorian Chant and Sacred Polyphony are too difficult for your average parish to learn.
This isn’t the Middle Ages anymore. Please join the 21st century!
I just so happen to love the guitar, and since I love it, it’s appropriate for Mass. I also love the tambourine, the maracas, the triangle, and the electric guitar. These should all be allowed pride of place in the liturgy.
Mass is about a communion feast at which we the believers come together at the table of love and companionship to celebrate our diversity. Take your Euro-centric nonsense to a KKK meeting, won’t ya!?
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CatholicFireman
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And here, my friends, is our first breach in the wall.
That’s nice that you expressed your opinion. Now you can move on. Pax†
Oh, and by the way, I’m reporting you for that last remark.
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GloriousOrder
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I believe our friend was being sarcastic.
If not, let’s ask St. Cecilia to pray for him/her!Don’t you just sit in awe at the beauty of our simple chant? There is no rhythm to speak of, and no harmony but that which is suggested by the modal lines.
Consequently, no drum sets can be used to flesh out the beat, and guitars cannot be employed for a high-flying ‘feeling’. Even when Gregorian chant is intoned in the vulgar tongue of a region, it elevates the commonplace language to high, solemn, repentant heights.Can anyone hold to the position that this:
youtube.com/watch?v=KRUNhzVHmtQ
… creates a much more sacred space than this: youtube.com/watch?v=sqwV9l-U8ds ?
Acoustic guitars, “professional” pop singers (as Catholic as they may be), and hordes of unwashed laity simply cannot glorify God very well in one voice. The greatest glory given to God in music is through well-trained seminarian choirs, monks, friars, and dedicated schola cantora. The peasants in the pews ought to sit back in pure awe and joy, listening to a single, small group of men echo the powers of Heaven. The angels don’t strum guitars!
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KShaft
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Good luck with that CF. Im sure the mods will let it slide. However as soon as you chastise a heretical statement you are ‘uncharitable’.
Join the KKK. Wow. What are you 12 man? I know you have ADD and need to be entertained while going to your irreverent guitar mass, but let the adults have their conversation okay.
Because YOU like electric guitars, and tambourines they deserve a place of pride at the mass? Who the hell are you child? You wouldnt know music if Yo-Yo Ma dropped his cello on your head. Even the borderline heresy enabling Vatican II council states that Gregorian chant is akin to the official music of the Church and has a place of pride in it. Not a screeching electric guitar. Oh man heres where I really praise Jesus! Turn up the Vox and let loose the roll bar! Weeeoooweeeeooooweeeeee! I CANT HEAR YOU CHURCH!!!
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CatholicFireman
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Sarcastic or not, the reference to the KKK was way out of line and uncalled for. But, of course I will pray for him/her.
I’m with you on the Gregorian music/chant. Beyond words.
Pax†
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OraLabora
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I love it enough to spend a great deal of my spare time practicing it! I use it daily in the Liturgy of the Hours, sing in a small schola that does it in local parishes once a month, and attend Sunday Mass in an abbey that uses it daily for the Mass and Divine Office.I believe our friend was being sarcastic.
Don’t you just sit in awe at the beauty of our simple chant? There is no rhythm to speak of, and no harmony but that which is suggested by the modal lines.
Can anyone hold to the position that this:
youtube.com/watch?v=KRUNhzVHmtQ
… creates a much more sacred space than this: youtube.com/watch?v=sqwV9l-U8ds ?
Acoustic guitars, “professional” pop singers (as Catholic as they may be), and hordes of unwashed laity simply cannot glorify God very well in one voice. The greatest glory given to God in music is through well-trained seminarian choirs, monks, friars, and dedicated schola cantora. The peasants in the pews ought to sit back in pure awe and joy, listening to a single, small group of men echo the powers of Heaven. The angels don’t strum guitars!
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