Sacred Oral and Written Tradition

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Exactly. We don’t have all the answers (the list) because we have not yet received all the questions. Christ promises that we WILL BE guided “into all the truth” – He doesn’t say that “all the truth” is explicit in the Scriptures. It may be “in there” but we need the Holy Spirit to illuminate it according to the question being asked.

But I wouldn’t call it a “dead” document. I know what you mean: paper and ink cannot speak. The “book” is ‘dead’ but the WORD is definitely not dead. I am sure you agree.
I was just being provocative. How else to point out that scripture, while being essential, is not everything? Christ is the Word. He is superior to any and all scripture. Only the Holy Spirit can lead into all truth, but it must be through those to whom the leading was granted by Christ. That’s very, uh, biblical, so to speak.
 
No, were questioning your peculiar use od Jude and 1 Tim!

According to your logic, by these verses, the epistles of Jude and 1 Tim themselves are not part of the “faith that was once for all delivered to the saints” as the letters, as of their writing, hadn’t been delivered to the saints, and probably didn’t circulate through all the church for years afterward.
Further, the consensus of NT dating has the Gospel of John, John’s Epistles, and Revelation being written after Jude.
Further, neither Jude nor 1 Tim mention the mode of delivery, but we know it wasn’t all written, or all oral.
Bottom line, yes, a faith was once for all delivered, but the belief of a closed canon is not supported by Scripture, but by Tradition.
Ahh… maybe they received it orally before it was written?
 
Are you calling Jude a liar? God is infinite, but the deposit of faith is not.

Jude 1:3

Judgment on False Teachers
3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

1 Timothy 6:20

20 O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called “knowledge,”

Hey, how come Paul didn’t tell Peter to guard the deposit of faith?
Did you check the link I posted up-thread to the brief essay on development of doctrine by Bishop Bruskewitz? Then, of course, there is the classic Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine by Newman. But it’s a handful.
 
Are you calling Jude a liar? God is infinite, but the deposit of faith is not.
Your authority for making this pronouncement is?
3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.
Saints past, present and future. You note: “delivered” , not “written”, or “proclaimed”.
Hey, how come Paul didn’t tell Peter to guard the deposit of faith? Maybe Timothy was the first Pope?
Not serious. Paul did not have to. Peter was already guarding it. Paul, great as he is, went to Peter, not the other way around.
 
When is a sinner condemned according to Scripture, before or after they hear the gospel? Try John chapter 3.
I’m sorry that I don’t have time to look through this as I am invilved in caring for my DW. It makes it very difficult to concentrate on such matters. Others will have to address your very narrow and particular issue here.
What I do know and can repeat is that, if one hears the good news and rejects it, they remain in the flesh and the flesh is corrupt.
I think you are remembering the wrong event on October 31. Is the orginal celebration of All Saints Day created by the Roman Catholic Church?
In your post to which I responed you said “Remember October 31” Which I will. It is “All Hallows Eve”. The Eve of All Saints Day. That is sufficient to me to remember.

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James
 
Huh? I almost mistook this for a response. Sorry. Isn’t Hallowe’en Protestant, having its origins in the rejection of the Catholic communion of Saints. Isn’t that why it is the evening before all Saints day? Just asking here.
Wow. That question deserves its own thread! This could be fun.
 
Did you try to read John chapter 3 to find out when a person is condemned? Are sinners condemned before they hear the gospel or after?
Shall I direct you to the post where I stated I’ve read John 3 many times?
Really, it should be an easy question to answer, as you are your authority for your interpretation of Scripture:

What happens to a sinner when that sinner hears the gospel and rejects it?
Bump for Reformed
 
You need to start reading the Scripture for yourself. Check out the middle or so of John chapter 3.
For the third time, I have read it! I am asking for your interpretation, as you are the only authority for your interpretation.
You need to start answering for yourself.

What happens to a sinner when that sinner hears the gospel and rejects it?
 
I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

1 Timothy 6:20

20 O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called “knowledge,”
Couldn’t it be the case that the faith was delivered once and for all, but we’re told elsewhere that not everything will initially make sense or be easily understood, and that’s where the role of sacred tradition comes in.

And is it possible, just possible, that the catholic church got it right from the get go and that Luther, Calvin and all the others spread babble and contradictions and falsely called them knowledge?

It’s an honest question looking for charitable replies to further my understanding, not start a bar fight !!! (and apologies if the way I phrased the quesiton causes offence to anyone).
 
If Catholics were honest, you guys have difficulites even trying to interpert the Catechism
Oh we a liars if we say we understand our faith! Come back later and I’ll tell you all about you and what you really think!
 
I guess he’s just reported a fire at the reformed church.

I can no longer tell if this is a photoshop tutorial or an honest attempt to lead some soul to the truth.
Who started that flame of light at the Reformed Church, God or Satan?
 
Huh? I almost mistook this for a response. Sorry. Isn’t Hallowe’en Protestant, having its origins in the rejection of the Catholic communion of Saints. Isn’t that why it is the evening before all Saints day? Just asking here.
Halloween is All Hallows Eve, the eve of All Saints Day. Much like Christmas Eve, it did not start as a rejection of the holy day, but merely as a term for the evening before it (on which some celebrations presumably took place).

What Reformed is talking about is the fact that Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of Wittenberg Church on October 31 (of 1517, I believe). Protestants sometimes therefore observe October 31 as Reformation Day.

Usagi
 
Who started that flame of light at the Reformed Church, God or Satan?
God may well have given the reformers their initial inspiration to oppose corruption in the Church, but I don’t think He had anything to do with the splintering of Christianity that resulted.

Fortunately, some of those He raised up to fight evil did so while staying within the bounds of His Church.

Usagi
 
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