Sacred Oral and Written Tradition

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twb1621 said:
Going on? If you believe that Mary and all the apostles, saints, and martyrs are “dead”, your faith has no life either. All you have been doing is reading words, not “the Word”. We pray for you.:sad_yes:
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On what basis do you claim to know these saints are interacting with you when you pray to them?
 
justasking4 said:
On what basis do you claim to know these saints are interacting with you when you pray to them?
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We’re not necessarily interacting, we are asking them to pray for us and with us to the Lord our God, and they do. The Bible tells me so. 🙂
 
Pixie Dust;4374770]
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What do you mean by honor? I’m inspired by their writings and their the lives they lived but i give them no honor as if they are part of my life. The One Whom i serve and honor is the Lord Jesus.
Pixie Dust
Two years here on CAF and you still don’t get the very Biblical doctrine of the communion of saints?
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Got this definition from the Catholic ency where in this partial paragraph explains it—“The communion of saints is the spiritual solidarity which binds together the faithful on earth, the souls in purgatory, and the saints in heaven in the organic unity of the same mystical body under Christ its head, and in a constant interchange of supernatural offices.”

Where does it say in the Scriptures where the souls in purgatory are part of the mystical body of Christ? Is there a verse for this?

newadvent.org/cathen/04171a.htm
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Far more is going on than simple honor of Mary and the saints. One is that an ongoing relationship is part their lives between those who honor Mary and those here in this world. That kind of relationship is not taught in the Scriptures.
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Pixie Dust
You mean, you don’t interpret the Scriptures that way. It’s taught all right, and has always been taught by the earliest Christians, including those who penned the Scriptures.
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I’m confused. Where do the apostles in the writings of the NT say for example you are to have a relationship with Mary?
 
twb1621 said:
Originally Posted by justasking4 View Post
On what basis do you claim to know these saints are interacting with you when you pray to them?

twb1621
FAITH In the Word.
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Do you mean by Word are the Scriptures? If so, where in the Scriptures?
 
AshleyBelle said:
Originally Posted by justasking4 View Post
On what basis do you claim to know these saints are interacting with you when you pray to them?

AshleyBelle
On what basis do you claim to know that Christ can hear you when you pray to Him?
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There are a number of places in Scripture:

John 10: 27"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
John 16:
23"In that day you will not question Me about anything Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you.
24"Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be made full.

Hebrews 4:
14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.

15For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

16Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

I John 3:
21Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God;

22and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.
 
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Your not getting this from the meaning of the phrase. Rather you are reading into it Catholic doctrine and trying to make it mean something it does not.
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guanophore
The NT was written by, for, and about Catholics. We don’t need to “read into it”, because it already contains what Catholics believe.
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i wish this was true but its not. There is no mention of Mary’s assumption in the Scriptures and yet some will try to claim that it is…🤷
We understand what is written because we read it from the mindset of those who wrote it.
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What was the mindset of those who wrote it?
I don’t think it is possible for you to grasp this, being separated from the Apostolic Teaching as you are.
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Nonsense. Anyone if they want to can gain a good grasp of the Scriptures without being a Catholic… 👍
 
justasking4 said:
Got this definition from the Catholic ency where in this partial paragraph explains it—“The communion of saints is the spiritual solidarity which binds together the faithful on earth, the souls in purgatory, and the saints in heaven in the organic unity of the same mystical body under Christ its head, and in a constant interchange of supernatural offices.”

Where does it say in the Scriptures where the souls in purgatory are part of the mystical body of Christ? Is there a verse for this?

newadvent.org/cathen/04171a.htm
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Scripture tells us that there is only one Body of Christ, all those that are in Christ are members of this one Body, whether they are on earth, in Purgatory or in Heaven. There isn’t a separate Body for souls in Heaven, and another for souls on earth, and another for souls in Purgatory. Scripture is clear that there is ONE Body of Christ.
I’m confused. Where do the apostles in the writings of the NT say for example you are to have a relationship with Mary?
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The Scriptures tell me I do have a relationship with Mary, and so do you, if you keep the commandments of God.
 
justasking4 said:
Got this definition from the Catholic ency where in this partial paragraph explains it—“The communion of saints is the spiritual solidarity which binds together the faithful on earth, the souls in purgatory, and the saints in heaven in the organic unity of the same mystical body under Christ its head, and in a constant interchange of supernatural offices.”

Where does it say in the Scriptures where the souls in purgatory are part of the mystical body of Christ? Is there a verse for this?

newadvent.org/cathen/04171a.htm
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Would you concur that the souls in Heaven are part of the mystical body of Christ? If so, then the souls in Purgatory are also part of the mystical body of Christ since they are saved.

Perhaps your ecclesiology has the Church stop short here on earth. Catholic and Orthodox ecclesiology see the Church as the entire company of the saints both in this world and the next.
I’m confused. Where do the apostles in the writings of the NT say for example you are to have a relationship with Mary?
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John 19. The theology of the relationship of the Church with Mary emerges more fully in the wake of the ecumenical councils defining the Person of Jesus Christ.
 
justasking4 said:
On what basis do you claim to know these saints are interacting with you when you pray to them?
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Divine Revelation. 👍
justasking4 said:
Got this definition from the Catholic ency where in this partial paragraph explains it—“The communion of saints is the spiritual solidarity which binds together the faithful on earth, the souls in purgatory, and the saints in heaven in the organic unity of the same mystical body under Christ its head, and in a constant interchange of supernatural offices.”

Where does it say in the Scriptures where the souls in purgatory are part of the mystical body of Christ? Is there a verse for this?

newadvent.org/cathen/04171a.htm
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Where does it say in the Scripture that everything that Jesus said and taught is in the Scripture? Is there a verse for this?
justasking4 said:
I’m confused.
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This much is blatantly evident.

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justasking4 said:
Where do the apostles in the writings of the NT say for example you are to have a relationship with Mary?
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Where do the apostles in the writings of the NT say, for example, you have to stop being connected to members of the immutible Body of Christ because some have gone home to be with the Lord?

Where does it say we should no longer relate to Him, or to Moses, or Elijah, since they are in heaven?

I don’t understand, can you clarify?
justasking4 said:
Do you mean by Word are the Scriptures? If so, where in the Scriptures?
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Those who have received the Apostolic faith understand that the Word of God is Jesus Himself, and He is not confined to the Scriptures.
justasking4 said:
i wish this was true but its not. There is no mention of Mary’s assumption in the Scriptures and yet some will try to claim that it is…🤷
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What I said was that the Bible is a Catholic book, written by, for and about Catholics. There is no need to “read into” it Catholic doctrines, since it was produced by them, and contains them.
justasking4 said:
What was the mindset of those who wrote it?
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This cannot be apprehended by a person who does not believe it exists. 🤷

This is like asking me “how can I get to the moon” when you refuse to accept that there are ways to get there.
justasking4 said:
Nonsense. Anyone if they want to can gain a good grasp of the Scriptures without being a Catholic… 👍
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No, ja4, not all of the Apostolic teaching is in the scriptures, but if you believe it is,then it will not be possible for you to learn otherwise. One cannot apprehend something one does not believe exists.
 
justasking4 said:
Can you give me a couple of specific examples of Tradition that is not in the Scriptures? Something like a teaching?
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Its all in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and its been provided to you for some time now. Its still available to you.
 
justasking4 said:
Can you give me a couple of specific examples of Tradition that is not in the Scriptures? Something like a teaching?
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Everyone has been there and done that with you JA4! Give up the games. They are all laughing behind your back and it makes me angry. You are playing mind games and they misunderstand. Some of the actually think you are just forgetful, some say hateful, I rather think of you as Playful! Some even said you were full but the TOS prohibit me of tell you of what!
the Apostles’ Creed :Contains a brief summary of their teachings
 
justasking4 said:
Can you give me a couple of specific examples of Tradition that is not in the Scriptures? Something like a teaching?
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I think the time has come you refer yourself to the on line Catechism to answer your questions if you want the answers and stop playing with people who actually cared enough to try and help you. You are now in a position that if you are truly interested you will research the CCC on your own to get your answers or you will prove yourself to be thoughtless and careless only playing games in regard to all your previous posts.
 
twb1621 said:
Originally Posted by justasking4 View Post
Can you give me a couple of specific examples of Tradition that is not in the Scriptures? Something like a teaching?

twb1621
Its all in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and its been provided to you for some time now. Its still available to you.
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Why don’t you give me an example out of the catechism that says something to the effect that it is a Tradition that is not found in Scripture? Secondly for this Tradition to be equal to the inspired-inerrant Scriptures it to must be inspired-inerrant.
 
justasking4 said:
Can you give me a couple of specific examples of Tradition that is not in the Scriptures? Something like a teaching?
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Again,I think the time has come you refer yourself to the on line Catechism to answer your questions if you want the answers and stop playing with people who actually cared enough to try and help you. The answers are there and you can read every single one at your own pace. You are now in a position that if you are truly interested you will research the CCC on your own to get your answers or you will prove yourself to be thoughtless and careless only playing games in regard to all your previous posts.
 
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